Side comment.
What I find slightly amusing was that TVNZ had instructed Henry to pronounce Sheila Diksh*t as "Dixit" when every other broadcast I have heard has pronounced her name as "Dik-sh*t" (including Indian broadcasters).
I suspect there was some pre-broadcast office giggles about her name (as happens in office spaces!) and an editorial decision was made to pronounce her name "Dixit". This might also explain the looks of resignation of other presenters and 4th form giggle explosions from Henry.
Don't really like the man, his ignorance (rather than blatant racism - it would have been a reasonable question to ask of Sir Bernard Fergusson in the 60s) over Sir Anand Satyanand was unforgivable for a broadcaster.
Ironically, may boost, rather than curtail,his career.
Lolz. Guts bo.
Btw, pretty sure he's been walking a fine line for ages, so its not just this one offence. But I hate him. So happy days!
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Breakfast is going to be crap.
Not only because it will lack Paul Henry, but because there isn't any serious contender to replace him. The current guy filling in is a little out of his depth and you can see that.
@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?Michael2010-10-10 19:20:38
Not only because it will lack Paul Henry, but because there isn't any serious contender to replace him. The current guy filling in is a little out of his depth and you can see that.
@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?Michael2010-10-10 19:20:38
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I don't have a lot of time for Henry but him "resigning" is a punishment�totally disproportionate to the offence - when you assess the offence in the context etc it was committed.
A victory for the holier than thou�that live�atop the moral high ground.
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[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
Henry's comments. Grossly offensive. A sacking would be not inappropriate.
A victory for the holier than thou�that live�atop the moral high ground.
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[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
Henry's comments. Grossly offensive. A sacking would be not inappropriate.
Must say the view is very nice from up here.
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@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
I still watch Nightline even tho' Caro Ryan got married and left.
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I don't have a lot of time for Henry but him "resigning" is a punishment totally disproportionate to the offence - when you assess the offence in the context etc it was committed.
A victory for the holier than thou that live atop the moral high ground.
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[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
Henry's comments. Grossly offensive. A sacking would be not inappropriate.
A victory for the holier than thou that live atop the moral high ground.
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[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
Henry's comments. Grossly offensive. A sacking would be not inappropriate.
Must say the view is very nice from up here.
This.
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@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
I still watch Nightline even tho' Caro Ryan got married and left.
Must say tho when watching LOTR - the dude that plays Lionel in SS didn't seem credible as Rider of Rohan.
Kept expecting him to whip out a batch of his muffins.
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@J82
Yes. Basically was 'The Lenny Henry Show'.
Yes. Basically was 'The Lenny Henry Show'.
Now that you mention this, it does start to make some sense.
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@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?[/QUOTE]
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
Didn't say it wasn't - My point is the delivery of content is just as important as the content.
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
Michael2010-10-10 19:49:28
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Nope. I still don't like him.
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@Junior82 - yes. Take your favourite movie and put an actor from Shortland street in his/her place. Its not the same movie is it?[/QUOTE]
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
Didn't say it wasn't - My point is the delivery of content is just as important as the content.
Shortland street is fiction isn't it?
[QUOTE=Junior82] My opinion:
Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/
What experience of arabs blowing up his/ancestors sh*t does henry have? None, so your point isn't really relevant.
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He could've had an ancestor affected by a terrorist attack.
And since we're on the subject of ancestors (and obviously Hone) there's a bloody good chance one of Hone's "ancestors" is British anyway.
And since we're on the subject of ancestors (and obviously Hone) there's a bloody good chance one of Hone's "ancestors" is British anyway.
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So I recognize that Henry has crossed the line many times but I find him amusing. That's going solely from clips I've seen as I've never bothered to get up to watch TV at 7am other than football.
This is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbSSN0oNP0
His giggle is just so funny and his 'proof' that the women are wrong is quality.
And all those people condemning the racism probably watch movies which are riddled with racism in the form of entertainment be it a comedy, drama, action or whatever. Henry is no different. Infact, considering he just says things (with very little forethought) which just pop out while many actors rehearse lines which are racist would probably make them worse yet there's no great crusade against them.
This is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEbSSN0oNP0
His giggle is just so funny and his 'proof' that the women are wrong is quality.
And all those people condemning the racism probably watch movies which are riddled with racism in the form of entertainment be it a comedy, drama, action or whatever. Henry is no different. Infact, considering he just says things (with very little forethought) which just pop out while many actors rehearse lines which are racist would probably make them worse yet there's no great crusade against them.
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Will Andi Brotherston now be sacked?
Bet Paul becomes a talkback radio host.
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And all those people condemning the racism probably watch movies which are riddled with racism in the form of entertainment be it a comedy, drama, action or whatever. Henry is no different. Infact, considering he just says things (with very little forethought) which just pop out while many actors rehearse lines which are racist would probably make them worse yet there's no great crusade against them.
Ridiculous statement. Movies are a form of art, and art is supposed to broach taboo subjects so it make us think. Henry just opens his trap and tells the world what he really thinks without giving thought to others. He's an insensitive prick and I'm glad to see the back of him.
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I'll miss the little bugger.
What he inferred about Anand Satyanand was waaaay over the line, but the guy cracked me upon a regular basis.
PC brigade been gunning for him for a while now, and unfortunately he gave them all the ammo they needed to get him this time.
RIP breakfast lolz... 
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^ this!!!!! 
+ he was anti nix and football in general, so how anyone on here can be even remotely supporting hinm is beyond me
theprof2010-10-11 10:53:42Queenslander 3x a year.
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There is just no place for him on our PC networks anymore.
We will never fully decide who has won the football.
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How does one join this PC Brigade?
I'd like to become a member.
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Get rid of your iMacs and iPhones for a start.
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How does one join this PC Brigade?
I'd like to become a member.
You just have to point out flaws in arguments.
BTW, for those who want uncut, un-PC dirty action, why the f**k don't you just use the internet?? That's what's for. All kinds of dodgy, lowbrow sh*t abounds. Have fun.
Cosimo2010-10-11 12:41:20I like tautologies because I like them.
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Re: the Diksh*t (closest pronunciation is "Dixit") incident. As a NZ born non-Anglo-Saxon/Celtic, at times our surnames (& forenames) have been ridiculed & mocked to an extent. I'm sure Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names have been treated the same way outside of the English-speaking world. Would you be upset if other people treated YOUR family name the same way the Paul Henry treated Sheila's surname?
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Re: the Diksh*t (closest pronunciation is "Dixit") incident. As a NZ born non-Anglo-Saxon/Celtic, at times our surnames (& forenames) have been ridiculed & mocked to an extent. I'm sure Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names have been treated the same way outside of the English-speaking world. Would you be upset if other people treated YOUR family name the same way the Paul Henry treated Sheila's surname?
I wouldnt mind,up until he says something along the lines of "its funny because hes white"
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If something offends some people, it offends them. Just because 89% of people polled are not offended by something, you the fact you personally or your Indian friend of girlfriend or you parents are not offended doesn't change anything.
If the majority had to decide that something is offensive for it to be valid, there would be some shocking stuff said on a regular basis. That's why minorities are traditionally such easy targets - they tend to be overruled by the majority.
Everyone tends to defend Henry because they don't think what he said was offensive. Not really the point.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Re: the Diksh*t (closest pronunciation is "Dixit") incident. As a NZ born non-Anglo-Saxon/Celtic, at times our surnames (& forenames) have been ridiculed & mocked to an extent. I'm sure Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names have been treated the same way outside of the English-speaking world. Would you be upset if other people treated YOUR family name the same way the Paul Henry treated Sheila's surname?
I wouldnt mind,up until he says something along the lines of "its funny because hes white"
^ This.
Wendy Petries face after he made the "and its so appropriate because shes Indian" comment says it all really.
And then to folow that up with his insult toward the Governor General just proves what a dick head he really is. No one should be surprised to see the back of him.
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I thought he said 'Dick in sh*t' (or was it 'Dip'?) and as such that particular gaffe was a poverty joke above and beyond anything else. Though I'd have to hear it again as I can't remember what else he said in the clip.
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I just checked and it was Dik..hence my edit.
Hammer Head2010-10-11 13:54:20
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And all those people condemning the racism probably watch movies which are riddled with racism in the form of entertainment be it a comedy, drama, action or whatever. Henry is no different. Infact, considering he just says things (with very little forethought) which just pop out while many actors rehearse lines which are racist would probably make them worse yet there's no great crusade against them.
Ridiculous statement. Movies are a form of art, and art is supposed to broach taboo subjects so it make us think. Henry just opens his trap and tells the world what he really thinks without giving thought to others. He's an insensitive prick and I'm glad to see the back of him.
Yeah, after posting that I realized that in the case of, say, Drama movies racism can be used to prove a point/portray a theme. It was 3am, though, and I couldn't be bothered editing the post. Take Hotel Rwanda where they call Tutsi 'cockroaches' on a number of occasions - they're portraying important themes and moments in history so understandable.
But what about comedies? Many (though not all, granted) don't have deep themes and lessons for humanity and so surely the racism would be worse in such films? Sure the actors don't mean any of it but one would be hard pressed to prove Paul Henry is actually racist and meant what he said. I genuinely consider racism in some comedies worse than what Henry has done. Don't have to agree with me but I'm sure you can see my reasons.
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It';s about context. You won't hear newsreaders saying such stuff.
Cosimo2010-10-11 14:19:04
I like wearing jeans to work, but I wouldn't wear them to a job interview. Doesn't mean jeans are bad just because they would be bad in that scenario.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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But what about comedies? Many (though not all, granted) don't have deep themes and lessons for humanity and so surely the racism would be worse in such films? Sure the actors don't mean any of it but one would be hard pressed to prove Paul Henry is actually racist and meant what he said. I genuinely consider racism in some comedies worse than what Henry has done.
Yep you're right. There are a few old comedies I've seen that cross the line and they usually make me cringe (but thats just me).
I've never called Paul Henry a racist. What he said was definitly racist but I don't think that necessarily makes someone a racist (e.g. I'll admit I've said a few derogatory things about Asian drivers in the past, but I'm certainly not racist).
What I've said of Paul Henry is that he is an insensitive prick and I don't think too many people could argue with that.
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As I've said I never had much time for Henry and I don't defend, for a moment, what he said.
Whitby boy2010-10-11 17:46:43
I do however think the punishment is disproportionate to the offense.
I think the 2 week suspension was appropriate as was the reprimand and, I'm guessing, yellow card (final warning). I do not think the offence warranted the termination of his career.
If his suspension had of stood I think most reasonable people would have said fair enough. The problem with more extreme and disproportionate punishment is it is actually counter productive. Instead of people reflecting on the underlying issues and the lessons to be learned they focus on the "PC brigade" and other red herrings and the benefit / message is lost.
Ultimately nothing changes and views are just more polarised.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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Agree with the last 2 comments.
I was surprised India acted so strongly against it,saying it will damage relations etc..he is just a random tv presenter,and was punished for it. Key said it right "tv presenters say many things all over the world,if we let them damage relations we would have none. It is what us said at a political level that matters" (roughly,not an exact quote)
I was surprised India acted so strongly against it,saying it will damage relations etc..he is just a random tv presenter,and was punished for it. Key said it right "tv presenters say many things all over the world,if we let them damage relations we would have none. It is what us said at a political level that matters" (roughly,not an exact quote)
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His leaving TVNZ was his choice in the end, he wasn't fired.
Somehow I think he resigned because he realised that if he was to stay on then he would need to keep his trap zipped or he would be fired, and he knows that he would have found that impossible.
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This Herald site is starting to grow on me.
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This Herald site is starting to grow on me.
Absolutely. Give Rudman a boquet for a good piece of journalism I say!
Right on the money. Well researched. Principled. Nice.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.
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They made me do it, bleats the once proud, self-made man, still blindly unaware of his sins and sounding like the sex offender who shuffles off to prison insisting the child led him on.
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That was my favourite quote of the article too Tegal. There's hope for us two yet...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Paul Henry = Michael Laws in specs
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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