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el grapadura wrote:
The best money can buy.
 
Bit like their WC bid then!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
The best money can buy.
 
What a scenerio, a couple of 1,000 hired guns to protect people, Blackwater anyone?
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el grapadura wrote:
That's been around for a couple of World Cups now - Brazil had to qualify for Germany 2006 and Italy for South Africa 2010.
 
Yeah, I realise that now.
 
I'm Scottish, EG. I don't bother too much about World Cups.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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To be honest, I'd love to see Scotland at a World Cup again - would take me back to the days of my youth when their presence in the WCs was common.
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el grapadura wrote:
To be honest, I'd love to see Scotland at a World Cup again - would take me back to the days of my youth when their presence in the WCs was common.
 
For the 1st round anyway!
 
Been lucky (?) enough to go and see them at 2 World Cups , 82 and 90. Judging by the squad we've got these days, it might be 2022 before we qualify for another one.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
To be honest, I'd love to see Scotland at a World Cup again - would take me back to the days of my youth when their presence in the WCs was common.




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For the 1st round anyway!

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Been lucky (?) enough to go and see them at 2 World Cups , 82 and 90. Judging by the squad we've got these days, it might be 2022 before we qualify for another one.


I'd fear for Scottish fans' safety. The stadiums might be air con but they will fry like lobster on the street.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
To be honest, I'd love to see Scotland at a World Cup again - would take me back to the days of my youth when their presence in the WCs was common.




 

For the 1st round anyway!

 

Been lucky (?) enough to go and see them at 2 World Cups , 82 and 90. Judging by the squad we've got these days, it might be 2022 before we qualify for another one.


I'd fear for Scottish fans' safety. The stadiums might be air con but they will fry like lobster on the street.
 
 
What a horrible image imagine it 10,000 lobster red jocks in kilts and as it is Qatar sober to boot. It will be a bloodbath
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Arsenal wrote:
Interesting that Qatar are going to deconstruct many of the stadia after the World Cup and then use the parts to build stadiums in developing countries. Wouldn't be surprised to see Tottenham put their hand up for some scraps, the area could certainly do with some regeneration.
  Yeah it's gone to the pack since those Woolwich w*nkers moved in down the road a while back
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Teza wrote:
 
Buffon II wrote:
I'd fear for Scottish fans' safety. The stadiums might be air con but they will fry like lobster on the street.
 
 
What a horrible image imagine it 10,000 lobster red jocks in kilts and as it is Qatar sober to boot. It will be a bloodbath
 
Yeah, but it wouldn't be a problem for all those bronzed, teetotal, peace loving England supporters, would it!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Teza wrote:
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Buffon II wrote:
I'd fear for Scottish fans' safety. The stadiums might be air con but they will fry like lobster on the street.

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What a horrible image imagine it�10,000 lobster red jocks in kilts and as it is Qatar sober to boot. It will be a bloodbath




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Yeah, but�it wouldn't be a problem for all those bronzed, teetotal, peace loving England supporters, would it!


They probably won't qualify. Or will boycott because they're still having a whinge.

Three for me, and two for them.

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ok, let me get this straight...

Qatar
a) not allowed to drunk or be drunk in the street
b) youre allowed to drink in the stadium

i forsee LOTS of arrests.. maybe that's how they intend to recoup costs!

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.


Anything to punish the infidel...   

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Jag wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Don't know where you get that from. Brazil certainly won't be going through the qualifying for 2014.
 
It was the previous winners not qualifying for the next tournament that I was thinking of!


Me too 
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Buffon II wrote:
Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.
Do they though? Isn't that what people thought about Dubai and it turned out it was all just unsupported debt...
 
Happy to be proved wrong

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bopman wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.


Do they though? Isn't that what people thought about Dubai and it turned out it was all just unsupported debt...
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Happy to be proved wrong


As long as there is a demand for oil (or in Qatar's case, gas), which as you know there constantly is around the world, then they will have silly money to spend.

If the demand was to dramatically drop, then they would be in trouble.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Congrat's to Russia. They will do a good job. Plus Russia has a strong football culture and has produced many good players and teams.
 
As for Quatar....you have got to be joking. The country is the same size as Stewart Island and has a population a little bigger than Auckland. Apart from a few towns and cities its all sand.
Last year 18 foreign nationals were sentenced to public lashing for such crimes as public drunkenness and illicit shows of public affection(so it will be no drunken groping in public)
 
There is very little football culture.....most of the players and coaches are imports. the place is so small that.....if you look atheir hosting plan 9 of the stadiums will be built in 3 cities.
 
Its a joke....an insult to football fans around the globe. FIFA has sucked up to the petro dollars and we end up with a WC in a 50 degree furnace in an A-hole country where you can't get a pint or take your shirt off.
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So much wrong in that post.

Three for me, and two for them.

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It sure was a huge surprise, not so much for Australia, but Russia over England.
Not sure what TV coverage you guys had, but about 30 min before the official result one of the guys on Fox sports announced that Al Jazeera news network( based in Qatar) had announced that Russia and Qatar had been awarded the two WC's. This proves to me that the whole voting process was just a sham.
I agree with Buff that Qatar was not a surprise.
I am sure that they will do a good job but for me as a football fan Qatar is not the place I would like to stay for the 4 weeks of the WC.
The average income for the locals is around US$65000 plus a year. That tells me that the cost of accommodation is going to be very expensive.
The fact that the stadiums are going to have air con. might be great, but at 40 to 50 degrees during the day, what are you going to do.Not stay in you hotel all day.
Shopping will be OK, drinking(booze) only in certain places. Things to do? Golf,camel riding, camping in the desert, dhow sailing. Perhaps there are many people that will go and have a ball, but I was in Portugal for 4 weeks for the Euro in 2004, and I know which place I would rather go to watch foorball.
I wish good luck to Qatar.
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My first, second, third .... thoughts about Qatar weren't positive but then I dwelled on it a bit.
 
The facilities will be out of this world - state of the art and the best $s can buy.
 
The hospitality will be as friendly as you will find any where - the Arabs take enormous pride in hosting guests.
 
Maybe, just maybe, football can help to bridge the gap between east and west, Muslim and non-Muslim.
 
Yes there isn't much to do in Qatar other than pool and beach but the region offers phenomenal tourism opportunities - Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Oman and the Holy land are just short flights from Qatar.
 
The down sides are;
    - the heat - all stadiums, buildings and even pools will cooled but outside it will be stifling.
    - alcohol restrictions - I suspect that the Qataris will be tolerant and provide opportunities for those who want to to imbibe but no free for alls in public. That would seem not such a big deal.
 
For those who can't handle what I suspect will be, to most, reasonable alcohol restrictions or want a bit more to do as far as "nightlife" goes the option will exist to be based in Bahrain or Dubai - both are a 30 minute flight from Qatar.
 
I'm coming around to Qatar.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Whitby boy wrote:
My first, second, third .... thoughts about Qatar weren't positive but then I dwelled on it a bit.
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The facilities will be out of this world -�state of the art and the best $s can buy.

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The hospitality will be as friendly as you will find any where - the Arabs take enormous pride in hosting guests.

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Maybe, just maybe, football can help to bridge the gap between east and west, Muslim and non-Muslim.

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Yes there isn't much to do in Qatar other than pool and beach but the region offers phenomenal tourism opportunities - Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Oman and�the Holy land are just short flights from Qatar.

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The down sides are;

    -�the heat - all stadiums,�buildings and even pools�will cooled but outside it will be stifling.

    - alcohol restrictions - I suspect that the Qataris will be tolerant and provide opportunities for those who want to to imbibe but no free for alls�in public. That would seem not such a big deal.

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For those who can't handle what I suspect will be, to most, reasonable alcohol restrictions or want a bit more to do as far as "nightlife" goes the option will exist to be based in Bahrain or Dubai - both are a 30 minute flight from Qatar.

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I'm coming around to Qatar.



You cannot fly from Qatar to the Holy Land and anyone with an Israeli stamp in their passport would be refused entry.
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Buffon II wrote:
bopman wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.


Do they though? Isn't that what people thought about Dubai and it turned out it was all just unsupported debt...
 

Happy to be proved wrong


As long as there is a demand for oil (or in Qatar's case, gas), which as you know there constantly is around the world, then they will have silly money to spend.

If the demand was to dramatically drop, then they would be in trouble.


Yeah. Watch out for some kiwi bright spark to invent the worlds smallest, most powerful and affordable car battery anytime soon.... and Russia and Qatar might not be quite so smugly comfortable in 8 or 12 years time.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Leggy wrote:
The average income for the locals is around US$65000 plus a year. That tells me that the cost of accommodation is going to be very expensive.


It may well end up going the other a way - a wealthy country desperate to impress may well end up subsidising some of those costs, especially if the attitude of western fans displayed over the last 12 hours holds for the next 12 years.
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Leggy wrote:

You cannot fly from Qatar to the Holy Land and anyone with an Israeli stamp in their passport would be refused entry.
 
You can fly to Jordan (Amman) and travel to Jerusalem by road (about an hour) - you are given a visa at the border which is a separate piece of paper - no Israeli stamp is made in your passport.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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el grapadura wrote:
Leggy wrote:
The average income for the locals is around US$65000 plus a year. That tells me that the cost of accommodation is going to be very expensive.


It may well end up going the other a way - a wealthy country desperate to impress may well end up subsidising some of those costs, especially if the attitude of western fans displayed over the last 12 hours holds for the next 12 years.


You could be right. That would be a fantastic gesture.

Call me a cynic El G, but if Qatar( who are ranked 113) was not the wealthy country that they are, would they have got the nod?
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Whitby boy wrote:
Leggy wrote:
You cannot fly from Qatar to the Holy Land and anyone with an Israeli stamp in their passport would be refused entry.



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You can fly to Jordan (Amman) and travel to Jerusalem by road (about an hour)�- you are given a�visa at the border which is a separate piece of paper�- no Israeli stamp is made in your passport.



Cheers for that.
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Leggy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Leggy wrote:
The average income for the locals is around US$65000 plus a year. That tells me that the cost of accommodation is going to be very expensive.


It may well end up going the other a way - a wealthy country desperate to impress may well end up subsidising some of those costs, especially if the attitude of western fans displayed over the last 12 hours holds for the next 12 years.


You could be right. That would be a fantastic gesture.

Call me a cynic El G, but if Qatar( who are ranked 113) was not the wealthy country that they are, would they have got the nod?


Of course not. But no-one other than a (comparatively) wealthy country can host the World Cup.
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RedGed wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
bopman wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Why would they need to recoup costs? They pretty much have infinite money.


Do they though? Isn't that what people thought about Dubai and it turned out it was all just unsupported debt...
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Happy to be proved wrong


As long as there is a demand for oil (or in Qatar's case, gas), which as you know there constantly is around the world, then they will have silly money to spend.

If the demand was to dramatically drop, then they would be in trouble.
Yeah. Watch out for some kiwi bright spark to invent the worlds smallest, most powerful and affordable car battery anytime soon.... and Russia and Qatar might not be quite so smugly comfortable in 8 or 12 years time.


That is quite on the cards. Not sure how long ago (20 years perhaps) a Kiwi guy invented a battery that was way ahead of anything at the time. Not sure of the details but one of the big Yank outfits paid him big money for this.
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2ndBest wrote:
Fox sports coverage could be interesting to watch if Aus bomb out.


it sure was
thought one of them , he commentates A League was sure for a hanky
we don't want to be bad sports but how the hell did they win etc



E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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Here is FIFA's operational risk overview. Obviously it didn't have a large bearing on the final outcome.

Three for me, and two for them.

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had a brief scan of the Qatar report. 10 of the 12 stadiums are within 25km of each other.

Accommodation is quoted as starting at $US275 per night for 3 star room.
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2ndBest wrote:
had a brief scan of the Qatar report. 10 of the 12 stadiums are within 25km of each other.Accommodation is quoted as starting at $US275 per night for 3 star room.


Link please mate? Wouldn't mind looking at it myself.

Three for me, and two for them.

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http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/33/74/56/b9qate.pdf
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2ndBest wrote:
had a brief scan of the Qatar report. 10 of the 12 stadiums are within 25km of each other.Accommodation is quoted as starting at $US275 per night for 3 star room.
Damn, no 6 hour bus trips. Have to drink in the hotel because you can't drink in public and there are sod all pubs etc.

Its no longer a problem.

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Buffon II wrote:
So much wrong in that post.


Buff, which parts of Zinni's thread are wrong?
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2ndBest wrote:
had a brief scan of the Qatar report. 10 of the 12 stadiums are within 25km of each other.Accommodation is quoted as starting at $US275 per night for 3 star room.


That's putting it out of the reach of the average person. I certainly would never be able to afford that sort of money, especially when one would be there for at least two weeks.

So much for FIFA bringing the game to the people.
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Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
So much wrong in that post.


Buff, which parts of Zinni's thread are wrong?


He spelt Qatar wrong, it's about 10 times bigger than Stewart Island, it's a desert so obviously there is going to be plenty of arid land, you can get a pint there in a number of places you just can't act like a complete drunken tit in public, tourists don't have the same dress restrictions as locals.

Basically he lumped Qatar with the rest of the Middle East, in a similar way to how a lot of patronizing tossers lumped South Africa with the entire African continent.

Three for me, and two for them.

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FIFA = JOKE

Bribed by Russian mafia and dodgy Mid-East oil money.
North Korea are clear favourites for 2026, after they annihilate the puppet regime in the south.
LOL LOL LOL !!!
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Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
So much wrong in that post.


Buff, which parts of Zinni's thread are wrong?


He spelt Qatar wrong, it's about 10 times bigger than Stewart Island, it's a desert so obviously there is going to be plenty of arid land, you can get a pint there in a number of places you just can't act like a complete drunken tit in public, tourists don't have the same dress restrictions as locals.

Basically he lumped Qatar with the rest of the Middle East, in a similar way to how a lot of patronizing tossers lumped South Africa with the entire African continent.


I read the thread quickly so did not pick up on the spelling.
I think you will find the dress restrictions do apply and no affection to be shown in public.(even if it is your wife)
I don't think it is patronizing to lump Qatar in with the rest of the Middle East, because a lot of them ARE like that.I agree that not having larger louts around are a plus.
They are different, but that is not a criticism, it is just a fact.
The main thing is that football is the winner.
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Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
So much wrong in that post.


Buff, which parts of Zinni's thread are wrong?


He spelt Qatar wrong, it's about 10 times bigger than Stewart Island, it's a desert so obviously there is going to be plenty of arid land, you can get a pint there in a number of places you just can't act like a complete drunken tit in public, tourists don't have the same dress restrictions as locals.

Basically he lumped Qatar with the rest of the Middle East, in a similar way to how a lot of patronizing tossers lumped South Africa with the entire African continent.


I read the thread quickly so did not pick up on the spelling.
I think you will find the dress restrictions do apply and no affection to be shown in public.(even if it is your wife)
I don't think it is patronizing to lump Qatar in with the rest of the Middle East, because a lot of them ARE like that.I agree that not having larger louts around are a plus.
They are different, but that is not a criticism, it is just a fact.
The main thing is that football is the winner.
 
Saying one country is representative of Middle Eastern culture is like saying France (or any other European country) is representative of Europe.
 
It is just shows ignorance of the diversity of culture (i.e. language, religion, traditions, arts etc) across the Middle East region.
 
If having the WC in Qatar helps in dispelling some of the prejudices that exist and enlightening some in the West to the cultural richness of the region then it is a wise decision.
 
Disclaimer; I'm not accusing any of the quoted, or any other posters of ignorance - my passion for the region comes from having lived and worked there for a number of years.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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