Kick racism out of Football

After playing tonight against another Hutt region team perhaps other forms of discrimination need to be addressed, not just racisim.

Is calling someone a faggot still discrimination even if the person receiving the abuse isn't themselves gay?

It's easier to agree someone is just a c*nt rather than bringing race or other things into it.

Unless that person IS a c*nt and they decide to complain to CF.......

Telfer interviewing Seatoun's coach on Radio Sport. Now

Telfer = numpty

That's a bit harsh. Numpties can be entertaining - Telfer is an arrogant ill-informed, narrow minded far kwit.

imo.

I'm 100% in favour of Kick Homophobia Out Of Football. (In the men's game, particularly. If there was a lot of gay-baiting in the women's game we wouldn't have any teams.)

I would like to point out that IMHO racism and homophobia are worse than other kinds of abuse, because they perpetuate real social problems, which "you're nowt but a bollix, ref", doesn't.

Michelle is the journalist

I think she tried to hit you out over long on..... Not sure if she really got a hold of it.

worst part of this hitting the emdia before anything could be resolved is the resultant trial by public opinion, both the alleged offenders and capital football are going to get slammed. At the end of the day all of us have abused another player or ref for being thick useless or just doing something we don't like. Personally I can accept the general insults that get thrown around. It's when the attacks get personal ie insults pertaining to race, sexuality etc that I find offensive. Genearlly for someone to come out with a racist slur takes a bit of practice or repetition - these guys are likely to be racist, sexist, homophobic in normal conversation not just the heat of a game.

For the current seatoun vs LHFC, I say place a cap footy observer at both clubs games, see what happens. Are the Seatoun guys particularly dirty, or angsty towards the refs? Are the LHFC lads overly aggressive abusive of the opposition - if so make notes and deal with it efficiently. The rules are there, so cap footy needs to be enforcing them.

So while at training 2nite my boys refreshed my memory and infact that not only did we NOT use racial slurs as accused but it was they who racially abused our players!!!

So sorry seatoun as far as im concerned you can get off your high horses and eat s&£t!!!

regal if your talking about my post I make no apology! It really boils my blood when someone creates a storm like this when they are just as much to blame as anyone!

I wasn't referring to any post in particular. But interesting that you thought it referred to yours. 

And yes, I am feeling rather kingly today. 

"Nothing to see here" "It wasn't us, it was them"

Some pretty average comments/attitudes on this thread. For my part, the headlines this morning (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/8926519/Investigation-into-racism-in-Wellingtons-football-clubs) are fantastic news. This focusses on the bigger picture, rather than the "if they're doing it as well, then what's the the problem" attitude of some punters.

There is a problem. Hopefully this will go some way to facilitating a solution.

As for Capital Football, perhaps they should have lead with this before getting into a "he said/she said" with the Dim Post. Richard Reid needs some decent PR advice.

People will tell racists jokes in social situations. (i.e. why did the Maori......) with the intent of generating humour and a laugh and more a statement on plight/stereotyping with humour and I think it would be a fair comment to say that the majority of people have either heard one and/or told one and had a laugh as well. That doesn't make it right, but it happens.

Now to say that football in NZ has institutionalised racism running through in the form of 'hate' is farcical to say the least. Do comments happen? Yes they do. I think its also fair to say that officials that hear it take the appropriate action (ask Zane Sole why he no longer plays ASBP) I would take a guess that if you had 100 games played, 3 maybe 4 would have some kind of direct racist comment along the lines of 'you black...' 'you white...' 'you Indian....'. That does not make it acceptable but it hardly makes it ingrained in the form of 'institutionalised racism'. Racism will always always always happen even in a minor effect.

If I could spin it in a different context, my son was always that one stupid kid that ran from the Mr Whippy truck and his icecream fell off the cone. Now does that mean all icecreams will fall off the cone? Nope, it just happened to my son (cause he never learned) and he always believed Mr Whippy was crap because the icecream fell off the cone. That's not actually the case but when that's the only experience you have, you are inclined to think that way. 

I would be intrigued to poll the Federation offices on a Monday morning as to how many of their red and yellow cards are around racism.

A ref can see a dodgy tackle or hear someone loose there temper (someone yelling abuse directed at someone or even towards the ref) this is where your red and yellow cards will come from! but a sly racist comment  off the ball cannot be heard, therefore bookings and sendings off don't happen...

i do agree with the 100 games there would be minimal cases but if people are awear then hopefully it drops to 1 case a every 100 games...

i know if i hear anything racist from the oppersition or my own team, they will get an ear full!

There are racial jokes and there is racist humour  JV. A subtle difference but quite obvious to those that are the butt of them.

Abuse is reasonably clear cut.

I've read about widespread racism.  Not institutionalised ... although we could also have a debate about that too.

F*cking hell - if rugby can take a stance on spectator behaviour and violence then why can't football do similar for racism? 

#somanybloodyostriches

Mr Whippy-as-an-analogy-for-the-prevalence-of-racism-in-the-game-of-football is an absolute blinder though Jeff.

Not denying there is a problem, my team have been on the receiving end of it several times im just saying I have no tolerance of hypocrites.

To me a more telling question would be - is the ice cream that falls off a pure vanilla one or has it got a sprinkling off 100s and 1000s or even a solitary flake bar?

It was the only one I could think of to explain the point I was getting at :o)

It could well be that this guy is the one guy that every game he plays in, there is racial abuse. I do not condone that whatsoever but his experience will make it seem widespread when it is not as he seems it to be.

By all accounts your son is not the only one to experience cone-drop or Mr Whippy-ism..

(We stopped buying Mr Whippy quite a long time ago and he is too chicken to come over to Saarf K-Town, seemingly content to ply his trade in safer, homogeneous and bland places like Palmy)

Interesting that people are saying there is a racism problem within the game here. After playing in Wellington for six years I can't recall ever seeing or hearing any type racism at all.

I would imagine that it would depend on how many international players you had played along side in this time. In my 10 years with wgtn footy I can clearly remember 7 instances, but then I have played alone side or coached international players for 8 of those years.