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The Paul Henry Douchebag Thread

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Buffon II wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.


This part here is 100% true. In saying that Hone is still an idiot.
 
no it is not.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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It will be interesting to hear Anand's response. I doubt he will care. In fact he'll probably just ignore it because he knows he's better than Henry - a mindset which more of New Zealand should take up me thinks.Michael2010-10-06 21:52:21
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Junior82 wrote:
You mean Craig-I-got-lost -in-SA-and-there-were-a-lot-of-black-people-and-I-felt-intimidated-Stanaway?

(But I'm not racist)


Craig-the-chamber-maid-said-good-morning-and-I-weed-myself-just-a-little-bit-Stanaway?

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wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Now I think its pretty clear looking at those two which is more racist and also far more offending.
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Is it though?  All you  have done is pasted the quotes without explain why which one is worse.

Tell me why the Hone one is bad?  Because I honestly don't beleive it is.  It is true that white European have raped the land.  It wasn't Asians, it wasn't Polynesians, it wasn't Africans.  It was white colonialisers. 


[QUOTE=wellyphoenixfan]
Of course it is all down to a matter of opinion which one is worse. Henry's comment is barely racist, just in theory what is a "New Zealander." Harawira's is just outright racist towards a specific race. And how many people called for Harawira to resign? Phil Goff? That it? I can't remember any protests... And after this, Hone said that Phil Goff should be shot for saying he should resign and didn't apologise.

Pretty misleading.  Here is the quote which provides more context. I.e.  Phil goff has doen a lot worse than swear, so therefore if I get suspended he should get a much tougher sentence (being shot)

Harawira told Radio Waatea that "Goff and his mates are responsible for the passing of a piece of legislation described as the single largest land nationalisation statute in the history of Aoteroa," refering to the Seabed and Foreshore Act.

He goes on to say that "If I should be suspended for swearing, then Goff and his mates should be lined up against a wall and shot."


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Frankie Mac wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
White mother******* have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bull****.
This part here is 100% true. In saying that Hone is still an idiot.

�

no it is not.


How so?

Three for me, and two for them.

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martinb wrote:
Hone represents his constituency 'cos they voted for him.Hone doesn't have to throw crumbs to Petersville. He doesn't owe them a brass razoo. hardly anyone voted for Paul Henry and by being on our state broadcaster he (oh and the PM incidentally) are representing us. Paying out our own head of state for not being a real member of the country- the way he is...
The GG is the Head of States representative, not the Head of State.

And 2ndbest, as I said, its a matter of opinion what is worse, I cannot prove which one is worse as different people would have different views of it as clearly you do. I think the majority would agree Hone's comments were far worst and this is shown by the numerous amount of polls conducted after both incidents and in the Paul Henry case, all are saying that they don't find the comments racist, let alone offensive. In the Hone case, 77% found his comments racist and 69% said he should be sacked. So clearly the public found Hone's comments more offensive yet there was no where near as much fuss about it. But as I said, its a matter of opinion.
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Was waiting for you to pull out some stats 

Not sure what polls you are quoting, but I doubt they are scientific.
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My opinion:

Hone's comments. Strong language but having some basis/justification/

Henry's comments. Grossly offensive. A sacking would be not inappropriate.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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2ndBest wrote:
Was waiting for you to pull out some stats�Not sure what polls you are quoting, but I doubt they are scientific.
Oh I knew as soon as I did that it was over for me haha.

This is the poll, towards the bottom: http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/poll-makes-grim-reading-goff-and-harawira-3200388. For the Paul Henry one, I don't think a scientific one has come out, but I have seen alot of online ones and Campbell Live had one today and all agreed with what I said above.
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I find it amazing in the US when people question Obama's lineage and eligibility as President (which is a credible questioning), they don't get anywhere near as upset as we are.
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When Paul Henry asked if the next GG was going to look more like a New Zealander, maybe he was meaning he wanted a Maori GG.
If that is case how the f**k is he racist?
How many of you, that are calling for his head, have had a little joke about dairy owners or taxi drivers of various ethnic backgrounds, without knowing where they come from?
Only times I watch PH is on the YouTube clips of his F**k ups, & I find him hilarious.
He is a broadcaster, an entertainer, if you dont like him, dont watch him. Dont try & swing this discussion around to the White Oppressors against Maori, it's got fu*k all to do with it.
 

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Mexicans out!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
Mexicans out!
If you hurry, you might be able to catch him  

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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Not the way I drive!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
I find it amazing in the US when people question Obama's lineage and eligibility as President (which is a credible questioning)
 
Dear. f**king. God.
 
Credible Question?
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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
martinb wrote:
Hone represents his constituency 'cos they voted for him.Hone doesn't have to throw crumbs to Petersville. He doesn't owe them a brass razoo. hardly anyone voted for Paul Henry and by being on our state broadcaster he (oh and the PM incidentally) are representing us. Paying out our own head of state for not being a real member of the country- the way he is...
The GG is the Head of States representative, not the Head of State.

And 2ndbest, as I said, its a matter of opinion what is worse, I cannot prove which one is worse as different people would have different views of it as clearly you do. I think the majority would agree Hone's comments were far worst and this is shown by the numerous amount of polls conducted after both incidents and in the Paul Henry case, all are saying that they don't find the comments racist, let alone offensive. In the Hone case, 77% found his comments racist and 69% said he should be sacked. So clearly the public found Hone's comments more offensive yet there was no where near as much fuss about it. But as I said, its a matter of opinion.


Missing the point.

Of those whose opinions matter ie his constituents they are in favour of Hone's comments cos they keep voting him in.

If we get offended or not doesn't matter. We can't sack him. That's a dumb dumb call. And the more you call for his sacking the more votes he gets, and bizarrely the more votes Key gets...

Henry is on our state broadcaster. He is representing us-all of us- in a round about way- in a way Hone is not- and his opinions are reported as our opinions- ie  New Zealand news anchor on TVNZ says GG 'not New Zealander'

or NZ news anchor or TVNZ calls Indian Minister 'Dip sh*t', 'Dick sh*t' and says 'it's appropriate cos she's Indian'.

ehhh....gotta sleep....If Clapham can do What Now, why not Lochhead for Breakfast while he's injured?


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Mr_Incredible wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
I find it amazing in the US when people question Obama's lineage and eligibility as President (which is a credible questioning)


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Dear. f**king. God.

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Credible Question?
You have got to be kidding me...

Also martin I would like to point out that in that poll I referenced, 61% of Maori thought it was racist aswell... And lets be honest, that email wasn't meant for public viewing (despite what he says at the end of it) and you can hardly say it was constructed for votes.wellyphoenixfan2010-10-06 23:57:35
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A lot of people in the media did that joke.
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Henry's really got it in for Indian people.  Once more he is gracing the front page of the Herald.  He really is a disgrace.
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foal30 wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
@Foal.  Why can't you acknowledge that both Hone and Henry are appearing to be racist douchebags.  Why does one mutually exclude the other?



I'm not sure I implied that they were mutually exclusive. It could be argued that part of their appeal involves similarities their fan-clubs couldn't bear to mention.

FWIW I don't consider Hone racist, and I consider it laughable that people in NZ can. Maori or Indigenous independence and freedom (self determination?) movements need agitators to have a chance in squaring the ledger. Rights for all do not just appear from the heavens,it's  collectivized struggle and people consciously choosing to act in a just manner, despite their own privilges from the very system they wish to change that makes good ideals real.

I'd suggest most people are more offended that Hone dared mentioned unpalatable truths than any real sense of bias. This may however be tempered by my own bias and prejudice.Because I believe Maori were and are actively marginalized and  criminally exploited.

I also consider our society inherently 'unequal' so complaints regarding Maori RACISM are  unable to stand much intellectual scrutiny. I'm too boring anyway without going into this.





Squaring the ledger is great, but that does not exclude racism. I'm sure if the Jews murdered millions of Ayrans people wouldn't sit back and go - 'They're just squaring up the ledger - good on them'. Extreme example, Godwin's Law etc but point still stands.

Fighting racism with more racism ain't gonna work.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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George Kostanza wrote:
Henry's really got it in for Indian people.  Once more he is gracing the front page of the Herald.  He really is a disgrace.
You may not listen to The Rock radio station, all week they have been taking the piss out of Indians. One piece they did called 'the world's fastest Indian', calling up dairys and requestion price checks on products and timing them. Not a lot of respect shown for the dairy owners there. Today they are hosting 'the rumble-wealth games, presented by Paul Japati and Leah Panapapa etc", also taking the piss out of Indian people. I bet we won't hear any complaints about this, not to the extent of the PH thing anyway.
 
I also agree 100% with what KiwiHatter said.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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Mr_Incredible wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
I find it amazing in the US when people question Obama's lineage and eligibility as President (which is a credible questioning)


�

Dear. f**king. God.

�

Credible Question?


Without wanting to agree with Mr Incredible...

Dear. f**king. God.

Credible Question?

WPF- are you one of the people that think that the 2 local Hawaiian newspapers at the time he was born who printed his birth notice are part of some great socialist/communist conspiracy to bring Obama to power and destroy America by introducing universal healthcare (which he pretty much failed to do)?
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An intersting event this - quite polarising.
 
Surprisingly I find myself on the side of the Mintos and not my journalistic heart throb Rosemary.
 
To counteract this violent lurch towards the foal30/dairyflat/martinb collective I will join up the Libertarianz party.  Now where can I find them...
 
 

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Please don't link Minto, he's a f**king idiot. I could write a better argument for him most of the time when I'm against him. :|
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Michael wrote:
Please don't link Minto, he's a f**king idiot. I could write a better argument for him most of the time when I'm against him. :|


I don't think you should use that language.

Have to wonder: could you not remember where you were in 1981 or most likely you were not even a wink in your dads ball sacks at the time.

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/patu-1983

If you can be bothered going back in time a bit. Features Hone and one or two others in retro!

You also get to see the disdain the Nats of the time- some of whom are in the current cabinet- have for the rest of us. Paul Henry (and the median wage dropping again) is just an extension of Muldoon's cacus giving the fingers to protestors and laughing.

ummmmm....and junior? errrr? saywhat? It's not particularly left wing to oppose racism or to value the rule of law, say:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10676731

But then again this lot are making a whole lot of things far to the left because they are lurching right under the guise of some really good PR. Really have to thank Henry for showing them up.
martinb2010-10-07 16:30:35


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Feel I should add to this rant:

I interviewed John for 5th form history and can still remember his quote:

" The Gleneagles agreement called for Muldoon to take all practical steps [to stop South Africa touring]. There wasn't a single step he took"

Remember in '76 John Walker won his gold without facing the main competition as the African nations boycotted over our rugby ties with South Africa.

Muldoon used the tour to win rural marginals, fully aware of its racism and that it would divide the country. Minto was a truly bright light for us at a very dim time for our international standing.

So I'd be slow to label him as you did.

Cheers.

Or as one poster in the film puts it:

It's moments like this you need Minto

for this the man deserves respect.
martinb2010-10-07 16:39:31


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martinb wrote:


Michael wrote:
Please don't link Minto, he's a f**king idiot. I could write a better argument for him most of the time when I'm against him. :|
I don't think you should use that language. Have to wonder: could you not remember where you were in 1981 or most likely you were not even a wink in your dads ball sacks at the time.http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/patu-1983If you can be bothered going back in time a bit. Features Hone and one or two others in retro!You also get to see the disdain the Nats of the time- some of whom are in the current cabinet- have for the rest of us. Paul Henry (and the median wage dropping again) is just an extension of Muldoon's cacus giving the fingers to protestors and laughing.ummmmm....and junior? errrr? saywhat? It's not particularly left wing to oppose racism or to value the rule of law, say:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10676731But then again this lot are making a whole lot of things far to the left because they are lurching right under the guise of some really good PR. Really have to thank Henry for showing them up.
He was relevant back then. No longer.

You really think he should given an ounce of credibility for protesting against an Isreali tennis player because she has done the COMPULSORY time in the Isreali military? What a toss pot.

I have followed JM's blogs on stuff or a while now. They're all non-sense and lack any form of research or sources.

Then you get crap like this: "we can learn a lot from cuba". Whats even funnier is how Cuba popped up in the news about 2 weeks later - how they were out of money. (etc etc)

Oh, don't forget "Why I won't be wearing the red Poppy" or the terrible logic of "Leave your nice dress at home, Hayley" the list goes on. But the point is that nowadays he's just a rich bashing jealous prick.
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martinb wrote:

ummmmm....and junior? errrr? saywhat? It's not particularly left wing to oppose racism or to value the rule of law,


No, you're right (I mean left) martinb (Springbok tour and all y'know).

Besides I didn't get to join up - it was closed and they only let you take out 3 books at a time.

Edit: And I still like Rosemary (for her mind).
Junior822010-10-07 19:46:08

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Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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Michael wrote:
Please don't link Minto, he's a f**king idiot. I could write a better argument for him most of the time when I'm against him. :|


I don't normally follow him either.

Like you I find his blogs mostly not to my liking. But in this case I agree with a lot of what he says.




"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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martinb wrote:


Michael wrote:
Please don't link Minto, he's a f**king idiot. I could write a better argument for him most of the time when I'm against him. :|
I don't think you should use that language. Have to wonder: could you not remember where you were in 1981 or most likely you were not even a wink in your dads ball sacks at the time.http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/patu-1983If you can be bothered going back in time a bit. Features Hone and one or two others in retro!You also get to see the disdain the Nats of the time- some of whom are in the current cabinet- have for the rest of us. Paul Henry (and the median wage dropping again) is just an extension of Muldoon's cacus giving the fingers to protestors and laughing.ummmmm....and junior? errrr? saywhat? It's not particularly

left wing to oppose racism or to value the
rule of law, say:c_id=1&objectid=10676731">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.

?c_id=1&objectid=10676731But then again this lot are
making a whole lot of things far to the left because they are lurching
right under the guise of some really good PR. Really have to thank
Henry for showing them up.
your argument = your younger,I'm older and therefore wiser. I bow down to your superior point of view

Allegedly

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I use that all the time. If that doesn't work I JUST SHOUT A BIT LOUDER.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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a better argument may be the 4 examples Michael used of Minto's irrelevance show Minto's position to be accurate and in the case of the likely Karzani-Taliban power-sharing agreement quite prescient.

maybe Michael is a comedian? He does support MUFC


E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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I'm someone who probably supports a reasonably amount of what Minto says, but I'm not too bothered about him. Check him out every now and then on some things. Don't think he's particularly amazing these days, but don't think he deserves the amount of abuse he gets.
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and back on track........
 
I heard about a facebook group (I have just started using facebook - hip, or what?) called Boycott breakfast until Henry is back.  Won't they be starving about 11am?

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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when does this new thing called 'brunch' start? because I joined....

...but thought we were talking about boycotting the show.

That page is quite popular though. Should start a poll to see where the fever people stand.TopLeft072010-10-07 22:30:05
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:

That page is quite popular though. Should start a poll to see where the fever people stand.


I'm really impressed where the fever folk stand on this matter. Apart from the 'Minto was relevant back then but not now' (lol classic) I have to say the feedback is positive in its negativity towards Henry.

I knew football was the thinking mans game!

I let my guitar speak for me

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This is going around in circles so I think we'll just have to disagree. See you in twenty years.

However I would like to comment on the Indian Foreign office's comment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/4207698/India-summons-commissioner-over-Henry

They say, "...denounces the racist remarks of the journalist..."

Making fun of someones last name is not racist.

The wiktionary definition for racist is "an advocate of racism" (and hence) their definition of racism is,

1. The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
2. The belief that one race is superior to all others.
3. Prejudice or discrimination based upon race.

None of which apply to anything they are complaining about. However the bit no one seems to really be complaining about, "Which is appropriate because she's Indian (insert Henry's joke)" has gone off the radar.

In relation to the Anand comments, it isn't so clear either. He didn't actually mention Anand's race once. He only mentioned his appearance. Imagine a white child born to an Indian family who then becomes the leader of India. Is it racist to suggest he doesn't look Indian?
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Michael, making fun of someone's last name in itself is not racist... however when you say that there name is even funnier "because they're indian" it is.

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