What's Utting said?
Was in an article last year commenting on Hudson (unhappy), has he said something since?
Anthony Hudson (FAT Technical Director | Thailand)
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I'm not sure if that was deliberate or not considering this is a football forum and we are a small group of supporters.
More a reflection on the disparate views driven (understandably) by everyone's relative situation and/or experience.
When an organisation or community has a lack of leadership and vision (and therefore strategy), progress is naturally inhibited. This is the case in NZF (both as an organisation and a community). I believe Hudson came in to develop and implement a strategy but hasn't received the support he probably believed he would get (again, from both org and comm). In some ways this is due to the variation in player development pathway/s, but it's also enhanced by people having an unrealistic view (globally) of their own ability and/or importance - or delusion if you will (which he did lol).
It's (likely) a conscious move to shock the system (again, both org and comm) and will result in one of two outcomes. Either; there is a realisation that the game needs to lift (so to speak) and plans are implemented to do just that (fixtures, pathways, management, players, etc)... or; the heads remain in the sand and Hudson walks (or is pushed), the status quo remains - and our performance and development continues to go nowhere.
Meanwhile, the various interests/factions raise their defences to repel any attacks (real or perceived), stones are thrown by all and sundry believing attack is the best form of defence, and the NZF (org) leadership are at the beach.
Shambles.
So other than the fact that Martin is on holiday, is he deliberately burying his head in the sand. Hudson said yesterday he had spoken to Martin so why is no one out there discussing this from a national body point of view.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Right I get you now. On point I think.
He's obviously within phone reception (not on mars) so surely at a minimum - he can get on the blower to NZF's comms team and record a statement saying... something, anything... acknowledging Hudson's comments and sacking him with immediate effect (jokes) or, saying they will investigate these issues and identify how they can be rectified... or, it's all too hard, stiff cheese, and if AH doesn't like it then he may as well move on.So other than the fact that Martin is on holiday, is he deliberately burying his head in the sand. Hudson said yesterday he had spoken to Martin so why is no one out there discussing this from a national body point of view.
E + R + O
Anyone know how much annual leave this Martin chap gets a year?
Auckland will rise once more
We are all just a bit Hangry for some games at the Mo'.
When NZF get the NZA, Fiji and Auckland City games lined up for the All Whites we will all feel better.
Hudson reckons Korea are keen for a re-match - now there is a polite society - "we would love to play you again", pisst - Tui bottle opening.
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
We are all just a bit Hangry for some games at the Mo'.
When NZF get the NZA, Fiji and Auckland City games lined up for the All Whites we will all feel better.
Hudson reckons Korea are keen for a re-match - now there is a polite society - "we would love to play you again", pisst - Tui bottle opening.
Asian cup finalists- yes please! They must expect to smash us...
What's Utting said?
Was in an article last year commenting on Hudson (unhappy), has he said something since?
"I like to see people who stand up and call a spade a spade and saying what he honestly thinks rather than someone hiding behind either a pay package or a New Zealand soccer tracksuit," Utting said. He says the sense of entitlement among up and coming Kiwi players is endemic among the whole generation, not only in football - sentiments echoed by former All Whites defender Sam Malcolmson.
However, Utting believes the players' biggest problem is the quality of coaching they receive from a young age and that's where he wants NZF focus their efforts. "The coaches in New Zealand are not coached. They think they know what they're doing but they don't have a clue. "Don't get me wrong, they've got wonderful intentions with the kids. But the harsh reality is that it's not as good as the coaching you'd get in other places in the world. So we've got to coach the coaches first and the players will naturally progress.
"The Wynton Rufers, Ryan Nelsen and Winston Reids are the people that will come through because they push themselves but they all had decent coaches along the way."
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Triboulix (or what ever his name is) said in the news somewhere, that he is a bit concerned before his the first game after the x mas break because they had only one training on Friday.
You also chuckled about this guy:
Headline: Kiwi-born English youth coach Sam Wilkinson says talent gap isn't great.
And then a bit down:
Now planning to settle back in New Zealand for family and lifestyle reasons...
Hudson is right.
Headline: Kiwi-born English youth coach Sam Wilkinson says talent gap isn't great.
Nice article.
He makes some good points.
A fan is a fan.
Re the eligibility saga, god I'd hope even the penny pinching NZF wouldn't make it part of Hudson's job description to check passport entry stamps & FIFA rules. Some desk jockey at NZF stuffed up, and they should have been sacked plain simple.
What's interesting is that recent Former players (with nothing to gain) like Durante & Siggy have basically supported him, and old stodgers like Falloon not.
If Andrew & Ben are saying he's a good coach, and unlike any of us have spent time on the training paddock with the man - that's good enough for me.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/75834653/phoenix-captain-andrew-durante-applauds-all-whites-coach-anthony-hudsons-stance
Sam Wilkinson?!?!?!?! Don't make me laugh.
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
Sam Wilkinson?!?!?!?! Don't make me laugh.
Until he does something, it means fudge all.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
I'm not convinced it would be wise to bring Edge and Rufer into the formal NZF development parthway where contact time is often less and where there are more financial contraints.
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
You know Thomas is Declan's project just FYI.
A fan is a fan.
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
I'm not convinced it would be wise to bring Edge and Rufer into the formal NZF development parthway where contact time is often less and where there are more financial contraints.
They'd make things more interesting tho.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Academies are generally funded by fees/parents are they not? I agree they would prob be a better financial position to coach in them than with NZF whom in my (and others) opinion seem to be incompetent in most operational regards and busy writing checks for washed up semi pro All Whites old boys.
Hi Jeff,
Landing full-time coaching jobs with an English football league club is something few Kiwis have managed.
I reckon that's pretty worthy.
Sam could be pretty frustrating as a player, but to his credit he also had many years of youth coaching under his belt from a young age, having taken school and club youth teams here in the Waikato since he was almost a kid himself (and for those who want to make fun, he was also the kid in the Dad's N Lads coaching videos from the mid-90s).
Several lads who later went to Declan Edge had previously been with him, not that there is any relationship between the two.
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
Yes spot on Napier there are those on here who cannot even acknowledge Wynton for the great player that he was which I find incredibly sad
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
You know Thomas is Declan's project just FYI.
Hi Jeff,
Landing full-time coaching jobs with an English football league club is something few Kiwis have managed.
I reckon that's pretty worthy.
Sam could be pretty frustrating as a player, but to his credit he also had many years of youth coaching under his belt from a young age, having taken school and club youth teams here in the Waikato since he was almost a kid himself (and for those who want to make fun, he was also the kid in the Dad's N Lads coaching videos from the mid-90s).
Several lads who later went to Declan Edge had previously been with him, not that there is any relationship between the two.
I don't know him, but he is commenting on 'laid back attitude' and saying no a big gap between NZ and English youth development. Now he's coming back for lifestyle reasons instead of getting a better gig in England? He is clearly job hunting with a England pimped CV.
Fun fact is, England football identified by them self in failure to produce enough good coaches for youth development and that why the Premier League is full of foreigners and the National team pretty much never delivers.
He also has tweet opinion on defending:
Every time I watch Jerome Boateng, I cringe at how bad his defending is! He's so lucky Bayern have the ball for 95% of most games.
I'm not quite sure what your point is No 8 (my reading lets me down sometimes).
But I think Sam has already got a job.
I wouldn't go back to the UK because I like living here for 'lifestyle reasons'. It's a far better place to raise a family, a far less stressful place to live than the UK and I enjoy a better life here than I would back home. I don't see why that should be used as a stick to beat someone with?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
I wouldn't go back to the UK because I like living here for 'lifestyle reasons'. It's a far better place to raise a family, a far less stressful place to live than the UK and I enjoy a better life here than I would back home. I don't see why that should be used as a stick to beat someone with?
"Too soft for Glasgow, you're too soft for Glasgow..."
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I wouldn't go back to the UK because I like living here for 'lifestyle reasons'. It's a far better place to raise a family, a far less stressful place to live than the UK and I enjoy a better life here than I would back home. I don't see why that should be used as a stick to beat someone with?
"Too soft for Glasgow, you're too soft for Glasgow..."
Just rather not live in a sharkhole!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
I'm not convinced it would be wise to bring Edge and Rufer into the formal NZF development parthway where contact time is often less and where there are more financial contraints.
They'd make things more interesting tho.
They are successful, in part, because they are outliers by nature. I cannot believe either would seriously consider a job with the establishment. Equally, NZF is not ready for either of them.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
I wouldn't go back to the UK because I like living here for 'lifestyle reasons'. It's a far better place to raise a family, a far less stressful place to live than the UK and I enjoy a better life here than I would back home. I don't see why that should be used as a stick to beat someone with?
I totally agree with you, it is a personal decision. The point is, if you want to be a pro footballer you have to work hard on yourself, living abroad from your family and friends, no job security etc. Hudson is not even talking about that, he says some work ethic is bad, because young prospects taking a few weeks instead on working on their fitness and going to KFC instead watching out what they eat.
Just back from a holiday in Fiji and caught up with the Hudson saga, agree with Fallon this man needs to go not every young kid can get a gig in the UK or a pro deal anywhere else for that matter so where do the young kids go at this time of the year to the beach with mummy and daddy. Its his choice to pick these players rather than pros and others that have been there and done that and what do you expect Danny Hay to say he's so far up Hudson arse.It will be interesting to hear from Martin though, he can not keep protecting him. Hudson should of done his homework before taking the job.
Interesting comments from the ex-CEO
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/758...
Seems NZF's decision to let Glyn Taylor was a stuff up on more than one front.
Glading said he was criticised for having Riki Herbert coach the All Whites and Wellington Phoenix at the same time but for many reasons it made sense.
Double up again? Yay or nay?
So what happens? We get more games?
Judging Hudson on his results so far- piss poor.
But it seems the reaction to the eligibility thing so far hasn't been good enough. If we can get a game against Korea we should be grabbing it.
A game at home too would be good...
I see Ryan Thomas has also come out in support. He reckons the likes of Wynton and Declan need to be involved with NZF because they know what is required to make pro footballers and have the track record to back it up.
Now, almost without exception, those posting in this forum over the years about Wynton and/or Declan have been scathing about them, in what they do and how they do it. I've spoken to both of these guys and they are a little off the wall, admittedly, but both are extremely driven and get results. So, many of you probably harbour the same sort of prejudice or malaise that many of you accuse NZF of having.
I'm not convinced it would be wise to bring Edge and Rufer into the formal NZF development parthway where contact time is often less and where there are more financial contraints.
They'd make things more interesting tho.
They are successful, in part, because they are outliers by nature. I cannot believe either would seriously consider a job with the establishment. Equally, NZF is not ready for either of them.
Is NZF ready for anyone?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
I thought Martin's response was good.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/759...
Its not a media back and forth bitch fight. He's come out in the media and supported the head coach.