English (and other British lower league) Football Discussion
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson is loaned out to Wolverhampton for the season. Should be good for the young lad; he'll probably do well there.
✍️ Wolves are delighted to welcome Cameron Borthwick-Jackson and @OLAJOHNO on loan from @ManUtd and @SLBenfica respectively.
— Wolves (@OfficialWolves) August 22, 2016
Just got this off Facebook.....
Saw about 70 minutes of the game this morning.
My opinion on Pogba is unchanged.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Saw about 70 minutes of the game this morning.
My opinion on Pogba is unchanged.
Bang average.
Three for me, and two for them.
In his defense - pretty hard for a player like Pogba to look good with ten men in between him and the goal at all times.
Needless to say he's had one pretty good game and one where everyone was fairly average.
My biggest fear right now is that Ibra will prevent Rashford from getting game time. That kid's dribbling is something
In his defense - pretty hard for a player like Pogba to look good with ten men in between him and the goal at all times.
Needless to say he's had one pretty good game and one where everyone was fairly average.
My biggest fear right now is that Ibra will prevent Rashford from getting game time. That kid's dribbling is something
All credit to Hull and their Manager for a good result for them. They were well organised and if he gets the full time job I think they will surprise a few clubs.
We need to drop Fellaini, Mata and Martial for Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Schneiderlin .
All the comments to drop Rooney are wishful thinking at the moment, and as for Pobga, he may not be the best midfield player in the world or in the EPL, but he is the best one at Utd.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
And the most expensive.
I read that Wilf Zaha has a buyback of just 3 million - I'd buy him back in an instant, good player.....as long as Moyes' daughter has moved to Sunderland.....
And the most expensive.
only 19.6% of forecasted total revenue for the year. Bolasie cost Everton 24% of their total revenue.
and given that Pogba is closer to world class than potential and his shirt sales will recoup half the fee this season, its an easy business decision too.
money is of least concern.
(at a societal level mid you, the money in football is astronomical)
The amounts Tekkers that you talk about have more zeros on the end that you or I could ever envision. Kinda scarey in a way.
And the most expensive.
only 19.6% of forecasted total revenue for the year. Bolasie cost Everton 24% of their total revenue.
and given that Pogba is closer to world class than potential and his shirt sales will recoup half the fee this season, its an easy business decision too.
money is of least concern.
(at a societal level mid you, the money in football is astronomical)
I've got zero love and loads of hate for United, but I'm not sure why we hassle teams for paying top dollar for players. If the club believes they can afford it and that the player will add both playing and commercial value to the club, why not? We can then all go ahead a laugh later IF they are a flop (yes...Carroll) but until then, what's the big deal? I'd rather have players like that in the Prem than other leagues.
"...sure beats doin' stuff."
Not just Carroll, but a certain Spanish striker - Torres springs to mind. Tony Daley was another
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
The transfer window is part of the show for me. It's like the Weigh-in before a big boxing bout or a curtain raiser - the economics, the fighting for players, the will-he, won't-he is all part of the 3 ring circus. United are on the trapeze without a net at the moment - it's exciting, thrilling but you kind of want to see someone fall as well. (Edit: I don't really want to see a circus performer fall but you get my point...)
"...sure beats doin' stuff."
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
That price as a proportion of revenue was about the same as Rooney's transfer just over a decade ago. It won't stand for long. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37045474
It is a bit early, less than a month and 2 games in to say with any certainty how the rest of his time at Utd will pan out (though his performances have not been bad https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/... ). Di Maria had an excellent start to his Utd career and that faded away.
All credit to Hull and their Manager for a good result for them. They were well organised and if he gets the full time job I think they will surprise a few clubs.
We need to drop Fellaini, Mata and Martial for Mkhitaryan, Rashford and Schneiderlin .
All the comments to drop Rooney are wishful thinking at the moment, and as for Pobga, he may not be the best midfield player in the world or in the EPL, but he is the best one at Utd.
i dont think i have ever done this before. But I completely agree with your observations Leg. Fellaini is too predictable, Mata can't see the players he is trying to connect with and i forgot martial was playing.
Now if you excuse me, i need to go have a shower.
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
That price as a proportion of revenue was about the same as Rooney's transfer just over a decade ago. It won't stand for long. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37045474
It is a bit early, less than a month and 2 games in to say with any certainty how the rest of his time at Utd will pan out (though his performances have not been bad https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/... ). Di Maria had an excellent start to his Utd career and that faded away.
The revenue thing is a valid point, but it's only relative to previous Man Utd transfers not to the market as a whole. He's still the most expensive player ever transferred between two sides.
As an aside, does anyone actually know how whoscored.com come up with their ratings? Does anyone really believe that based on statistics alone you can rate a player's performance in one match to a percentage-point level of accuracy? "Oh yeah, that was a 7.83 level performance that game. If he'd made one more pass in a forwards direction in the final third then it would have been a 7.84 though"
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
That price as a proportion of revenue was about the same as Rooney's transfer just over a decade ago. It won't stand for long. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37045474
It is a bit early, less than a month and 2 games in to say with any certainty how the rest of his time at Utd will pan out (though his performances have not been bad https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/... ). Di Maria had an excellent start to his Utd career and that faded away.
The revenue thing is a valid point, but it's only relative to previous Man Utd transfers not to the market as a whole. He's still the most expensive player ever transferred between two sides.
As an aside, does anyone actually know how whoscored.com come up with their ratings? Does anyone really believe that based on statistics alone you can rate a player's performance in one match to a percentage-point level of accuracy? "Oh yeah, that was a 7.83 level performance that game. If he'd made one more pass in a forwards direction in the final third then it would have been a 7.84 though"
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
There are other sites, like Squawka http://www.squawka.com/about-us, that try to bring a level of objectivity to the footballing debate
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
That price as a proportion of revenue was about the same as Rooney's transfer just over a decade ago. It won't stand for long. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37045474
It is a bit early, less than a month and 2 games in to say with any certainty how the rest of his time at Utd will pan out (though his performances have not been bad https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/... ). Di Maria had an excellent start to his Utd career and that faded away.
The revenue thing is a valid point, but it's only relative to previous Man Utd transfers not to the market as a whole. He's still the most expensive player ever transferred between two sides.
As an aside, does anyone actually know how whoscored.com come up with their ratings? Does anyone really believe that based on statistics alone you can rate a player's performance in one match to a percentage-point level of accuracy? "Oh yeah, that was a 7.83 level performance that game. If he'd made one more pass in a forwards direction in the final third then it would have been a 7.84 though"
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
There are other sites, like Squawka http://www.squawka.com/about-us, that try to bring a level of objectivity to the footballing debate
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I guess the thing with Pogba's value is that it is a world record, and easily the most expensive midfielder. The expectation that generates is that he should be world class right now, even accounting for the fact that a handful of top players would just not be for sale for any price. Is he really worth that much more than Kante, Xhaka, or Gundogan, just to pick 3 other mids who all went for less than half his price in the current window? In footballing terms alone I would say no, but from a marketing/business perspective then maybe. The idea of the world's most expensive player being worth it for business, not football reasons inevitably leaves a bit of a bitter taste behind.
That price as a proportion of revenue was about the same as Rooney's transfer just over a decade ago. It won't stand for long. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37045474
It is a bit early, less than a month and 2 games in to say with any certainty how the rest of his time at Utd will pan out (though his performances have not been bad https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/... ). Di Maria had an excellent start to his Utd career and that faded away.
The revenue thing is a valid point, but it's only relative to previous Man Utd transfers not to the market as a whole. He's still the most expensive player ever transferred between two sides.
As an aside, does anyone actually know how whoscored.com come up with their ratings? Does anyone really believe that based on statistics alone you can rate a player's performance in one match to a percentage-point level of accuracy? "Oh yeah, that was a 7.83 level performance that game. If he'd made one more pass in a forwards direction in the final third then it would have been a 7.84 though"
https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations
There are other sites, like Squawka http://www.squawka.com/about-us, that try to bring a level of objectivity to the footballing debate
http://theconversation.com/big-datas-streetlight-e...
That's true, though because they don't operate in a vacuum they should be able to benchmark their results against other data analysis sites and things like player of the season results etc. If their results are too far off then it would have little credibility.
Agreed. I don't have a problem with them doing stats based player ratings, I just think they're kidding themselves if they think any such system is accurate enough to make the second decimal point meaningful. Even a system which distinguishes between say a 7.5 performance and a 7.6 is taking it a bit far for me
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
The amounts Tekkers that you talk about have more zeros on the end that you or I could ever envision. Kinda scarey in a way.
Imagine if every player and club took a zero off the end and put it to a good cause - like feeding those in poverty or giving them clean water.
Everything would still be in proportion but the world would be better off...
And the most expensive.
only 19.6% of forecasted total revenue for the year. Bolasie cost Everton 24% of their total revenue.
and given that Pogba is closer to world class than potential and his shirt sales will recoup half the fee this season, its an easy business decision too.
money is of least concern.
(at a societal level mid you, the money in football is astronomical)
I've got zero love and loads of hate for United, but I'm not sure why we hassle teams for paying top dollar for players. If the club believes they can afford it and that the player will add both playing and commercial value to the club, why not? We can then all go ahead a laugh later IF they are a flop (yes...Carroll) but until then, what's the big deal? I'd rather have players like that in the Prem than other leagues.
The transfer market is just like any other market in terms of supply and demand - if someone is only supplying a player for $50 million and you want the player then you have to $50 million.
Pogba was worth $100 mil to Juventus so that was the going rate. Nothing United could do about it - if they wanted him. And when there is more money in the market, prices go up. When good players are few and far between, prices go up. Pretty simple
Also, Fellaini has had three games in a row which have been an improvement on all his games (as a number 6) than all his games for United in three seasons. Lets give him some credit.
Mata and Martial have gone missing but Mourinho has not done his wingers any service in his recent seasons. It is because of the defensive responsibilities he gives them.
Tekkers apparently the shirt sales recouping transfer feesb thing is a load of rubbish
https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths?CMP=fb_a-football_b-gdnfootball
Tekkers apparently the shirt sales recouping transfer feesb thing is a load of rubbish
https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-piece...
Really interesting article - shows how important the length of the contract is to the 'cost' of the player to the club.
What. An. Article.
Piece of gold there energy247, thanks for that, really does change how I view the costs of a transfer.
This could be interesting.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
If Griezmann played for United he'd tear apart the Premier League.
Managed to record a classic match on beIN this evening - United vs City from 2009/10. The game that saw Michael Owen write his name in United folklore. Owen's stoppage time goal was criticised by everyone and blue and plenty of other bitter fans alike. Screams of Fergie time and United conspiracies lined the media. However, I remember watching an analysis at the time that found that, once you accounted for Craig Bellamy's 2 or 3 minute celebration the ref played the exact (within a few seconds) amount of stoppage time he said he would.
What a game.
Even as an Arsenal fan; I remember that game. Was terrific.
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Managed to record a classic match on beIN this evening - United vs City from 2009/10. The game that saw Michael Owen write his name in United folklore. Owen's stoppage time goal was criticised by everyone and blue and plenty of other bitter fans alike. Screams of Fergie time and United conspiracies lined the media. However, I remember watching an analysis at the time that found that, once you accounted for Craig Bellamy's 2 or 3 minute celebration the ref played the exact (within a few seconds) amount of stoppage time he said he would.
What a game.
Certainly better than when our arses got handed to us on a silver platter by City a few years back
That game has also featured in the last week on BeIN, I enjoyed that too ;)
That game has also featured in the last week on BeIN, I enjoyed that too ;)
Haha - fair enough :) Bet you haven't watched the 8-2 match yet haha
I don't have BeIN (we gave up Sky when our little on was born to save moolah), but before the dark times I used to record the MUTV that was on the Sports channels, and they'd often have little docos on. I know ArsenalTV did too (they were probably better quality ones than the MUTV ones if I'm honest), and I'm sure the other club channels also had their own little docos. Do BeIN have the same, or is it all games/reviews/previews/analysis?
As a life long Man City fan I detest Man United. As a Life Long Chelsea fan I detest Man United. As a life long Man United fan I errrr love United I think. What do you others think and I will think it too.
Seriously though guys, thqt was a good test and now United and the new signings know exactly what to expect. I think this is actually a good thing for United. They wont make the same mistake twice. Not this season with such a decent squad.