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Chris Killen (Unattached)

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TopLeft07 wrote:
I just don't think he's anywhere near as good as he used to be.
 
Was he ever that good?  I just haven't seen him play that many good games  for club or country

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+1
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November 14th.  I can't give you much else unless he was good for Hibs, but November 14th he ws excellent. 

How's my driving? - Whine here

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He was decent in that game but he hardly terrorised them.  Think he only had one shot on target

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No, but his work rate was excellent.  He chased and fought for everything and his pressure on them in their half was excellent.  I watched a replay recently and it really stood out.

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you'd just hope that was't his best game in the last 4 seasons is what I'm getting at

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james dean wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
I just don't think he's anywhere near as good as he used to be.
 
Was he ever that good?  I just haven't seen him play that many good games  for club or country
Yeah, come to think of it that's a good point. I think my opinion is based on reputation and on the basis that he was consistently picked in the AWs and picked up top level contracts in the UK for ten years. I can't really recall him being THAT good at all. Always okay but if you think in terms of the AWs, before Smeltz started scoring goals there wasn't much else around for us (including Rory).
 
But to be fair News, everyone played well that night. Even Lochhead apart from that axing in the box. It was always going to take 11 good performances to win that game.

Fuck this stupid game

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I think he did sit on the bench for Man City in the prem league a couple of times, but never made it on the pitch. Keegan gave him good reviews- but not sure if that is a recommendation or not . . . 
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I have a feeling the A-League would make him look good also.

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Hard News wrote:
I think he's an A-League style player.� The kiwi Allsopp if you will.
Dylan MacAllsop.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Here is Killen's last goal for the season in Shenzhen's 1-2 loss to Changchun @ 1:10.

The v.sina and youku sites were geoblocked this time so it took me until today to find this site. A shame that I didn't stumble on to it sooner as it also has the whole games for all of the CSL matches.

If any keen bean wants to watch Killen's games in entirety PM me and I'll send you the links (and a crash course in Mandarin).

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Nice to have an update
You know we belong together...

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Latest Nothing really more from the herald, but doesn't back up the comments elsewhere.

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Thinking about this a bit more - perhaps the reason he wants out is that Troussier (quelle muppet!) is staying on as coach.�
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But, like Joel Griffiths and Marcos Flores, the money is good so not much incentive to move out of China.

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I think�he will be picked up by another CSL club - possibly even the newly promoted Guangzhou Fuli.

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Junior822011-12-11 22:15:51

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It sucks that the A-League cannot compete money wise with other lower leagues.
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Blame the politicians on both sides of the ditch for not putting in place an environment to attract investment and grow the economies (mining being the exception).
Junior822011-12-11 22:18:50

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Junior82 wrote:
Blame the politicians on both sides of the ditch for not putting in place an environment to attract investment and grow the economies (mining being the exception).


I blame overly strict immigration policies. There's a reason we can't give him a maid and a driver!

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Surely if you can get a tiler who can drive that's half the problem solved?

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Shenzhen can only have three foreign players in the 2nd Div so Killen may be looking at other CSL teams for other options.

He doesn't suit Troussier's tactics - although he was one of the better goal scorers last season.  Hopefully he can find a better team - or at least a better coach than this Gallic eejit.
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interesting article about Chinese football. Not specifically about Killen but this seemed like the best thread to post it in. It seems the amount of money sloshing around the Chinese league at the moment has done nothing to help its credibility...
BarryZuckerkorn2011-12-22 09:18:47

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Probably better in the Asian football thread?
 
Article is OK, but doesn't acknowledge that the CFA are taking steps to develop more home grown talent (but this of course will take time).  Oddly, as it is doing so with the backing of another gazillionaire, it then decided to fire GA0 Hongbo and put in place Camacho as national coach (probably because they couldn't find anyone better) who has promptly set the national team back by 3 or 4 years.
 
The investment in the CSL is another issue - although it actually is quite positive in restoring credibility - but it is only a short-term fix which needs more investment in grass-roots football to make it a more sustainable league (assuming the Chinese economy is going to burst at some stage).
 
What makes you think the backing of property tycoons and local government isn't doing anything to restore credibility?  State TV (CCTV 5) is going to be showing CSL games next season - a sign of confidence after it pulled out following the years of the black whistles.
 
 

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Oops, Asian football thread it probably should have been!

I will admit I'm not very knowledgeable on this subject with only this article and a couple of others to go on, but it seems to me that the barriers towards Chinese football becoming credible, especially within China, run far too deep for a few overpaid foriegners to change. If anything the investment by the ultra-rich into top flight clubs has the potential to make the CSL seem like a plaything for gazillionaires rather than a competitive league.

I think one of the big steps towards raising the game in China would be a Chinese player becoming a geniune star at a major European club - like Yao Ming in the NBA - so that Chinese youth could see a role model and have a hero to emulate.I often think the appeal to population is a logical fallacy too - a country is as good as its best 11 players (or maybe 20 or so to cover injuries etc)  and having a billion people to choose from might increase the odds of getting a freak of nature but a strong footballing culture is much more important. Uruguay is a great case in point. What this means for China is that they need something to get young kids playing and watching football everyday. Can the CSL do this? Its a formerly corrupt competition filled with overpaid sulks like Anelka which may just collapse when China's property bubble bursts and/or it finally experiences some economic hardship due the excessive uneven growth. If this happens it will just make Chinese football seem like more of a joke to the locals.

Of course, if that money is also spent hiring top quality coaches, building world class facilities, and promoting the game it may be that the CSL could be a pathway to Europe for Chinese youngsters. But if you're a gazillionaire looking for a status symbol a big name star is much better than good facilities and a solid youth development programme.

Am I being overly critical and negative? Probably! Like I said, I'm not well-informed on this subject but these are my general impressions of the situation. I would be interested to know what actual Chinese football fans think of it

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The CSL is a plaything for gazillionaires but it is also a competitive league.  It can be both. It is not however a business model for making money.
 
There is no debate as to what it would take to raise the profile of the sport in the country, but unlikely that a YAO ming will materialise with such a small base of registered players (and those that do go overseas tend to sit on the benches or play in the reserve teams).
 
The CFA and CSL are not viewed favourably by the fans, but the CSL teams do attract a lot of support, despite the teams being run as franchises rather than clubs and liable to move cities whenever the tax breaks suit.  Getting in the likes of Anelka and co is a GOOD move to grow the interest even further, but I think that it has to managed so that money is not diverted from attracting and retaining local talent (not a problem at the moment).
 
I'm sure the teams, the owners and the CFA are all aware of this (I think Guangzhou Hengda are setting up academies and certainly that is the stated aim of the CFA).  This will take time.  CFA have also looked hard at the Japanese system and seem to want to emulate that.  I don't think it is too far away in concept from NZF's total football.
 
HOWEVER - I can undertand your critical/negative view, shared by many observers and fans.  Since 2002 I've been waiting for another WC appearance but will have to wait until the 2018 qualifications to see if any progress has been made on the pitch.
 
 
Still as I'm a Spurs, Toon, and Nix fan I'm quite used to that.
 
 
 
 
 

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Junior82 wrote:

Shenzhen can only have three foreign players in the 2nd Div so Killen may be looking at other CSL teams for other options.

He doesn't suit Troussier's tactics - although he was one of the better goal scorers last season.  Hopefully he can find a better team - or at least a better coach than this Gallic eejit.
 
 
 
Another article saying that Killen doesn't suit Troussier's style of play.  A big clean out going on in Shenzhen at the moment.  Killen not linked to any transfer but the possibility of a loan is still there.
 
Troussier has caused a few ruffles with his earlier outburst and it seems that none of the "big names" in Shenzhen want to play under him.
 
 
 
 

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transfer window? Guest stint with a look to next year? Short term marquee with option to renew or fit under the cap next year?



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Short term marquee to the end of the season would be awesome, but I don't think WelNix would pony up the cash, they've already said they're not out to win the league that way. ashby2012-01-10 10:39:56

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the other way to look at it would be as a half-season trial. if we don't sign him now we might miss out on him later, but a short-term contract could be a good way to judge how he'd do in the a-league. If he bangs them in then keep him, if not cut him loose

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Or to put it another way- how would we go if we kept our attacking line up with Daniel, Ifill and Sanchez, but swapped Killen for Greenie?

I think we'd win a lot more in the air and maybe finish off a few of those high crosses perhaps?


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Really?

I thought he was still contracted to Shenzhen. While other players have left the club he is still on the books. The last Chinese news article a couple of days ago mentioned that he was linked to be loaned out to Chongqing, but this was then denied by the Chairman.

He missed the first training run of the new year, but was expected to turn up soon...

Edit: Article also said that a loan elsewhere was possible.




Junior822012-01-12 19:53:40

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
if you're more than 60% sure i'll change it back. my sources say he has terminated the remainder of his contract, but this is not official, so i am happy to take your word for it

cheers

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, it is Chinese media - which is not the most reliable (i.e full of rumour and hype).

I'm just translating what was written - so I'm 80% sure of my translation, but 50% sure of the accuracy of the actual information!

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
let's call that 65%!

i'll change it back until we are sure

my source is reliable, but not official, so let's play it safe

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fair enough!

I wouldn't be surprised if your source was right however, as while there has been talk from the club, there is nothing from Killen himself (or agent).

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cool, let's keep an eye on this.

i just went to check his agent's website and it's been hacked!reg222012-01-12 20:03:04

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Any news on this?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
News report yesterday said that Killen had not returned to Shenzhen and wasn't part of a friendly game against Guizhou.
 
No other details.  But this site: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/chris-killen/profil/spieler_37766.html has his status as unemployed.
 
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmmm interesting. Wouldn't mind seeing him back here for a bit that is for sure.

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