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AW v Defending Champs June 21 @ 2am SS2,

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
AJ13 wrote:
ForteanTimes wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
I refuse to acknowledge 'falling over and crying like a f**king pussy' a valid game plan. Its taking the lazy way around things. The only thing more ridiculous is the fact that the referee couldnt see through it. I wouldnt get away with this sort of sh*t in Capital 1...


Then you've not watched much International Italian football.

I've just checked the BBC match report and apparently Lippi identified NZ's aerial ability as the biggest threat. They tried to neutralize that threat by frustrating the AW's, with challenges that would provoke a negative response. The way that Ref was waving his card around I amazed NZ never had anyone sent off. If NZ had lost a player that way they would have been really stretched.

I'm not saying it was his entire game plan, but part of any game plan is to neutralize the opposition's attacking players, frustrate the opposition's plan. Italy have long used methods such as they did this morning. What they see as gaining an angle others see it as dirty/unsportsman-like behaviour.

Oh yeah I know Italian football all too well, I cant stand it (as mentioned in other threads, ie. Champions League final thread)

Yes, but how do FIFA see this? When they declare that theyre stamping out diving and advising refs to get tougher, and if Italy are well known for this... why are we still seeing it? And how far does it have to go?? Do we have to wait until someone loses the World Cup Final because of a dive, and have the entire world condemning the credibility of the game first?
And how hard is it for the ref to realise that when a player falls down holding his face in utter agony as though hes just been dealt a blow by Tyson, then only to arise seconds later fully recovered, that hes full of sh*t? Seriously??? I saw Blatter in the crowd, I wonder what he thought of it?


To be fair I don't think Blatter gives a sh*t unless the money stops rolling in. I always suspect he was contemptuous of the average football fan.

Despite what football bodies say, they never really try to manage cheating, they talk the talk but never walk the walk.

Why should they when you have a lot of countries/people who see a dive as a fair tactic to use in a match?

In England we moan about divers but if we see a defender giving an opponent "a bit of a tap'/completely illegal challenge "just so he knows I'm here" is still welcomed by a lot of fans, what's the difference?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
He wouldve been slutted before. But you said he'd be slutted now. In the context that he doesnt like the fact Paston played well as it now means he cant play.
 
Im sure currently,he'd be loving the fact we're doing so well. But yes still disappointed at not playing,I doubt he wouldve started anyway (but thats a different debate).
 
He has had time to come to terms with not playing,so am sure he is as stoked as the rest of the squad currently.
 
Wow you really try reading into things that aren't there.
 
You've missed my point about also. Never mind.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
C'mon guys we just drew with italy. stop bitching and enjoy the moment
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K_Town wrote:
Tegal wrote:
He wouldve been slutted before. But you said he'd be slutted now. In the context that he doesnt like the fact Paston played well as it now means he cant play.
 
Im sure currently,he'd be loving the fact we're doing so well. But yes still disappointed at not playing,I doubt he wouldve started anyway (but thats a different debate).
 
He has had time to come to terms with not playing,so am sure he is as stoked as the rest of the squad currently.
 
Wow you really try reading into things that aren't there.
 
You've missed my point about also. Never mind.
 Its a gift.
 

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For the record:
 
My brother is watching the replay of the game. The penalty came up,ball got crossed over and went out,it was so innocent that he fastforwarded through it then wondered wher the yellow card came from.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
just saw an excellent piece on the All Whites surprising result on CNN... and now BBC Sports are doing it too. Go the Kiwis!!!
btw, 6.40am -ish, huge on TV One for breakfast.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Yes, but how do FIFA see this? When they declare that theyre stamping out diving and advising refs to get tougher, and if Italy are well known for this... why are we still seeing it? And how far does it have to go?? Do we have to wait until someone loses the World Cup Final because of a dive, and have the entire world condemning the credibility of the game first?
And how hard is it for the ref to realise that when a player falls down holding his face in utter agony as though hes just been dealt a blow by Tyson, then only to arise seconds later fully recovered, that hes full of sh*t? Seriously??? I saw Blatter in the crowd, I wonder what he thought of it?


To be fair I don't think Blatter gives a sh*t unless the money stops rolling in. I always suspect he was contemptuous of the average football fan.

Despite what football bodies say, they never really try to manage cheating, they talk the talk but never walk the walk.

Why should they when you have a lot of countries/people who see a dive as a fair tactic to use in a match?

In England we moan about divers but if we see a defender giving an opponent "a bit of a tap'/completely illegal challenge "just so he knows I'm here" is still welcomed by a lot of fans, what's the difference?

Fair call. Im just a little distraught coming to terms with the loss of a potential win here. Emotions are high... radi rah... had too much V Isokinetic in an attempt to remain awake... rar rar

Ah well, Im stoked. i'll just continue to hate Italy for all eternity
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We should be lucky. In 2006 an Italian took a dive which sent Australia out of the World Cup.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That could send us out

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
RedGed wrote:
just saw an excellent piece on the All Whites surprising result on CNN... and now BBC Sports are doing it too. Go the Kiwis!!!
btw, 6.40am -ish, huge on TV One for breakfast.
Thanks for the heads up RedGed, that was good to watch. Noah Hickey coming on next.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Anyone think New Zealand's goal was a mile offside?
 
 
 
 
 
I'll get my coat.......
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scoop wrote:
Would Barron be the only non-professional to play at the world cup?

Nope, Vicelich. And there are a few unattached players. And nobody knows about the North Koreans.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
avid wrote:
Anyone think New Zealand's goal was a mile offside?
 
 
 
 
 
I'll get my coat.......
I looked at it again and it missed Winstons head as well as the defenders so no not offside.
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avid wrote:
Anyone think New Zealand's goal was a mile offside?
 
 
 
 
 
I'll get my coat.......
On slow motion it did just touch Reids head but if an official put a flag up he'd have been lying if he said he saw it, it was that slight.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Emotional again! Final whistle just went

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yomcat wrote:
scoop wrote:
Would Barron be the only non-professional to play at the world cup?

Nope, Vicelich. And there are a few unattached players. And nobody knows about the North Koreans.
Clapham, Bannatyne, Elliot...

edit - Elliot being unattached rather than non-pro.
timmymadden2010-06-21 07:02:34
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Killen

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Quite simply our Pizza de resistance..

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
timmymadden wrote:
avid wrote:
Anyone think New Zealand's goal was a mile offside?
 
 
 
 
 
I'll get my coat.......
On slow motion it did just touch Reids head but if an official put a flag up he'd have been lying if he said he saw it, it was that slight.

Ive seen the replay in slow mo about 10 times, and i couldnt see even the slightest hint of a touch from Wiremu. No deviation in the flight of the balls path at all.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
timmymadden wrote:
yomcat wrote:
scoop wrote:
Would Barron be the only non-professional to play at the world cup?

Nope, Vicelich. And there are a few unattached players. And nobody knows about the North Koreans.
Clapham, Bannatyne, Elliot...

edit - Elliot being unattached rather than non-pro.

Koren (Slovenias captain) is also unattached, released from West Brom.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Either way,I dont see how its been reported everywhere as a blatantly offside goal...Getting a bit sick of reading that the penalty was ok but NZ goal was offside


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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The only way anyone could prove with actual evidence that our goal was offside would be to use a Snickometer like they do in cricket (measures sound waves to identify contact with the ball). Otherwise tough titties, the goal stands.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interesting paragraph in the SMH which if true is poor form from our newspapers:
"Kiwi newspaper editors, hungry for scuttlebut have been asking their reporters for any dirt on Ricky Herbert's team. The most that could be supplied was that Shane Smeltz and midfieler Tim Brown were sharing a room and that neat-freak Smeltz was annoyed at Brown's untidyness."
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
AJ13 wrote:
timmymadden wrote:
avid wrote:
Anyone think New Zealand's goal was a mile offside?
 
 
 
 
 
I'll get my coat.......
On slow motion it did just touch Reids head but if an official put a flag up he'd have been lying if he said he saw it, it was that slight.

Ive seen the replay in slow mo about 10 times, and i couldnt see even the slightest hint of a touch from Wiremu. No deviation in the flight of the balls path at all.


The more I see it the more I'm inclined to agree. Also if Smeltz hadn't scored there was possibly an Italian handball in the box before the ball reached Smeltz.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Either way, I thought as it came off the Italian last that played Smeltz onside..
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
timmymadden wrote:
Either way, I thought as it came off the Italian last that played Smeltz onside..
A strangely common error,you cant suddenly be played back onside just because an opposition player touches the ball on its way to you.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Teza wrote:
Interesting paragraph in the SMH which if true is poor form from our newspapers:
"Kiwi newspaper editors, hungry for scuttlebut have been asking their reporters for any dirt on Ricky Herbert's team. The most that could be supplied was that Shane Smeltz and midfieler Tim Brown were sharing a room and that neat-freak Smeltz was annoyed at Brown's untidyness."

Meh. Thats the media for ya... but I love it how they cant find sh*t. Hey reporters, go back to egg ball... I hear Umagas just bought a new handbag.
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Teza wrote:
Interesting paragraph in the SMH which if true is poor form from our newspapers:
"Kiwi newspaper editors, hungry for scuttlebut have been asking their reporters for any dirt on Ricky Herbert's team. The most that could be supplied was that Shane Smeltz and midfieler Tim Brown were sharing a room and that neat-freak Smeltz was annoyed at Brown's untidyness."
Not. Surprised. Remember the attack on Terry earlier?
 
But if we say anything we get called conspiracy theorists.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
timmymadden wrote:
Either way, I thought as it came off the Italian last that played Smeltz onside..
A strangely common error,you cant suddenly be played back onside just because an opposition player touches the ball on its way to you.
I thought it was, if the defender makes an effort to play at the ball and gets it, you're ok. Oh well.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

"BENITO MUSSOLINI, JULIUS CAESAR, ROBERTO BAGGIO, SOPHIA LOREN, SILVIO BERLUSCONI, SILVIO BERLUSCONI, DO YOU HEAR ME! YOUR BOYS TOOK ONE HELL OF A DRAWING"

Still on one massive high, and in under an hour I've got to take 30 intermediate students for PE, doing hockey. Can't win em all.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hory wrote:
It's pretty awesome seeing Smeltzy on the front page of all the major international sports websites right now
 
Not half because of the offside issue. We needed a call to go our way, and got it.
 
Awesome result!
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we beat Paraguay, we will make the second round. Let me repeat that. If we beat Paraguay, no matter if it's 1-0, we will make the second round. In a sense, then, we are already in knockout football territory.


Doloras2010-06-21 08:20:57

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Doloras wrote:
If we beat Paraguay, we will make the second round. Let me repeat that. If we beat Paraguay, no matter if it's 1-0, we will make the second round. In a sense, then, we are already in knockout football territory.


 
Which is, as anyone who plays at this level will tell you, the ideal, as it means it's all in our hands.
Who'd've thunk it?
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We can still get through on a draw if Italy draw theirs, and providing our game is higher scoring than theirs.

OR if we beat Paraguay, and Italy draw with Slovakia ... WE GO TOP and potentially avoid Netherlands in the next round. The once unthinkable is now very possible.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Netherlands Schmertherlands. We'll take on whoever they want to throw at us now.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is there going to be a replay screened later in the day? The missus fell asleep and is now kicking herself. :)

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i originally loved the thought of the possibility of that fixture but now, actually considering it seriously, i think i'd be terrified if it happened. a broken heart either way.

all whites would win me over though, just quietly.

Fuck this stupid game

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:
i originally loved the thought of the possibility of that fixture but now, actually considering it seriously, i think i'd be terrified if it happened. a broken heart either way.

all whites would win me over though, just quietly.
Or a winner either way. Glass half full,not empty!

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So many LOLz this game
 
Ricki at 23 odd "He's fn diving ref" with umarapeti arms (uma uma uma motion)
 
Nelsen at 45m jumpoing on the back of number 11 Gillardino. 11 turning while sitting on his arse spewing at Nelsen, hahaha
 
Half time, Sigmund as a replacement having words with thier players as they walk off lollolzz
 
 
Can you imagine how all the other big teams must be laughing at the Italians right now, we drew with them!
 
We're a team with amateurs, some players off contract (probably not after this!), mostly from second division leagues or A League, but we play like a TEAM, and work hard for each other!
 
I can't believe it, our style of game and skill level, matches the worlds best through sheer effort and willpower (and dumb luck). Amazing!
 
Yeeeeeeeeeessssssss!!!
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tegal wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
i originally loved the thought of the possibility of that fixture but now, actually considering it seriously, i think i'd be terrified if it happened. a broken heart either way. all whites would win me over though, just quietly.


Or a winner either way. Glass half full,not empty!
valid. just think it'd more likely be the AWs who lose that one (dare i say it) which would be slightly more heart breaking

Fuck this stupid game

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