Mud on your gloves. Hate it. Makes everything ridiculously slippery.
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F*** I hate playing in these conditions, got absolutely shafted this weekend, easy shot from 20 yards out had it covered except it slips out of my hands due to mud and the strikier in his effort to get the ball (now on the ground beside me) pushes me into a lake of mud and scores. No call from the ref - not happy!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Yea it's not so much the wind and rain that's the problem (although can't f**king stand it) but the quality of pitches here. They cut up and turn into bogs, makes kicking from the ground an absolute nightmare and mud gets into your gloves making them lose any grip.
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Nxt time take a towel with you and put it in the goal. I do it every week. When its hot i use it as a sweet towel, and when it muddy /wet i dry and clean them on it.
Or you could just play at a awesome clud like Wgtn united where you boot get cleaned while you play 
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yup, besides trying to complte a goal kick into the wind being tough, the mud stickls like glue making a long kick nigh impossible.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Trained like a man possessed tonight. What makes it even more miraculous(sp?) is that i'm just returning from a short lay-off due to injury and i have the flu.
Three for me, and two for them.
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I hope I get to train this week, grounds have been closed and the rain keeps coming.
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Trained like a man possessed tonight. What makes it even more miraculous(sp?) is that i'm just returning from a short lay-off due to injury and i have the flu.
I always though all goalkeepers were "men possessed", by definition.
Its no longer a problem.
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I always though all goalkeepers were "men possessed", by definition.
possessed or on some serious drugs! 
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Like the towel idea, although dry gloves are not cool either, they work better slightly damp!
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I hope I get to train this week, grounds have been closed and the rain keeps coming.
Not likely.
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Like the towel idea, although dry gloves are not cool either, they work better slightly damp!
There is a delicate balance isnt there. I usually wipe away any bit of mud. then wet them. then sponge any excess water off.
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I miss playing so much I've started posting on internet forums again...
Do we have a 'casualty ward' for this season?
1. NVH
2. DKP?
1. NVH
2. DKP?
3. Naenae over 35's
4. [me]
5. WillyB
6. WillyB's reserve
7. Birkenhead youth 'keeper has a cold...
8. "who's next??"
...in Wellington(ish) alone, all due to players that aren't good enough to challenge properly (fair call, anyone?)
Plus countless others playing injured for fear of losing their spot/Utting coming to play (sorry Mike, if you read this...IF - surely not)
The grounds situation probably has a bit to answer for as well.
re: Wakefield/mud - is it too much to ask to cut a patch of grass out every other week to save 'the puddle'? I'd happily do it myself...
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In the lower grades I'd have to agree with the comment on players who can't challenge correctly or don't know how to, from the keeping position I see many (and some are from my own guys) tackles that would be red carded immediately - thankfully they usually miss, otherwisae thered be more injuries and serious ones at that! I've only experienced one poor tackle and I'll give the player the benefit that is was accidental not on purpose, where he cam in for the ball two footed, sprigs up and collected me not the ball, had spriog marks on my ribs for 3 days!
We are playing that team this week, I hope to god they've learned how to tackle fairly.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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If you get the chance to play Varsity...watch how they've been instructed to challenge the goalkeeper.
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
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yup, besides trying to complte a goal kick into the wind being tough, the mud stickls like glue making a long kick nigh impossible.
if you have problems with mud sticking to your boots you should apply vas to/around your studs befor you head out, works for me
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If you get the chance to play Varsity...watch how they've been instructed to challenge the goalkeeper.
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
wouldn't the rule which states if the keeper has the ball you can't play wither it or the man apply here.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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If you get the chance to play Varsity...watch how they've been instructed to challenge the goalkeeper.
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands on the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it.
Guess that's where the 'can't play the man in the air' rule comes in (for League...)
wouldn't the rule which states if the keeper has the ball you can't play wither it or the man apply here.
It should, but...most referees take it waaaaaaay too literally.
I wasn't clear enough, sorry.
Should have read -
Should have read -
"If somebody is directly beneath you, when you have two hands extended towards and very, very close to - but not quite yet touching or 'holding' - the ball, and you are in the air...they're not challenging for the ball at all - and they're NEVER going to get it."
If I'm going up, I'm getting the ball. If someone nudges me, technically, if they're anywhere near the ball...with our rules, they could be seen as 'contesting possession' - but, we know, they're not.
Unless the keeper's a midget, there's no way a player jumping against a keeper who's at full stretch above his head (e.g. most corners) is going to get the ball - and therefore, a free kick should result from pretty much every lofted corner/cross at our - (on my presumption) - level of football.
Punching could be a 'grey area', but...even so - if it's above the head, the goalkeeper will/should win it. If he doesn't, something's gone very wrong. Chances are, he's been FOULED
[*cue dramatic outro*]
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haha love it! but your right, if the keeper misses the ball in that situation he's with ebeb knocked off his spot and therefore should be given a foul, although its not technically in the rules - refs still need to be protecting the keepers more than they currently do! but hey mostly they are just players doing their bit.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I've injured my back twice this season due to poor challenges by strikers. I take a bit of responsibility in not raising my knee to protect myself, but I haven't had a striker been called up for fouling me all season. Masty makes a good point, there is no way a striker can challenge the ball when the keeper has his arms above and hands on the ball, so the intent is aimed elsewhere.
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Where are your team's defenders?
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
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In chatham cup game the other week i jumped up to take a cross. As i caught it a striker jumped into me send both me and the ball into the back of the net. Ruling? Goal.
I think the challenging in the air is quite hard for referees. Having said that i often think they watch the ball rather than what is going on below.
My feeling is that, a stiker has every opportunity to challenge for the ball as long as he is not running and jumping into a GK. It a striker is jumpoing straight up and down then i have no problem. But if he is jumping with momentum into a gk then it has to be a foul.
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This talk of fouls on GK has reminded me of a game last year. A through ball came through, an attacker came sliding in, studs up with on foots. I got to the ball first and jumped out the way so i wouldn't break my ankle. Anyway, a got clipped just below my ship pad and fell over. Ref blows his wistle. So im thinking great, we get a free kick. Until i turn around and the ref is standing next to me, showing me a yellow card for diving. Then gives a indirect free kick to them.
Unbelivable. I showed the ref the stud mark after the game but he brushed it off.
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Where are your team's defenders?
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
Agreed, you will notice in most good teams defenders will try to protect their keeper. Although in saying that, I haven't had much protection lately so my defenders get an earful.
Some referees are way too lenient on challenges on keepers.
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Where are your team's defenders?
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
Agreed, you will notice in most good teams defenders will try to protect their keeper. Although in saying that, I haven't had much protection lately so my defenders get an earful.
Some referees are way too lenient on challenges on keepers.
I've always had pretty good cover from my defence guys but they have been called a couple of times for bumping striker, when if he hadn't been there I would have been cleaned out!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Radioman, why aren't you playing this weekend? Suspension?
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Where are your team's defenders?
I'd just been 'relocated', when a nurse came by -
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
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[QUOTE=Huddlestone]Where are your team's defenders?
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
I'd just been 'relocated', when a nurse came by -
"Which team do you play for?"
...
"Ah, one of your team-mates is just being wheeled in now."
...
"Ah, one of your team-mates is just being wheeled in now."
My sweeper...shattered tibia 10 minutes after I'd left in a (very generous and helpful) spectators' car. Was the recipient of a two-footer, the guy off his feet, on a slippery Wakefield #2 - out for the season.
We've got 2 points from 15 without either of us.
As for a 'well-timed' challenge on my part: I play the ball...AFL technique - works every time - unless you're fouled.
Take it as personally not going hard enough AT the ball if someone beats me/wins it, but regardless...it's still obviously going to be a foul.
Take it as personally not going hard enough AT the ball if someone beats me/wins it, but regardless...it's still obviously going to be a foul.
If I can get it, my defenders will leave it. Opens up a whole new bunch of complications if they weren't to.
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all this talk about fouls, gets me angry, i hate seeing any player taken out by a player of his feet and with studs up, shouldnt happen to any player let alone the gk.
as for the ball n the air, we have knees, elbows and fists, LEARN TO USE THEM!put the fear in the other team so they dont want to challange you!
use your knee and elbo more and you will find people dont challange you as much!
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radioman isn't that illeagal? ie against the rules! I've elbowed one guy a few years back and got a way with it, now I just think it would be wrong to come down and elbow a chap on his head or shoulders.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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That's why you get the defenders to do it for you,
If you are really getting fed up start sliding feet first at the strikers and you will find they start pulling out of those 50/50 challenges.
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alot of what happens is againts the rules, isint that what everyone is complaining about?
all im saying is you should be able to tell if the ref is going to let you get hamered and let you hammer back, or is he going to blow up everything in the box like a game of netball?
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Good point, I'm with you on the fact that the ref should be consistantly either calling the fouls or not, trouble is with the lower leagues the reffing tends to be very one sided.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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dont make the mistake of thinking that the one sidedness is only in the lower leagues
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Where are your team's defenders?
I'd just been 'relocated', when a nurse came by -
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
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[QUOTE=Huddlestone]Where are your team's defenders?
Surely a couple of "Well Timed" aerial challenges will put those strikers right,
I know I can always count on my defenders for a bit of justice in those situations.
I'd just been 'relocated', when a nurse came by -
"Which team do you play for?"
...
"Ah, one of your team-mates is just being wheeled in now."
...
"Ah, one of your team-mates is just being wheeled in now."
My sweeper...shattered tibia 10 minutes after I'd left in a (very generous and helpful) spectators' car. Was the recipient of a two-footer, the guy off his feet, on a slippery Wakefield #2 - out for the season.
We've got 2 points from 15 without either of us.
As for a 'well-timed' challenge on my part: I play the ball...AFL technique - works every time - unless you're fouled.
Take it as personally not going hard enough AT the ball if someone beats me/wins it, but regardless...it's still obviously going to be a foul.
Take it as personally not going hard enough AT the ball if someone beats me/wins it, but regardless...it's still obviously going to be a foul.
If I can get it, my defenders will leave it. Opens up a whole new bunch of complications if they weren't to.
See this one is growing wings - Frank 'reminded' me of it on Sat. I was 5m from the tackle - both players went in 50/50 - and it looked fairly innocuous, until your sweeper didn't get up again. It certainly wasn't a two feet in the air studs up flying tackle from the uni player (he would of been off it was!), both players slid into the ball with a leading leg and it was just one of those bloody unfortunate tackles that happen every now and then.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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I think it's very difficult to determine what is regarded as a foul on a keeper as compared to two outfield players jumping/heading the ball (that difficulty may be evident that when the two crocked keepers on this thread got crocked - guess who was in the middle!).
Essentially the keepers centre of gravity with arms outstreched and perhaps with the ball in hand is completely different to a player just going up to head the ball, therefore it's easier for the keeper to land awkwardly than an outfield player would.
Has the attacking player gone for the ball any more aggressively against the keeper than he would have against a defender, probably not, and if that's the case - should the attacker be penalised because the keeper landed awkwardly?
IIRC both DKP22 and Masty were injured from awkward landings?
It's a difficult one to call, because of the over 90mins there are perhaps only a couple of direct challenges on the keeper in the air for the ball, and therefore probably doesn't get the focus it deserves in coaching of referees on what to look out for.
I'll bring it up at the next coaching session and seek some professional advice!
Essentially the keepers centre of gravity with arms outstreched and perhaps with the ball in hand is completely different to a player just going up to head the ball, therefore it's easier for the keeper to land awkwardly than an outfield player would.
Has the attacking player gone for the ball any more aggressively against the keeper than he would have against a defender, probably not, and if that's the case - should the attacker be penalised because the keeper landed awkwardly?
IIRC both DKP22 and Masty were injured from awkward landings?
It's a difficult one to call, because of the over 90mins there are perhaps only a couple of direct challenges on the keeper in the air for the ball, and therefore probably doesn't get the focus it deserves in coaching of referees on what to look out for.
I'll bring it up at the next coaching session and seek some professional advice!
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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i was just wondering whats the situation at most clubs for goalkeeping coaches? currently playing for varsity 1sts and i had a guy who had play semi-pro in England for the first 6 weeks and it made a big difference, especially for a young guy like myself. do most clubs have coaches or is it just down to the senior goalkeeper
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No coach at diamonds. Actually radioman, it is a shame they Captial footy don't do these training sessoin we had last year (i think) again this year.
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I think it's very difficult to determine what is regarded as a foul on a keeper as compared to two outfield players jumping/heading the ball (that difficulty may be evident that when the two crocked keepers on this thread got crocked - guess who was in the middle!).
Essentially the keepers centre of gravity with arms outstreched and perhaps with the ball in hand is completely different to a player just going up to head the ball, therefore it's easier for the keeper to land awkwardly than an outfield player would.
Has the attacking player gone for the ball any more aggressively against the keeper than he would have against a defender, probably not, and if that's the case - should the attacker be penalised because the keeper landed awkwardly?
IIRC both DKP22 and Masty were injured from awkward landings?
It's a difficult one to call, because of the over 90mins there are perhaps only a couple of direct challenges on the keeper in the air for the ball, and therefore probably doesn't get the focus it deserves in coaching of referees on what to look out for.
I'll bring it up at the next coaching session and seek some professional advice!
Essentially the keepers centre of gravity with arms outstreched and perhaps with the ball in hand is completely different to a player just going up to head the ball, therefore it's easier for the keeper to land awkwardly than an outfield player would.
Has the attacking player gone for the ball any more aggressively against the keeper than he would have against a defender, probably not, and if that's the case - should the attacker be penalised because the keeper landed awkwardly?
IIRC both DKP22 and Masty were injured from awkward landings?
It's a difficult one to call, because of the over 90mins there are perhaps only a couple of direct challenges on the keeper in the air for the ball, and therefore probably doesn't get the focus it deserves in coaching of referees on what to look out for.
I'll bring it up at the next coaching session and seek some professional advice!
I can't believe that was you!! Did you dye your hair for it...?
I owe Frank NZ$1,000,000 now...
*(sorry Frank - you were right)
**(sorry Frank - might take a while)
***actually, he didn't ACCEPT the bet - YES!!! No million for you Mr Klement. Other than your own.
Anyhow, considering all this (and this WAS a private message before it didn't send because your INBOX was FULL and I had WASTED my TIME puring my HEART out) - I REALLY can't believe you asked me if I could play on while I was trying to describe - incorrectly for the situation, therefore unsuccessfully - to Dillon how to get my shoulder back in!
Anyhow, considering all this (and this WAS a private message before it didn't send because your INBOX was FULL and I had WASTED my TIME puring my HEART out) - I REALLY can't believe you asked me if I could play on while I was trying to describe - incorrectly for the situation, therefore unsuccessfully - to Dillon how to get my shoulder back in!
One thing I remember from that game was that in the first half, you gave me two free kicks (missed one) for EXACTLY what I was talking about earlier on this thread.
Congratulations, seriously.
ACTUALLY seriously. You saw what I was trying to do, noted what the attacker SHOULD have been trying to do...but wasn't...and, when what I was trying to do got ruined by their bad sportsmanship, I got the free kick. Superb.
In terms of the challenge that did the damage...it wasn't landing awkwardly - it was the striker sliding from the penalty spot 'knees first' that rammed into the top of my shoulder and pushed it down.
Funny thing is, if he was 'studs up', I wouldn't be writing this now. His - extended - leg would've just buckled, and we'd both be fine.
In fact, I probably wouldn't be working here...and having the time to do this! Hahaha.
In terms of the challenge that did the damage...it wasn't landing awkwardly - it was the striker sliding from the penalty spot 'knees first' that rammed into the top of my shoulder and pushed it down.
Funny thing is, if he was 'studs up', I wouldn't be writing this now. His - extended - leg would've just buckled, and we'd both be fine.
In fact, I probably wouldn't be working here...and having the time to do this! Hahaha.
With regards to Nick's 'getting hard' - yeah, get hard...but not dirty.
There seems to be a real issue with that down here (mmmaybe even deserves another thread)
Real tough guys play league.
Real tough guys play league.
When I grow up, I might try.
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i was just wondering whats the situation at most clubs for goalkeeping coaches? currently playing for varsity 1sts and i had a guy who had play semi-pro in England for the first 6 weeks and it made a big difference, especially for a young guy like myself. do most clubs have coaches or is it just down to the senior goalkeeper
Only seems the top few have one down here...and, across New Zealand.
Actually - there is no consistency. We didn't even have one at Central last year.
So yeah, usually the 'senior'/most-motivated 'keeper does it.
It's definitely not rocket science though.
If enough of us are keen, and we can get a ground - why don't we do some 'keeper sessions on...Wednesdays?
Dale?
Nick?
DKP (...of course you do, my colleague)
If enough of us are keen, and we can get a ground - why don't we do some 'keeper sessions on...Wednesdays?
Dale?
Nick?
DKP (...of course you do, my colleague)
4's enough - but, can never have too many.
Unless there was like, 100 - then we'd probably need two grounds.
Unless there was like, 100 - then we'd probably need two grounds.
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