You are the ref has some interesting ones this week:
1: drop ball
2: allow the sub only if they have subs left (or he can be replaced by an outfield player)
3: finish the game and tell the competition organiser
You are the ref has some interesting ones this week:
1. Dropball. Outside agent.
2. Can sub, on the provisio that the team hasn't made their full allocation of subs whatever that is.
3. Not much you can do about it at the time. File a report detailing your concerns to the authorities after the game.
The basis for the last 2 is that referees have to take players at their word without indisputable evidence to the contrary, both of which in the scenarios you are unlikely to get..
Answers
1) This is a grim situation for you to be put in, but you have to be consistent on "outside agents" – even when it means you are effectively penalising an innocent party. So, as is always the case when the ball strikes an outside agent, stop play and restart with a dropped ball. As for the implications of your decision: you need to put your faith in the stadium security staff, and, after the game, in the competition's authorities to react appropriately to what took place. Thanks to Richard Moore.
2) You are not a doctor: you cannot make a decision about whether or not he is faking the injury. So apply the laws: a goalkeeper who is injured during a shoot-out can be replaced by a named substitute, provided the team has not used the maximum number of subs permitted.
Andrew Mayne wins the shirt.
3) Sadly, the two sides are not infringing any laws: passing the ball and losing possession is all part of the game, and passing to each other does not count as time-wasting as the ball is in live play. So, however wrong it feels, let the game come to its conclusion and include everything that happened in your report. This is another one for the competition organisers to consider. Thanks to Andy Riley.
These are tough, did they happen in real life??
1- Nothing?
2- Re-measure, but not repaint
3- Let them sub, make a comment in your match report (if they exist).
for 3. Don't you get a yellow card for leaving the field without permission?
for 3. Don't you get a yellow card for leaving the field without permission?
The unwritten common sense law should apply surely.
I know I know, common sense isn't in the law, blah blah blah.
Allegedly
Law 18...
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
1) Any celebration which involves delaying the restart merits a yellow card. So, if his posturing has caused a clear delay, show him a second yellow card and send him off. Include the details of what he did in your report. Thanks to Pete Cashmore.
2) Tell them to get on with it. As long as you are satisfied that you have established the correct spot, the game continues – and, again, any unnecessary delays can be punished. As a basic guide, the spot needs to be midway between the edge of the goal area and the penalty area line. Thanks to Albert Finch.
3) A difficult situation. Had you heard the racist abuse the course of action would be clear: you would take both teams off and ask the stadium authorities to inform the crowd via PA that you will abandon the match if the abuse continues. As it is, though, you have not heard the chanting, so you cannot take the teams off. You still need to handle the situation with sensitivity, though. While it is not a conventional substitution, I would allow the player to be replaced, assuming his side have not made all their changes already. The player himself would also be free to return, instead of a substitution, if he changes his mind. Either way, remain extra vigilant for abuse, and include everything that took place in your report
I can't stand rule 1. Too many players getting booked for showing a bit of excitement or passion over a goal. Some referees would just have players jog quietly back to halfway after scoring.
Allegedly
1. Firstly there is no requirement for the players to go in the same order the second time around. So realistically it doesn't become an issue until all his team mates have taken one more kick him than him. Assuming that is the case, he can't be substituted. So I'd say he has to take.
2. Book him and send him. Clearly delaying the restart of play. Stupid play.
3. Any hand shakes are protocol as opposed to law. Not much you can do about it. File a report.
EDIT: On second thought, if it's an obvious and visible action it could be considered dissent by action so you could caution. I wouldn't though.
Not sure where to put this but Ben Williams got AFC ref of the year. I find that very surprising.
Grumpy old bastard alert
And there you have it. O'Leary and Williams off to the World Cup as one of the 25.
Just glad that cunt Clattenberg is not going.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Some changes coming to the LOTG. In particular about the triple punishment of a red card penalty and suspension for DAGSO http://intheopinionofthereferee.com/2016/03/25/201...
Some changes coming to the LOTG. In particular about the triple punishment of a red card penalty and suspension for DAGSO http://intheopinionofthereferee.com/2016/03/25/201...
Old news ;)
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
You guys should be discussing what happened in a Mainland Premier League game on Friday night. I wasn't there, but it apparently played out like this.
- Player taking the penalty is already on a yellow card.
- As he takes the kick he does that stutter/stop/start bullshark and scores
- Referee says no way, you stopped, the goal doesn't count and I'm giving you a second yellow card.
- Player gets sent off, a different player steps up and scores the penalty.
Pretty sure that the player was carded for the stop/start and not for arguing with the ref.
Seem legit to you?
I let my guitar speak for me
had to be for arguing surely?
Otherwise that is very bizarre.
Allegedly
You guys should be discussing what happened in a Mainland Premier League game on Friday night. I wasn't there, but it apparently played out like this.
- Player taking the penalty is already on a yellow card.
- As he takes the kick he does that stutter/stop/start bullshark and scores
- Referee says no way, you stopped, the goal doesn't count and I'm giving you a second yellow card.
- Player gets sent off, a different player steps up and scores the penalty.
Pretty sure that the player was carded for the stop/start and not for arguing with the ref.
Seem legit to you?
The yellow card would be correct.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
so the Socrates PK is now illegal ?
Nope, because he hasn't finished his run up.
The law is there to prevent players from running up to the ball, feinting a kick so the keeper dives, therefore having an easier chance at scoring.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
so the Socrates PK is now illegal ?
Nope, because he hasn't finished his run up.
The law is there to prevent players from running up to the ball, feinting a kick so the keeper dives, therefore having an easier chance at scoring.
Always remembered it as pausing over the ball but thanks to YouTube see this is not the case. Cheers Patrick.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
The incident on Friday was very much a stutter step in the middle of the run up so it was a very poor call from the ref. It was odd that he wanted to try and ref that incident to the letter of the law then 5 minutes later a blatant dive from a Nelson player went unpunished. He was actually about to give the penalty when the Lino told him thru the headset that it was a clear dive but no yellow card was dished out there. A very inconsistent refereeing performance all round tbf.
"You cannot say that you are happy when you don't win"
The incident on Friday was very much a stutter step in the middle of the run up so it was a very poor call from the ref. It was odd that he wanted to try and ref that incident to the letter of the law then 5 minutes later a blatant dive from a Nelson player went unpunished. He was actually about to give the penalty when the Lino told him thru the headset that it was a clear dive but no yellow card was dished out there. A very inconsistent refereeing performance all round tbf.
Ohnoes the ref makes one or two errors in a game. So inconsistent. It's not like the striker that misses 5 sitters, but scores a tap in to win the game. No one gives a toss about the misses all of a sudden. It irritates me so much that refs aren't allowed to be human, despite how hard their job is and the split second decisions they make.
Like it has been said a million times before, players need to just play the game and get on with decisions like rugby and league players do
The incident on Friday was very much a stutter step in the middle of the run up so it was a very poor call from the ref. It was odd that he wanted to try and ref that incident to the letter of the law then 5 minutes later a blatant dive from a Nelson player went unpunished. He was actually about to give the penalty when the Lino told him thru the headset that it was a clear dive but no yellow card was dished out there. A very inconsistent refereeing performance all round tbf.
Sound like the card was not for the stutter step but was for mouthing off when the ref reordered the spot kick to be retaken.
had to be for arguing surely?
Otherwise that is very bizarre.
Was for mouthing off.
That's not how it was originally reported. And even it is wasn't, previous post says that it was justified anyways.
I let my guitar speak for me
The linesman confirmed to us on the night the card was for "unsportsmanlike behaviour for the stutter in the run up"
It's a fine line as to whether the stutter is during the run up or at the end of the run up though
"You cannot say that you are happy when you don't win"
Just curious as this happened in our game today,
What would the ruling be for this situation?
Ball goes out for a goal kick, THEN player swears (come on boys we have to do f####n better). does the referee 1)give the offending player a yellow card and goal kick stands. 2) give the attacking team a DIRECT free kick where the offending player stood 3)give the attacking team an INDIRECT free kick where the offending player stood.
Also with the respect programme that is going on, when both teams are shaking hands after the game and they look around to shake the reffs hand and he has walked off and not shaken anybodys hand, is this a lack of respect or both teams from the ref??
Just curious as this happened in our game today,
What would the ruling be for this situation?
Ball goes out for a goal kick, THEN player swears (come on boys we have to do f####n better). does the referee 1)give the offending player a yellow card and goal kick stands. 2) give the attacking team a DIRECT free kick where the offending player stood 3)give the attacking team an INDIRECT free kick where the offending player stood.
Also with the respect programme that is going on, when both teams are shaking hands after the game and they look around to shake the reffs hand and he has walked off and not shaken anybodys hand, is this a lack of respect or both teams from the ref??
No yellow card, referee is a Twit
No yellow no foul. The lotg do not prohibite profanity. If it is a verbal attack on a player etc then it can be classed as a card for unsportsmanlike conduct. In my last ref training we were specifically reminded it's not against lotg but we should try and manage it out if possible
Just curious as this happened in our game today,
What would the ruling be for this situation?
Ball goes out for a goal kick, THEN player swears (come on boys we have to do f####n better). does the referee 1)give the offending player a yellow card and goal kick stands. 2) give the attacking team a DIRECT free kick where the offending player stood 3)give the attacking team an INDIRECT free kick where the offending player stood.
Also with the respect programme that is going on, when both teams are shaking hands after the game and they look around to shake the reffs hand and he has walked off and not shaken anybodys hand, is this a lack of respect or both teams from the ref??
IF the referee considered the language used an offence then I believe:
Red Card - Goal Kick
- Law 12 - A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits (any of the following seven) offences:
* using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
- Goal Kick : Once the ball is out of play the restart can only be for the appropriate reason the ball originally went out for, unless the referee changes his mind on that reason before play has restarted. eg. originally awarded a goal kick but changes his mind to a corner.
Yellow/Red cards can be issued after the ball is out of play but do not change the original reason of restarting.