Champs Premier League

bobboltontawa22008-08-03 11:15:27

gotta remember miramar only got promoted from capital 1 last year after two weeks of stacking their team at the end of the season.. monkeyboy2008-08-03 11:42:53

Thats not really right mate monkeyboy, they had a strong squad but there wasn't any stacking involved. The guys involved made a point of it (tommo, jonesy, bert, wellsy, and the big fella at the back)

Stacking is getting to ridiculous levels at the moment. More of an issue than used to be and starting to undermine league integrity.

Ok, just gonna throw the $0.02 in.

In Christchurch, there is a reserve league (which seemed to use to be here, but is being flagged). And stacking isn't an issue there, because it's a league totally removed from everything else. But it is still competitive because the players in it are wanting to play in the Mainland League. Not every team gets to have a team in the reserve league, just the top mainland league teams, plus two others to cover the Nelson teams (who are the best from the rest, in fact one of the teams are near winning it)

So a reserve league in Welly would have... Miramar, Petone, Lower Hutt, Olympic, Western, Wellington United and Stop Out (even if they get relegated, still have a team in reserve league out of respect for being in Central league last year. And then either 1 or 3 reserves teams from Champs Premier teams.

Sure not perfect, but it'd get rid of stacking... in theory

That would just be an artifical league. Why  penalise those that play at a strong club.

RIght, so far I think there are three broad options identified for deterring "stacking":

Marius Lacatus2008-08-03 20:24:05

so do we know why Cap Ftball are claiming that Fiji B have won the league?

There are problems with it as well, it becomes very artificial, without promo if you were losing or in mid table you could see sides stop caring

I think better regs around dropping players is the answer

A top 4/semifinal in the CL would be brilliant...  aka Jubilee Cup style, and there is every incentive to get there as once the knock out starts anything can happen i.e., Norths beating the much faniced petone team...

Play-off systems stink. The league format is perfect because it represents your achievements throughout the season not just the last few weeks where you might have a few good players missing through injury or whatever, so throw that idea right back at the yanks. Save knock-out football for the Chatham Cup. As for the second team dilemma, simple, ban second teams from the Champs Premier, this way Cap 1 becomes like a reserve league and if players don't want to prove themselves at that level they can join other clubs therefor strengthening some of the weaker sides around the area.

my thoughts exactly opax - id rather see the likes of north wellington and stokes valley given a decent opportunity at champs premier than see what is happening at the moment - in saying that im not opposed to seeing a playoff system in central league - which wouldn't have fixed the problem this year of western suburbs cause they currently sit well off 4th.

hard luck Rapa...

Now why couldn't we all just have left Wairarapa thinking they had already won the league so that they took their next 2 games easy??...I have nothing against them winning it....but seeing as we now them twice in a row it would have been nice.... I'm sure they would have taken Capital Football's word for it

'Rapa. Put that Cup down!, and Phil, put that phone down and hold the press!

What happen to Marist on Saturday, completely dominating the game lead 2 nil hit the post a couple of times as well, then lead 3-1 KCU back to 3-3  Marist have a goal rule out I think for offside, then right on Fulltime are awarded a penalty and it sailed over the bar (Dan Carter like) 3 - 3 draw good game to watch. Marist must be gutted only getting a point!

yeah, that goal should have never been ruled out. the player took the shot and the ball came back to him. Marist is just unlucky on Saturday and didn't get a decent ref. KCU tackles were very

dangerous, they were very luck to have only one person sent off.

Yeah pretty gutted about the point only...still the only aim at the moment is to not get relegated, so a point is better than nothing...

Hey Wulfy...did Big Mike get a run on Sat?

Haha good point Bob. They could be Tawa's 1st team .  more likely though to be giving a few juniors a run

C'mon Marist, C'mon Wharfies. Dig in lads.

Feverish2008-08-04 21:29:36

Their 3-0 win over Lower Hutt City at Howard Booth Park on Saturday didn't guarantee Wairarapa United the Capital premier division title but it's certainly put the pressure on the only team who can deprive them of that honour, Tawa.

With their latest game against Waterside-Karori cancelled because of poor ground conditions Tawa were left on 26pts with four matches to play while Wairarapa United climbed to 34 pts with two matches to play, both of them against Marist, who sit second to bottom on the points table.

What this means is that if Wairarapa United beat Marist twice, or even manage a win and a draw, they are home and hosed while Tawa must win all of their last four games and depend on Wairarapa United tripping up at the last two hurdles.

    It's a situation which pleases Wairarapa United coach Phil Keinzley but, at the same time, he is still taking nothing for granted.

"Obviously we have the inside running right now but they (Tawa) are a very good side and we can't count them out," he said.

"The focus for us has to be on two more wins, we can't be headed if we do that."

Two goals in the first 20 minutes, the first of them a 30m "rocket" from Sakeo Valevou and the second a similar effort from Carl Shailer, were an early boost to confidence for Wairarapa United against Lower Hutt City although coach Keinzley was not over impressed with their first half performance.

"We looked a bit tired at nervous at times, there wasn't quite the enthusiasm we wanted," he said.

The second half display, however, saw greater control and direction and while a goal to Aaron Spierling was the only scoring action of that spell Wairarapa United created a number of scoring chances.

Substitute Kota Maeno set up many of these when he came off the reserve bench and made a huge impact on attack while others to shine were midfielders Miriek Tvaroh and Pita Rabo.

Hold on is their maths skills dodgy Im sure that if Tawa win all their games they finish on 38 points, that means Wairarapa have to win both their last games to secure the title. A win and a draw will come down to goal difference, surely?

Who do Tawa play in those last 4 games?

kapiti x 2

Naw, Mike didn't even make it out to Kapiti unfortunately....

your coach made it on to the bench though

Well you could do us a big favour by beating LH in a couple of weeks...and doing the same to Wests would be quite nice as well....

big game this week, LH vs the mar.... a LH win might do quite nicely for us though...and hopefully we can add some excitement to the title race with a win over the Rapa


And yes, obviously we would be disappointed, and possibly even a bit angry if we got relegated....but, umm....who wouldnt be? I'm always disappointed and angry when I lose, I can't see relegation as a fun thing.
I don't imagine a trip to CF headquarters happening,
wulfsteam2008-08-05 14:42:47

You're right, it would come down to goal difference, however Tawa are at +11 and the Rapa are at +26 (which would improve if they won 1 drew 1), Tawa would need to win their last 4 games by an average of 4 or more a game (they currently average scoring just over 2 goals a game).

So certainly not mathematically impossible, but difficult