Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Andrew Durante (Melbourne Victory | A-Leagues)

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about 13 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

Leggy wrote:

 Most Australians could care less, as he is not good enough to play for Australia, but some might think he is a traitor.

If any of the A-League CB's are good enough, he is. But we don't really mind that Archie chose Australia so maybe they won't care too much. 


But Archie's parents were Australian.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

 Most Australians could care less, as he is not good enough to play for Australia, but some might think he is a traitor.

May be the case this season but there was plenty of moaning last season that others were getting in ahead of him.Have often wondered if he had stayed in OZ if he may have been picked more often.

More than happy to have him join us.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

 Most Australians could care less, as he is not good enough to play for Australia, but some might think he is a traitor.



There has been a parade of dunces passing through the Socceroo ranks in the last 4 or 5 years, culminating in the hilarious sight of Robbie Cornthwaite playing at CB. Possibly Durante is not as good as some of the CBs that have been tried but a good deal better than some others.

Unlucky to my mind, but very welcome in the Kiwi ranks.
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about 13 years ago

Outpost wrote:

Leggy wrote:

 Most Australians could care less, as he is not good enough to play for Australia, but some might think he is a traitor.



There has been a parade of dunces passing through the Socceroo ranks in the last 4 or 5 years, culminating in the hilarious sight of Robbie Cornthwaite playing at CB. Possibly Durante is not as good as some of the CBs that have been tried but a good deal better than some others.

Unlucky to my mind, but very welcome in the Kiwi ranks.
But Cornthwaite scored one of the best goals you will ever see in an international match! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bygaIHD5AdQ 

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Lols

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Found this on Wiki re: Tarek Elrich. 


"Elrich was called up to the Australia national team for a 2011 AFC Asian Cup qualification match against Indonesia. Wearing the number #69 shirt, he was an unused substitute in the 0–0 draw in Jakarta on 28 January 2009."


"He was advised by FIFA in September 2012 that he was not eligible to represent Lebanon as he had been named in a match between Australia and Indonesia in 2009."


Durante was named in an Asian Cup game too wasn't he? 

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Well, fuck. That goes against what their eligibility rules say though, they say nothing about being registered in a team, only about 'participating in a match'.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

"To be honest I don’t know if it’s the final word from FIFA, I think it was more like ‘Look, it’s going to be very hard to play for Lebanon’."

That is more promising, sounds like there are just more hoops needed to be jumped through.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

"To be honest I don’t know if it’s the final word from FIFA, I think it was more like ‘Look, it’s going to be very hard to play for Lebanon’."

That is more promising, sounds like there are just more hoops needed to be jumped through.

Reading through that article though I dont know what more needs to be done? It sounds like he spent a lot of time going through everything pretty thoroughly 
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about 13 years ago

everybody cool out. andy boyens has got this!


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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Well, fuck. That goes against what their eligibility rules say though, they say nothing about being registered in a team, only about 'participating in a match'.


Sitting on the bench ready to come on at any time could easily be considered to be participating in a match.

I'll bet this is in the Dom Post by Monday - "Durante Dreams Dashed?"

We've done Sam Worthington's job for him again. Hi Sam, well done on getting another hot lead from the Fever Forum. Why not do us all a favour by doing some actual research into this and come up with a definitive answer that you can report?


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about 13 years ago

Like said previously, this does not quite align with the wording of the relevant FIFA Statute (where it says the player had to participate in an official match either in full or in part). Does sitting on the bench in an official match equate to participating in that match?

I'm certain that Asmir Begovic sat on the bench for Canada (although not sure if that was in an official game or a friendly) and his switch to Bosnia was approved. It's definitely worth pursuing for Durante.

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

terminator_x wrote:


Sitting on the bench ready to come on at any time could easily be considered to be participating in a match.


You don't get a cap for sitting on the bench, so did you really participate in it?
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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

el grapadura wrote:

Like said previously, this does not quite align with the wording of the relevant FIFA Statute (where it says the player had to participate in an official match either in full or in part). Does sitting on the bench in an official match equate to participating in that match?

I'm certain that Asmir Begovic sat on the bench for Canada (although not sure if that was in an official game or a friendly) and his switch to Bosnia was approved. It's definitely worth pursuing for Durante.


And yes, Begovic was on the bench for Canada in an official game, Dura should be fine. And Elrich is a moron.

On 14 August 2007, 20-year-old Begovi? received his first call-up to the senior Canadian squad for the friendly match with Iceland, but didn't see any action on the pitch.[40]

In November 2008, he accepted another call for Canada's 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifier versus Jamaica, but again didn't get any playing time as Lars Hirschfeld was the preferred option in goal. Begovi? missed the 2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup for Canada due to Portsmouth wanting him to spend the whole pre-season with the team. In late June 2009, he spoke with Bosnian head coach Miroslav Blaževi? about the possibility of making his debut for the Bosnian national football team

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Outpost wrote:

Leggy wrote:

 Most Australians could care less, as he is not good enough to play for Australia, but some might think he is a traitor.



There has been a parade of dunces passing through the Socceroo ranks in the last 4 or 5 years, culminating in the hilarious sight of Robbie Cornthwaite playing at CB. Possibly Durante is not as good as some of the CBs that have been tried but a good deal better than some others.

Unlucky to my mind, but very welcome in the Kiwi ranks.
But Cornthwaite scored one of the best goals you will ever see in an international match! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bygaIHD5AdQ 


Cornthwaite is a Pom anyway.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

terminator_x wrote:


Sitting on the bench ready to come on at any time could easily be considered to be participating in a match.


You don't get a cap for sitting on the bench, so did you really participate in it?


That sounds like a very existential question.

I guess it depends what you define as being "the match". Is the match purely the interaction between the 22 players on the pitch or does it include other participants such as coaches, the referee and the supporters? Clearly the coach participates in the match, so if a substitute doesn't get off the bench but is still part of the options available to a coach does he not then participate in the match also, simply through being?

On the other hand, I don't really give a fuck and am happy to defer to your superior knowledge.

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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:
And Elrich is a moron.

How exactly did being a moron stop him from representing Lebanon?
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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

Is this a case of a friendly i.e. a b international differing from a competitive game i.e. an a international 

It was mentioned that a B international for NZ did not tie Marco to NZ

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
And Elrich is a moron.

How exactly did being a moron stop him from representing Lebanon?


FIFA International Regulations

Article 5, Paragraph 3

e) unless you are a moron


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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Is this a case of a friendly i.e. a b international differing from a competitive game i.e. an a international 

It was mentioned that a B international for NZ did not tie Marco to NZ

Friendly matches don't count for eligibility lockins at all. You can completely ignore them from the debate.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Isnt it if you get in the official photograph ??




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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Is this a case of a friendly i.e. a b international differing from a competitive game i.e. an a international 

It was mentioned that a B international for NZ did not tie Marco to NZ

Friendly matches don't count for eligibility lockins at all. You can completely ignore them from the debate.
Rules out changing by residency doesn't it? Would have to be eligible for the nation before then. ie His first friendly tied Marco to Chile & NZ, so couldn't wait out for Aussie.
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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Is this a case of a friendly i.e. a b international differing from a competitive game i.e. an a international 

It was mentioned that a B international for NZ did not tie Marco to NZ


Friendlies are A internationals (i.e. you get caps for them), but aren't official competition, and for the purposes of determining eligibility to switch to another country, A international friendly appearances don't count.
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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
And Elrich is a moron.

How exactly did being a moron stop him from representing Lebanon?

Well, he and his team do not appear to have been aware that in a very recent past a player in the same situation was able to successfully switch international teams. So the genius then goes on to say in an interview that FIFA red tape prevented him from switching, while having the temerity to say in the same interview that he wasn't actually sure that it was a final decision from FIFA, but that it was just soooo haaaard.
Don't know about you, but under my categorisation, this one gets files under moron.


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about 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

terminator_x wrote:


Sitting on the bench ready to come on at any time could easily be considered to be participating in a match.


You don't get a cap for sitting on the bench, so did you really participate in it?


That sounds like a very existential question.

I guess it depends what you define as being "the match". Is the match purely the interaction between the 22 players on the pitch or does it include other participants such as coaches, the referee and the supporters? Clearly the coach participates in the match, so if a substitute doesn't get off the bench but is still part of the options available to a coach does he not then participate in the match also, simply through being?

On the other hand, I don't really give a fuck and am happy to defer to your superior knowledge.


Why do the regulations say that "if a player participates in a match either fully or in part" he's ineligible? If you sat on the bench the whole time, did you participate fully or in part?
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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Is this a case of a friendly i.e. a b international differing from a competitive game i.e. an a international 

It was mentioned that a B international for NZ did not tie Marco to NZ

Friendly matches don't count for eligibility lockins at all. You can completely ignore them from the debate.
Rules out changing by residency doesn't it? Would have to be eligible for the nation before then. ie His first friendly tied Marco to Chile & NZ, so couldn't wait out for Aussie.

The friendly had nothing to do with that, but Marco's appearances for NZ youth teams in the U20 World Cup. That didn't tie him to NZ (could have still played for Chile at that time), but ruled him out of playing for Australia, as he wasn't eligible to represent Australia at that time.
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about 13 years ago

I wish I was as knowledgeable on the onscure FIFA rules  as you el grap.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

I wish I was as knowledgeable on the onscure FIFA rules  as you el grap.


Not sure that's something to aspire to Patrick, you can do better things with your life....
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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

I wish I was as knowledgeable on the onscure FIFA rules  as you el grap.


Not sure that's something to aspire to Patrick, you can do better things with your life....


As long as someone on here can answer difficult questions.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago


Durante closer to meeting All Whites criteria

Ricki Herbert and Andrew Durante could be reunited with the All Whites this month as the Wellington Phoenix captain edges closer to New Zealand citizenship.

Durante, an Australian, has lived in Wellington since 2008 and wants to play for the All Whites.

New Zealand Football high performance manager Fred de Jong said Durante's citizenship had been approved and it was a matter of obtaining the official document at a ceremony, "which should happen within a week".

NZF would then send the paperwork to Fifa and await the green light on Durante's availability.

Herbert, who departed as Phoenix coach on Monday, is expected to name an All Whites squad next week for World Cup qualifiers against New Caledonia on March 22 and Solomon Islands on March 26.

De Jong said it was possible Durante would be named with an asterisk beside his name.

NZF chief executive Grant McKavanagh said he had spoken to Herbert since his resignation and the coach remained "fired up" about his All Whites duties.

"He seemed fine from my point of view," McKavanagh said.

"We didn't really get too much into the Nix conversation . . . but absolutely, he's fired up and it's a big year. The silver lining to this cloud for us is that Ricki will have a better chance to focus on the All Whites in such an important year."

Despite Herbert's wretched season with the Phoenix, McKavanagh said he had complete confidence in his abilities to guide the All Whites to another World Cup.

"Oh, absolutely, and that's the difference, I think, between coaching what I would call tournament play versus coaching league play. Rick knows what he needs to do to win games in these sort of situations and there's different styles of football which are played . . . I'm absolutely confident that Rick has the ability to get the team together and do the job."

He said Herbert would be able to spend more time tracking the form of New Zealand players and also scouting potential Concacaf opponents for the intercontinental playoff in November.

"We've got access to all the Concacaf playoff games so he'll have a good chance to study and review those games. I suppose it's really about having clear space to consider the strategy without other things going on."

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about 13 years ago

 The way he has been playing he should not even make the squad.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

Danny Hay!

Clearly.


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 ...and who should be called up before him after Smith and Reid?


Musa ....
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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

 The way he has been playing he should not even make the squad.

based on this logic we'll have a 6 player national team
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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 ...and who should be called up before him after Smith and Reid?


Musa ....
boxall > Musa. Still don't know how he hasn't had more game time in the current nix defence
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