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Typical poor turn out from Aucklanders there.
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sanday wrote:
Typical poor turn out from Aucklanders there.


Should have been held in Wellington imo, home of protests in New Zealand.

In before Christchurch would have got more people there.

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my parents came from England in the 1970s - they don't sound 'New Zealand'. They should just f**k off home.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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2ndBest wrote:

William wrote:
People have to make the distinction between being racist and saying something that is racist. What Paul Henry said was definitely racist but calling him racist is something that we don't ave any evidence of. He would be racist if he was a member of the National Front, if he refused to be friends with those of other races or if he repeatedly said such things. I believe that Henry did genuinely not mean any offence in his comments. I think he deeply regrets saying what he did, and not just because it got him suspended.

If I was to go out my front door now and start yelling at black people that wouldn't make me racist. I wouldn't be racist because I would not genuinely believe that whites are superior to blacks.
Someone needs to check a dictionary to see what a racist actually is.So what you is saying is that I can say anything about any race as long as I don't think one race is better than another?Ridiculous. BTW- if he was actually regretted it then he wouldn't have said that he didn't regret making it later that afternoon.


Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

To your question, yes. Why would you say anything derogatory about another race if you didn't mean it anyway? I mean, say, if you were to go off and kill 100 Jews that would probably make you racist but why do it if you have got nothing against Jews? If you look at racist regimes throughout history the justification was that the other races were of lower stature.

Now I think about it Paul Henry's comments definitely weren't racist. A white person from the Netherlands or Germany does certainly not sound like a New Zealand although they may look it. So what he said was also against white people. More xenophobic than racist when you think about it. William2010-10-06 09:14:48
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francsernal wrote:
What relevance does that have to Paul Henry?


just wondering if we had the same uproar on here when he referred to some new zealanders as "white motherf**kers"..

'Willy and JT' on Campbell Live tonight saying that what Paul said was worse than what Hone says, just curious if everyone is of the same opinion


What Hone said was way worse. You can tell with Hone he means every word he says. His comments about not wanting his children to marry white people are regrettable. I don't think Paul Henry would show the same prejudice with his children. Henry is known for being shocking and in this case made a massive miscalculation and took things way too far. It's also somewhat worse when you have racist comments coming from an elected official.
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William wrote:
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

To your question, yes. Why would you say anything derogatory about another race if you didn't mean it anyway? I mean, say, if you were to go off and kill 100 Jews that would probably make you racist but why do it if you have got nothing against Jews? If you look at racist regimes throughout history the justification was that the other races were of lower stature.

Now I think about it Paul Henry's comments definitely weren't racist. A white person from the Netherlands or Germany does certainly not sound like a New Zealand although they may look it. So what he said was also against white people. More xenophobic than racist when you think about it.
You've missed the other half of the definition William. "Discrimination or prejudice based on race". i.e. saying something like all asians are bad drivers is definately racist.  If you try and tell me that he didn't have a prejudice against him because he wasn't Pakeha or Maori then you are dellusional.
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2ndBest wrote:
i.e.�saying something like all asians are bad drivers is definately racist.�


If you have been to Korea you will realize this is half true.

Three for me, and two for them.

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William wrote:
francsernal wrote:
What relevance does that have to Paul Henry?


just wondering if we had the same uproar on here when he referred to some new zealanders as "white motherf**kers"..

'Willy and JT' on Campbell Live tonight saying that what Paul said was worse than what Hone says, just curious if everyone is of the same opinion


What Hone said was way worse. You can tell with Hone he means every word he says. His comments about not wanting his children to marry white people are regrettable. I don't think Paul Henry would show the same prejudice with his children. Henry is known for being shocking and in this case made a massive miscalculation and took things way too far. It's also somewhat worse when you have racist comments coming from an elected official.



I don't agree William. Hone's comments are entirely predictable and are seemingly endorsed/agreed/encouraged  by the people he was elected to represent. Now if you or anyone else considers his actions/words racist that is potentially a point of difference for any candidate to use to run against him.

Henry draws a salary directly from the State purse whilst simultaneously and repeatedly endorsing free-market economics. Despite this seemingly intolerable hypocrisy and shameless double-standard he then sees fit to lampoon and lambaste those he considers less than worthy of his 'level'. He is actually an embarrassment to the Nation, precisily the sort of weenie loser we need to marginalize, not be having Breakfast with.

More pathetic still is his fan club. Nothing screams loser more than supporting Paul Henry.


E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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Buffon II wrote:
theprof wrote:
I am not one of the people that PH speaks for, thankfully....anyone out there who thinks what this idiot is saying should go back to their redneck, white supremicist, inbred town.


Commonly known as Christchurch.



via Birkenhead innit?

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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How can this cause such outrage (He didn't actually attack any race) yet when people like Hone Harawira does much much worse, and as a member of parliament, we barely even care!!
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foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
theprof wrote:
I am not one of the people that PH speaks for, thankfully....anyone out there who thinks what this idiot is saying should go back to their redneck, white supremicist, inbred town.


Commonly known as Christchurch.
via Birkenhead innit?


Birkenhead is full of polys. As is Auckland in general. So you fail.

Three for me, and two for them.

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foal30 wrote:

William wrote:
francsernal wrote:
What relevance does that have to Paul Henry?


just wondering if we had the same uproar on here when he referred to some new zealanders as "white motherf**kers"..

'Willy and JT' on Campbell Live tonight saying that what Paul said was worse than what Hone says, just curious if everyone is of the same opinion


What Hone said was way worse. You can tell with Hone he means every word he says. His comments about not wanting his children to marry white people are regrettable. I don't think Paul Henry would show the same prejudice with his children. Henry is known for being shocking and in this case made a massive miscalculation and took things way too far. It's also somewhat worse when you have racist comments coming from an elected official.
I don't agree William. Hone's comments are entirely predictable and are seemingly endorsed/agreed/encouraged� by the people he was elected to represent. Now if you or anyone else considers his actions/words racist that is potentially a point of difference for any candidate to use to run against him.Henry draws a salary directly from the State purse whilst simultaneously and repeatedly endorsing free-market economics. Despite this seemingly intolerable hypocrisy and shameless double-standard he then sees fit to lampoon and lambaste those he considers less than worthy of his 'level'. He is actually an embarrassment to the Nation, precisily the sort of weenie loser we need to marginalize, not be having Breakfast with. More pathetic still is his fan club. Nothing screams loser more than supporting Paul Henry.

I think it's more embarrassing that a section of the nation would elect a racist leader then TVNZ hire one. Even if Henry was racist he would just be another racist person which all countries have. He wouldn't represent the New Zealand people.

I should add that I have never watched breakfast and it looks to me like a massive waste of time of the morning.
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Michael wrote:
How can this cause such outrage (He didn't actually attack any race) yet when people like Hone Harawira does much much worse, and as a member of parliament, we barely even care!!


Hone's comments did cause outrage. Or are you choosing not to remember this just to stir the pot?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
theprof wrote:
I am not one of the people that PH speaks for, thankfully....anyone out there who thinks what this idiot is saying should go back to their redneck, white supremicist, inbred town.


Commonly known as Christchurch.
via Birkenhead innit?


Birkenhead is full of polys. As is Auckland in general. So you fail.



?
 Chch is not a redneck, white supremacist, inbred town.
continual accusations of such are not only inaccurate, they are probably also inappropriate.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
theprof wrote:
I am not one of the people that PH speaks for, thankfully....anyone out there who thinks what this idiot is saying should go back to their redneck, white supremicist, inbred town.


Commonly known as Christchurch.
via Birkenhead innit?


Birkenhead is full of polys. As is Auckland in general. So you fail.
?�Chch is not a redneck, white supremacist, inbred town.continual accusations of such are not only inaccurate, they are probably also inappropriate.


I'm afraid it is champ.

Three for me, and two for them.

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William wrote:
foal30 wrote:

William wrote:
francsernal wrote:
What relevance does that have to Paul Henry?


just wondering if we had the same uproar on here when he referred to some new zealanders as "white motherf**kers"..

'Willy and JT' on Campbell Live tonight saying that what Paul said was worse than what Hone says, just curious if everyone is of the same opinion


What Hone said was way worse. You can tell with Hone he means every word he says. His comments about not wanting his children to marry white people are regrettable. I don't think Paul Henry would show the same prejudice with his children. Henry is known for being shocking and in this case made a massive miscalculation and took things way too far. It's also somewhat worse when you have racist comments coming from an elected official.
I don't agree William. Hone's comments are entirely predictable and are seemingly endorsed/agreed/encouraged  by the people he was elected to represent. Now if you or anyone else considers his actions/words racist that is potentially a point of difference for any candidate to use to run against him.Henry draws a salary directly from the State purse whilst simultaneously and repeatedly endorsing free-market economics. Despite this seemingly intolerable hypocrisy and shameless double-standard he then sees fit to lampoon and lambaste those he considers less than worthy of his 'level'. He is actually an embarrassment to the Nation, precisily the sort of weenie loser we need to marginalize, not be having Breakfast with. More pathetic still is his fan club. Nothing screams loser more than supporting Paul Henry.

I think it's more embarrassing that a section of the nation would elect a racist leader then TVNZ hire one. Even if Henry was racist he would just be another racist person which all countries have. He wouldn't represent the New Zealand people.

I should add that I have never watched breakfast and it looks to me like a massive waste of time of the morning.


whilst being paid from the public purse it's arguable Henry is a spokesman.
Democracy allows for Racists to vote accordingly.

FWIW it's more embarrassing for me to think some people equate Henry's overt  and ongoing racism as worthy of comparison with Hone. It beggars belief that Hone is considered Racist, yet Henry is paid by us (no less!) to spout wildly inaccurate prejudice  and LCD politics. It's actions by people like Hone that will lead us into a more inclusive, less racist society.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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Buffon II wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
foal30 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
theprof wrote:
I am not one of the people that PH speaks for, thankfully....anyone out there who thinks what this idiot is saying should go back to their redneck, white supremicist, inbred town.


Commonly known as Christchurch.
via Birkenhead innit?


Birkenhead is full of polys. As is Auckland in general. So you fail.
? Chch is not a redneck, white supremacist, inbred town.continual accusations of such are not only inaccurate, they are probably also inappropriate.


I'm afraid it is champ.



I'd say something about John Banks being your elected Mayor  but we might end up with another round of side-show Bob so maybe a draw??

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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foal30 wrote:
I'd say something about John Banks being your elected Mayor� but we might end up with another round of side-show Bob so maybe a draw??


Len Brown will be mayor actually.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Unfortunately so, he's crazy. I thinkthe main concern with people over Henry is that it's happened before, although I think it's been blown way out of proportion
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I still don't see the relevance Hone Hawera has to Paul Henry.
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Possible celebrity grudge match?
 
Edit:  Interesting to see the Stuuff website has a Henry gaff-timeline.  Should also have superimposed over that a Henry tw@t-ometer scale.
 
Junior822010-10-06 13:52:18

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Buffon II wrote:
Michael wrote:
How can this cause such outrage (He didn't actually attack any race) yet when people like Hone Harawira does much much worse, and as a member of parliament, we barely even care!!


Hone's comments did cause outrage. Or are you choosing not to remember this just to stir the pot?
I think the Paul Henry saga has caused far worst problems compared to Hone. Despite what Hone said being far worse...
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Michael wrote:
How can this cause such outrage (He didn't actually attack any race) yet when people like Hone Harawira does much much worse, and as a member of parliament, we barely even care!!
 
I'd hardly describe the reaction to Hone's words as barely even caring.  I remember quite a bit of controversy.  ITs just that nothing can be done, as the only people  with the power to sanction him (his party, and/or his electorate) agree with him.
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@Foal.  Why can't you acknowledge that both Hone and Henry are appearing to be racist douchebags.  Why does one mutually exclude the other?
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Buffon II wrote:
Michael wrote:
How can this cause such outrage (He didn't actually attack any race) yet when people like Hone Harawira does much much worse, and as a member of parliament, we barely even care!!


Hone's comments did cause outrage. Or are you choosing not to remember this just to stir the pot?
I think the Paul Henry saga has caused far worst problems compared to Hone. Despite what Hone said being far worse...
Tell us why it was far worse.
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I am going to refer to the Hone Hawawira email drama for this.

Here is the Hone email:

Gee Buddy, do you believe that white man bull**** too do you?

White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.

I don't often respond to comments like this, but I will to you.

I put in s**t loads of hours and bucketloads of energy in my commitment to advancing Maori, and I am happy to put my body, my freedom, and my personal credibility on the line for that cause.

And I don't do it because of the salary, or the political position I hold, or for any other reason than that I believe in fighting for Maori rights and I love doing what I do.

As far as my wife is concerned - I don't know what your relationship is with whomever, but my wife is my partner, my adviser, my critic, and my best friend, and she has marched with me, fought alongside me, suffered the hard times with me and stood by me for more than 35 years, so if I get the chance to take her with me as part of my role as an MP I will.

And quite frankly I don't give a s**t what you or anyone else thinks about it.

OK?

Hone

PS and if you want to take this to the press, go right ahead. I answer to my people, not to them or to anybody else. [/quote]

And here is what Paul Henry said:

Are you going to choose a New Zealander who looks and sounds like a New Zealander this time? Are we going to go for someone who is more like a New Zealander this time?[/quote]

Now I think its pretty clear looking at those two which is more racist and also far more offending.

Also lets look at the apologies after:

Hone Hawawira's "apology" from Stuff:

[quote]In his apology on Auckland's Waatea Radio today, Harawira said: "Firstly I readily apologise for the poor choice of words in that email."

He said if he had simply said that Pakeha had stolen Maori land the email would not have rated a mention.

"My choice of words has led to a flood of emails and accusations and for that I do apologise," he said.

He apologised to the Maori Party saying his words had caused "considerable damage and unnecessary harm to friends"

His use of the abusive term about mothers was demeaning.

"I apologise unconditionally for using that word."


And Paul Henry's on live television from the Herald:

[quote]Henry apologised yesterday if he caused any offence but did not say sorry for the substance. This morning he went a little further.

"I am sincerely sorry if I seemed disrespectful to him (Sir Anand), that was not what I intended and I certainly didn't intend to sound racist. It was wrong for me to ask the questions that I did."

Henry said Sir Anand's background was far more "dignified" than his own.

"Most people think that I am British but the truth is much much worse than that, like the Governor-General I was born in New Zealand but, however, I am at least half what they colloquially call in Europe a gippo (gypsy).

"So let me make it quite clear I will never apologise for causing outrage, however, I will, and do apologise for causing real hurt and upset to anyone, no matter what their background, who works to make this country a better country.

"So in that spirit I apologise unreservedly to Sir Anand and his family, he is a very distinguished man I am a gippo television presenter."


Of course it is all down to a matter of opinion which one is worse. Henry's comment is barely racist, just in theory what is a "New Zealander." Harawira's is just outright racist towards a specific race. And how many people called for Harawira to resign? Phil Goff? That it? I can't remember any protests... And after this, Hone said that Phil Goff should be shot for saying he should resign and didn't apologise.wellyphoenixfan2010-10-06 16:30:54
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Until I read this I thought I was the only one who reckons PH is a complete prick.
 
Refreshing to find out im not.
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Since when did two wrongs make a right WPF?

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aitkenmike wrote:
@Foal.  Why can't you acknowledge that both Hone and Henry are appearing to be racist douchebags.  Why does one mutually exclude the other?
 
Agreeeeeed
I like tautologies because I like them.
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White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.


This part here is 100% true. In saying that Hone is still an idiot.

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Buffon II wrote:
White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.


This part here is 100% true. In saying that Hone is still an idiot.


I don't think (or hope at least) anyone would dispute that but there are much better ways of articulating that particular statement.

Both are douchebags no doubt.
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http://www.3news.co.nz/TVNZ-PR-manager-apologises-for-defending-Henry/tabid/423/articleID/180055/Default.aspx

isn't she married to another fever favourite Craig Stanaway?

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chocnut wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.


This part here is 100% true. In saying that Hone is still an idiot.


I don't think (or hope at least) anyone would dispute that but there are much better ways of articulating that particular statement.

Both are douchebags no doubt.
Yup I would agree with this completely, its not what he said, its how he said it.

And Hammer the point of that was to back up Michael in showing the different reactions to two similar circumstances.
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You mean Craig-I-got-lost -in-SA-and-there-were-a-lot-of-black-people-and-I-felt-intimidated-Stanaway?

(But I'm not racist)

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Tegal wrote:
Having not seen it..key probably just didn't know how to react. I wouldn't be angry,so that wouldn't be the reaction,I'd say he wouldve just been shocked..kind of harsh to bag key for it. Any chance though right dairyflat
 
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aitkenmike wrote:
@Foal.  Why can't you acknowledge that both Hone and Henry are appearing to be racist douchebags.  Why does one mutually exclude the other?



I'm not sure I implied that they were mutually exclusive. It could be argued that part of their appeal involves similarities their fan-clubs couldn't bear to mention.

FWIW I don't consider Hone racist, and I consider it laughable that people in NZ can. Maori or Indigenous independence and freedom (self determination?) movements need agitators to have a chance in squaring the ledger. Rights for all do not just appear from the heavens,it's  collectivized struggle and people consciously choosing to act in a just manner, despite their own privilges from the very system they wish to change that makes good ideals real.

I'd suggest most people are more offended that Hone dared mentioned unpalatable truths than any real sense of bias. This may however be tempered by my own bias and prejudice.Because I believe Maori were and are actively marginalized and  criminally exploited.

I also consider our society inherently 'unequal' so complaints regarding Maori RACISM are  unable to stand much intellectual scrutiny. I'm too boring anyway without going into this.



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I've met Hone on a few occasions, even had a few pints with him up North. He's a great laugh.

Paul Henry, on the other hand, looks and behaves like a complete prick. Wouldn't drink with him if he paid me good money to.
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Hone represents his constituency 'cos they voted for him.Hone doesn't have to throw crumbs to Petersville. He doesn't owe them a brass razoo. hardly anyone voted for Paul Henry and by being on our state broadcaster he (oh and the PM incidentally) are representing us.

Paying out our own head of state for not being a real member of the country- the way he is...


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How is Henry representing someone more than Hone?!?!?

He's a broadcaster their to be entertaining, which is why he's still there.

He's pissed me off many times before, from the way he hates on Football to this. He's a arrogant, ignorant prick. But I still think he's great simply because he's such a rebel. (lol) He doesn't care what anybody thinks and just voices his opinion.

You need people like this to cancel the extremes from the other side. (I am not referring to race or politics,just general "opinion")
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