Getting Vaxed is great and all, but from a bubble with Aussie perspective I don't see how it helps much. If I understand correctly (and correct me if I'm wrong) Delta is still very contagious even for vaccinated people, what the vaccine mostly does is make it's effects MUCH less likely to be severe/fatal when you do get it, rather than meaning you aren't going to catch it.
So if we have very low case numbers, letting in Australians with higher case numbers (assuming that stays the same) isn't a good idea, even if the people coming are vaccinated.
Basically you are wrong. Go and do some reading on effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission.
And if Aussie gets 90% if it’s age 12 plus popn double vaccinated, in conjunction with mask wearing and other continuing restrictions etc they stand a reasonable chance of reducing the current case numbers. Even once lockdowns end. That optimistic view improves further if vaccinations for kids younger than 12 become available
Any reading you would recommend? I have done a little, but as a non scientist, it's not always easy to know where to find data or how to interpret it. I have read several articles on mainstream media websites (which I'm sure aren't the best place to get info) saying that the viral load is still very high and just as transmissible in vaccinated people. For example: this one on Forbes.
Just so we are clear, I am very pro vaccine (had my 2nd jab today actually!), but my understanding is that its main protection is in limiting the severity of the virus if you get infected, but doesn't necessarily make a big difference in terms of catching it or spreading it to others.Coochiee
Moved from Season 2021/22 thread. Aus Govt video below (is from May this year).https://www.health.gov.au/news/top-3-covid-19-vaccine-questions-vaccines-and-stopping-transmission-virus-mutation-and-people-who-want-to-wait-for-vaccination-0
I didn't see Siac's comments as anti vax, just disagree that with the comment that people getting vaccinated doesn't help much from a TT bubble perspective. Covid case numbers are now dropping in NSW, and only thing that has changed is more people vaccinated daily. R number now below 1. Keeping it below 1, when current lockdown restrictions are eased will be the new challenge.
NSW adult popn (age 16 & above) now at 84% single dose, they are vaccinating about 0.5% of their adult popn daily at the moment. Yes that will soon tail off, but seems a real good chance will hit close to 90% double vaccinated sometime December. 12-15 age bracket now also being jabbed at a fast rate. 90% double vaccinated popn above age 12 would be a fanastic ahievement. Think Portugal currently has highest fully vaccinated rate in the world at 84% of it's popn.
You would think that NZ and other Aussie states can achieve same high vaccination rates as NSW. Sure as they have had Covid & deaths in NSW, so the motivation has been higher (plus higher vaccine supplies), but the pysche/mentality of the 2 countries is pretty similar. High trust in the govt, health experts etc etc.
Lots of modelling data I understand that will be lot less Covid in the community at a 90% vaccination rate, as opposed to the rates 65-70% that you have in likes of USA, UK etc.
So really optimstic that we can end up in a far better situation than that political basket case the US, and others like the UK with lower vaccination rates. I can see both AUS & NZ at 85% fully vaccinated by year end (age 12 & above), and TT bubble (for fully vaccinated travellers) opening definitely on the agenda.
Nix fans should be optimistic about having their team home in the New Year.