http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/4256493/Fifa-suspends-officials-over-vote-selling
I wonder what are the long term implications?
I wonder what are the long term implications?
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I'd say he'll be dropped, and someone else will replace him. Maybe Fred de Jong will get the position?
Yellow Whever Whanganui
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I say that he'll get slapped on the wrist and given back the job, on the understanding that he steps down at the next OFC conference in January. He's guilty, on the available evidence, of being too clever by half rather than being actually corrupt like the Nigerian (big surprise there).
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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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Sorry, where was it you were from?
EDIT: In response to a spam post that's been deleted.
EGel grapadura2010-10-21 20:03:18
EDIT: In response to a spam post that's been deleted.
EGel grapadura2010-10-21 20:03:18
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more spam getting on to our forums. boost the filters, mods.
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more spam getting on to our forums. boost the filters, mods.
Are you talking about Oceanix Expert's post?
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I say that he'll get slapped on the wrist and given back the job, on the understanding that he steps down at the next OFC conference in January. He's guilty, on the available evidence, of being too clever by half rather than being actually corrupt like the Nigerian (big surprise there).
I honestly don't see that he has done anything wrong. He was going to support someone who was going to help develop football for Oceania.
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more spam getting on to our forums. boost the filters, mods.
Are you talking about Oceanix Expert's post?
Sorry. haven't been back for a while to this 2nd Best.
Not Oceanic Expert's post.
Just those scammer posts that were sneaking in to some threads, including this one, selling ipods ipads etc at cheap prices.I see the post I was referring to is deleted now.
RedGed2010-10-27 10:45:23
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I say that he'll get slapped on the wrist and given back the job, on the understanding that he steps down at the next OFC conference in January. He's guilty, on the available evidence, of being too clever by half rather than being actually corrupt like the Nigerian (big surprise there).
I honestly don't see that he has done anything wrong. He was going to support someone who was going to help develop football for Oceania.
From all accounts he's been a good representative for Oceania and has influence at the top with Platini and others.If he does go it may be quite a loss for the OFC.
If Temarii is suspended from the early December vote for WC hosting 2018 and 2022 does that mean that the Oceania members votes are all lost as well? how does it work?
RedGed2010-10-27 11:03:34
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It's official, Reynauld has been suspended for a year by FIFA.
Post ethics committee now on live.
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But there is no sign of Oceania getting a replacement vote for the next World Cup vote.
I think we need to send a message to say we have a replacement asap.
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This is a massive blow for Australia's bid. Not good.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10688609Footpaul2010-11-19 07:39:17
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10688609Footpaul2010-11-19 07:39:17
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I believe the whole upshot is that OFC does not get a vote for 2018/2022.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I believe the whole upshot is that OFC does not get a vote for 2018/2022.
This is the case.
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I believe the whole upshot is that OFC does not get a vote for 2018/2022.
This is the case.
thats a bit sh*t
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I believe the whole upshot is that OFC does not get a vote for 2018/2022.
This is the case.
thats a bit sh*t
Understatement of the year. I'll quote you on that for my story!
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A vote that would probably have gone to Australia.
I think I just heard Diego's Sons head asplode.
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A vote that would probably have gone to Australia.
I think I just heard Diego's Sons head asplode.
We can only hope.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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The way I see it, Australia is getting shat on by Fifa big time. The only vote guaranteed for their bid is gone. There will be no replacement for Temarii, Oceania has no voice, and his appeal will make no difference. I think he makes some good points in his response. Australia is the only country out of the seven bidding for 2018 or 2022 not to have a representative on the executive. Their bid is fantastic, but it may fall over not on its merits, but on politics and geography. It will be a real shame. We'll wait and see, I guess.
Good luck Australia.
Footpaul2010-11-19 13:13:58
Good luck Australia.
Footpaul2010-11-19 13:13:58
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I know life isn't fair, but it isn't fair that Oceania loses a vote because its representative gets the chop. If FIFA don't take steps to have a replacement accepted and to vote in time - just will show they don't want Oz to get a shot anyway.
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I know life isn't fair, but it isn't fair that Oceania loses a vote because its representative gets the chop. If FIFA don't take steps to have a replacement accepted and to vote in time - just will show they don't want Oz to get a shot anyway.
I'm not sure about what the decision says about FIFA's motives and what-have-you, but it is bull sh*t that one guy's error means an entire region is disenfranchised and a World Cup host candidate is disadvantaged. FIFA's attempt to obtain credibility has backfired in my eyes.
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A vote that would probably have gone to Australia.
I think I just heard Diego's Sons head asplode.
We can only hope.
I'm alive and well gents...apart from the fact that, aside from dodgy pieces of paper being allegedly passed at FIFA meetings, I do hear of dodgy stories about Internet Forum Bigwigs passing personal information about forumites to certain Victorian-based soccer people. I can't name names, but the appropriate authorities have been informed of the matter.
Stay well gents.
DS
diego's son2010-11-20 09:06:06
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ARF !
Because you're so secretive and clever that it would need colusion for either us or Boo to figure out who you are. Hilarious.
Because you're so secretive and clever that it would need colusion for either us or Boo to figure out who you are. Hilarious.
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A vote that would probably have gone to Australia.
I think I just heard Diego's Sons head asplode.
We can only hope.
I'm alive and well gents...apart from the fact that, aside from dodgy pieces of paper being allegedly passed at FIFA meetings, I do hear of dodgy stories about Internet Forum Bigwigs passing personal information about forumites to certain Victorian-based soccer people. I can't name names, but the appropriate authorities have been informed of the matter.
Stay well gents.
DS
I'm really sure those authorities give two f**ks about you or your complaint.
BTW I hope you put your complaint in letter form.
2ndBest2010-11-20 10:54:45
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Wonders aloud why Oceania cannot replace him.. its still over two weeks to go...
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The latest is.. in another part of the taped interview- it was apparently 98 mins long- Temarii is recorded as saying there is no way he would vote for anyone other than Australia for 2022, reflecting the wishes of the Oceania member nations.
The Sunday Times didn't mention this but selectively edited the tape to a short segment made to poorly reflect on our Executive Committee representative. This sucks. Because of politics and "looking good" FIFA want to be seen to act tough against corruption.
FIFA should also act tough against news organisations cynically manipulating facts and manufacturing news to boost sales.
Surely the media's job is to report news, not instigate stories based on pretence and falsehoods.
RedGed2010-11-21 13:35:08
The Sunday Times didn't mention this but selectively edited the tape to a short segment made to poorly reflect on our Executive Committee representative. This sucks. Because of politics and "looking good" FIFA want to be seen to act tough against corruption.
FIFA should also act tough against news organisations cynically manipulating facts and manufacturing news to boost sales.
Surely the media's job is to report news, not instigate stories based on pretence and falsehoods.
RedGed2010-11-21 13:35:08
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Wonders aloud why Oceania cannot replace him.. its still over two weeks to go...
I'd imagine the position on the Executive committee that Temarii has is an elected one, not one that any new temporary Oceania rep can step into.
RedGed2010-11-30 11:54:10
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I'm wrong obviously.
Looks like David Chung will be able to vote for Oceania on the executive committee.
That looks more favourable for Australia in 2022.
but what's happening here??...
www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10690954
Mr Bin Hammam from Quatar having a chat with our Mr Temarii...would be interesting to see what that was about.
Looks like David Chung will be able to vote for Oceania on the executive committee.
That looks more favourable for Australia in 2022.
but what's happening here??...
www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10690954
Mr Bin Hammam from Quatar having a chat with our Mr Temarii...would be interesting to see what that was about.
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http://tvnz.co.nz/football-news/stubborn-temarii-sabbotage-aussie-bid-3933161
not looking good, he's being a bit selfish.
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OFC can confirm that it has received a communiqu� from Reynald Temarii�s legal team stating that Mr. Temarii will exercise his right of appeal in relation to the recent ruling by the FIFA Ethics Committee.
OFC respects this decision as it is a fundamental human right to appeal after such a case.
FIFA has outlined that Oceania�s sole spot on the FIFA Executive Committee is not considered vacant as long as the appeal process is still open. Therefore, Acting OFC President David Chung will not be able to replace Mr. Temarii on the FIFA Executive until such time as the appeal process has concluded.
Mr. Chung says: �OFC will not have a voice at the voting table in Zurich on the 2nd of December but fully respects the decision made by Reynald Temarii and his legal team under difficult circumstances.�
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so because Temarii is appealing, oceania will not get a vote to vote? that's daft on so many levels, by appealing Temarii effectively censures oceania, but by accepting his fate he cops to being corrupt - how can FIFA have it both ways,theprof2010-12-01 12:07:39
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http://tvnz.co.nz/football-news/stubborn-temarii-sabbotage-aussie-bid-3933161
not looking good, he's being a bit selfish.[/QUOTE]
At the same time it is a bit unfair that he has to waive his right of appeal to allow Oceania to vote when it sounds like he still is waiting for more detail on the reasons of his suspension.
Sorry for the dump, just interesting news articles on the subject.
[quote="stuff.co.nz"]Armed with unedited clips of the infamous undercover recordings, Temarii threw new light and context onto the allegations.
Revealing how a UK journalist, posing as a lobbyist for an American consortium, asked him a total of eight times to exchange his World Cup vote for money, Temarii rolled footage of his replies, each time to the same effect.
"Keep your money," he'd say.
"If they are willing to give us $US3-4-5 million to build this academy and to get my vote, I just tell you to keep your money, I'm not interested in the money."In one conversation, the reporter even tried floating the trap five times. Each time he failed and Temarii's integrity was solid as a rock.
The footage also revealed Temarii explaining to the reporter that he is not solely responsible for how Oceania Football determines who they will vote for in a World Cup hosting ballot.
"It is a decision made by the entire OFC Executive Committee," Temarii told reporters.
"It is not something I ever decide myself."
Of the entire 24 members on Fifa's Executive Committee, Temarii revealed how he is the only one who asks his confederation to arrive at a group decision.
The votes of all other Executive Committee members are strictly individual.
"On that basis, how can I be corrupt? How?" Temarii asked.
not looking good, he's being a bit selfish.[/QUOTE]
At the same time it is a bit unfair that he has to waive his right of appeal to allow Oceania to vote when it sounds like he still is waiting for more detail on the reasons of his suspension.
Sorry for the dump, just interesting news articles on the subject.
In a statement issued through his lawyer in Paris, Temarii said: "On 18 November 2010, the Fifa ethics committee cleared me of all corruption charges but decided my suspension for one year beginning on 20 October 2010, for charges whose nature and grounds I still do not know.
"Since then, I am waiting for a reasoned decision in order to exercise my right to appeal. Despite pressures and issues at stake for the OFC, I decided not to waive this fundamental right to restore my honour, dignity and integrity following the calumnious accusations I suffered from the Sunday Times."[/quote]
[quote="nzherald.co.nz"]Temarii, through his Paris-based lawyer Geraldine Lesieur, said he will not be "blackmailed" into waiving his right of appeal to clear the way for Chung to take his place at the ballot box. Fifa president Sepp Blatter has intimated Temarii must back down on his intention to appeal his one-year suspension for Chung to take over as the OFC representative.
Lesieur said the demand has led her client to feel he is being asked to be a sacrificial hero for the Oceania cause.
"He gives up his rights and sacrifices himself - or he sticks by his guns and that will be held against him, that the OFC did not vote," Lesieur said. "If he is obliged to [waive his appeal], then it will be true blackmail ... it is because of Fifa's demands."
Lesieur said she believes Temarii could win an appeal at the Court of Arbitration for Sport, thus raising the possibility the World Cup vote could one day be declared invalid.
"It's a risk," said Lesieur. "They [Fifa] are capable of asking an individual to give up all their rights because if they go through with their appeals, the vote on December 2 is void. That is the only thing that can explain this pressure."
"Since then, I am waiting for a reasoned decision in order to exercise my right to appeal. Despite pressures and issues at stake for the OFC, I decided not to waive this fundamental right to restore my honour, dignity and integrity following the calumnious accusations I suffered from the Sunday Times."[/quote]
[quote="nzherald.co.nz"]Temarii, through his Paris-based lawyer Geraldine Lesieur, said he will not be "blackmailed" into waiving his right of appeal to clear the way for Chung to take his place at the ballot box. Fifa president Sepp Blatter has intimated Temarii must back down on his intention to appeal his one-year suspension for Chung to take over as the OFC representative.
Lesieur said the demand has led her client to feel he is being asked to be a sacrificial hero for the Oceania cause.
"He gives up his rights and sacrifices himself - or he sticks by his guns and that will be held against him, that the OFC did not vote," Lesieur said. "If he is obliged to [waive his appeal], then it will be true blackmail ... it is because of Fifa's demands."
Lesieur said she believes Temarii could win an appeal at the Court of Arbitration for Sport, thus raising the possibility the World Cup vote could one day be declared invalid.
"It's a risk," said Lesieur. "They [Fifa] are capable of asking an individual to give up all their rights because if they go through with their appeals, the vote on December 2 is void. That is the only thing that can explain this pressure."
[quote="stuff.co.nz"]Armed with unedited clips of the infamous undercover recordings, Temarii threw new light and context onto the allegations.
Revealing how a UK journalist, posing as a lobbyist for an American consortium, asked him a total of eight times to exchange his World Cup vote for money, Temarii rolled footage of his replies, each time to the same effect.
"Keep your money," he'd say.
"If they are willing to give us $US3-4-5 million to build this academy and to get my vote, I just tell you to keep your money, I'm not interested in the money."In one conversation, the reporter even tried floating the trap five times. Each time he failed and Temarii's integrity was solid as a rock.
The footage also revealed Temarii explaining to the reporter that he is not solely responsible for how Oceania Football determines who they will vote for in a World Cup hosting ballot.
"It is a decision made by the entire OFC Executive Committee," Temarii told reporters.
"It is not something I ever decide myself."
Of the entire 24 members on Fifa's Executive Committee, Temarii revealed how he is the only one who asks his confederation to arrive at a group decision.
The votes of all other Executive Committee members are strictly individual.
"On that basis, how can I be corrupt? How?" Temarii asked.
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Temarii went to Malaysia to have a meeting with MBH inbetween the time that he said he wouldn't appeal and now, where he's come out and said that he'll appeal after all. I wonder how much money he was offered...
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Surely the media's job is to report news, not instigate stories based on pretence and falsehoods.
'Arf!
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the whole thing smacks of Fifa wanting to get it's own way, using edited footage of the interview to dump a vote for australia, after seeing footage of this bribe they ban him anyway because they have to be seen to be taking any suggestions of bribery seriously. Eitherway Oceania and Australia lose out on this, FIFA are just bullies.
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This is poor from Temarri I think. He is there representing Oceania, not himself. He has to do what is best by Oceania and forget about the personal consequences. Kick in the teeth for the Aussies whatever happens.
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so because Temarii is appealing, oceania will not get a vote to vote? that's daft on so many levels, by appealing Temarii effectively censures oceania, but by accepting his fate he cops to being corrupt - how can FIFA have it both ways,
That isnt strictly right, he has been cleared of corruption, but found guilty of breaking FIFA's loyalty and confidentiality rules (I think that is about saying that he was voting for Australia, before the voting has begun)
If he susequently clears his name on appeal, then perhaps he is justified
But if not, it definitely limits the chance for Australia (which is only $200 away from us, and I have friends to stay with in every major centre
) of hosting a World Cup.Got to wonder if his stance is really worth it.
Personally and selfishly I dont think it is
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What would the ramifications be if Temarii is successful with his appeal?
Just checking the Wikipedia page of the Court of Arbitration for Sport and I don't think FIFA would follow any ruling, as shown in the case Gibraltar Football Association trying to join UEFA and FIFA.
Just checking the Wikipedia page of the Court of Arbitration for Sport and I don't think FIFA would follow any ruling, as shown in the case Gibraltar Football Association trying to join UEFA and FIFA.
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