Mainland Premier League (Part 1)

Yes. Nomads United in 1994,
They had semi final apperances plenty of times after that v Lynn Avon or 3 Kings and the like but would fail to get past the Auckland clubs.
Nomads at the time had several NZ players in their team.
As Coastal have found out being the best in the South Island is far from enough to win the trophy.
Hopefully Coastal can get back to next years final and build on the experiance from yesterday.

Richmond win final game, from the Nelson Mail.

This weekend action:

Nice to see one club is cleaning up on Sunday, well done to Avonhead AFC, can't call it Avonhead Tavern anymore.
Sunday League finals have gone down hill in the choice of venues.
From Denton Park, English Park, QE2 then back to English Park now Prebbleton Res. At least it will have changing rooms & showers.

The trophy is the 2nd team cup so B vs C ain't too much too write home about. Agree about venue tho, prebbleton just happens to be the Sunday league president's home pub. All good, another trophy for coastal's cabinet.

South Island Championship Final

ouch. full strength sides there AW82?

Coastal beat FC Twenty 3-0 in the women's Rita Fitz cup so I think that is them through to the final to play Western.

Good game, should've been a few more goals for both sides, both teams didn't play well with the wind, the last three tech goals were outstanding, goalie had no chance.

One of the Ferrymead players was overheard coming off at halftime saying that they had it in the bag.....apart from the front two,  (Kamo was class & probably worth $300 a game?) they didn't really offer much, cant believe they won your league?

Me either. They were just lucky all the other teams took points off each other on a regular basis.

you get what you pay for.

Coastal to win the RF Cup and I think the Bolam Final is this arvo.
which club will win the overall trophy?

AllWhites822011-09-04 16:11:22

FC2011

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Good game, should've been a few more goals for both sides, both teams didn't play well with the wind, the last three tech goals were outstanding, goalie had no chance.

One of the Ferrymead players was overheard coming off at halftime saying that they had it in the bag.....apart from the front two,  (Kamo was class & probably worth $300 a game?) they didn't really offer much, cant believe they won your league?
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Wester beat FC2011 in a warm up game for the English Cup final.
Has anyone heard of the MPL clubs having a meeting to get a ten team MPL plus the PDL league to mirror the MPL draw?
Mainland not being invited to the meeting will be the only way to get the
two leagues to run side by side.
Don't know which club would be the tenth one, Richmond mat reconsider it with only eight trips req'd.
In saying that Richmond may be in if double headers are played on the weekends they come south, keep costs down

I don't know what form, when or who did a review but if Mainland Football staff did it it will be a half cock review, just like requiring clubs to meet a minimum standard of facilities and pitch to be in the MPL for the last three years, Yeah Right.
It maybe that Mainland Football may have a fight on their hands to stop it? We only have the PDL as it is at present because that is what Alan Walker wants not the majority of clubs.
Remember they [Minland Staff] are employed to run football for the clubs who pay their wages.
Watch this space for news as and when it does the rounds.

sounds like soccer south, they dont listen to the clubs and when we ask for something they do the oppersite

I cant see a 10 team MPL coming, mainland want mens div1 stronger (quite rightly too, Cashmere, Selwyn and Pap redwood should all be capable of putting a team in there), I cant see how making the top flight bigger will help the current situation

The sooner PDL is fixed the better though, 15 team league is stoopid

Can't believe some of the bulls**t thats written on here. I watched the Bays game in Dunedin and me a CSFC supporter. Bays were without 3 players, went 1 down after 3 mins and had a player go off injured after 10 mins. They then outplayed Dunedin for most of the first half and ought to have scored more goals. Tech were the better side in the second half and took their chances well to run out deserved winners, but could have been different, all about taking chances. Now RONALDOKNOW how can you say Bays were lucky to win the league. They lost only 2 games in 21.. Nelson lost 7 and we lost 8.. get real.. Heard Korouch has made some new signing already. Will be interesting next season.

How? Let me think ...... hmmmmm ...... they drew 6 games, the highest number of draws of any winning team in the past 5 years. They only won 13 games, the lowest number of any winning team for yonks. They won by 11 clear points in a league with the lowest points spread in the history of the competition (27) which demonstrates the fact that other teams lost the title by dropping points to lower ranked teams rather than Bays winning it. All the same full credit to Bays for getting their noses in front of a very even field and staying their down the home straight. To be honest the only team that could probably have bettered them was Nelson who fell off the wagon once Feni became injured. It will be interesting to see if they can retain their depth having won the Premier League and PDL title or will they go the same way as Woolston Tech who notched up both titles last year before hitting the wall this season.
And yep new signings already and plenty of interest in Coastal for next year so I hear.

Ken, it should've been something like 3-3 at halftime if both sides had taken their chances, tech also had some good ones if you can remember. You're right about the game of two halves with both teams playing better going into the strong gale.

When i referred to them not really offering much, i was probably thinking more of the second half sorry but they didn't really test the tech keeper unlike Highfield, that save from Burgess was one of the best i've see this year. Tech were also missing Tim Myers by the way, what starters were missing for Bays? Collins?

I've been hearing that rumour for years, along with the burwood-parklands merger more recently. Should be a really strong club if the Cashmere - Tech one finally happens

10 team Premier League with PDL to mirror?
Not sure how that happens with Nelson in the mix. Look at Richmond's decision.

Premier league, PDL/Reserves, Div 1 and 17/18 all needs a shake-up doesn't it?
And it needs to be looked at holistically FFS.

Do all 2011 DIV 1 clubs even aspire to Premier league? Universities, Parklands, Selwyn, Waimak, Mid Canty? And if basis of Premier League was a Reserve team too (with or without age criteria) how feasible would that be for those clubs? My point is current DIV 1 as promotion pathway to Premier League looks to have become out-dated. Modern club thinking is based around total football development across all ages. Some clubs just aren't interested/able to deliver that - so they need to either merge in order to do so or become a junior and/or feeder club (this system works well in various Aussie sports - notably Victorian Aussie Rules).

The larger/more successful clubs will want appropriate levels of competition in which to develop players. That means Premier, Reserves, Div 1 and maybe Super Youth (U16/17/18) as current 15 div 1, 17 div 1, 18 div 1 schools/clubs is a bit of a shambles. There needs to be some logical rules around player movement between those leagues. Perhaps for those div 1 clubs with aspirations, they should run super youth team plus div 1 so that at least they have basis of a squad that could be promoted to Premier & Reserves?

My information is that Cashmere and Technical merger is looking more likely but issues over name.

Any news on Danny's boys?

Scuttlebutt: heard Jose Matiz (formerly at Coastal and most recently Bays Junior Development) has returned home to Chile.

And may be back. Gone home to sort out his visa.

Good for Chch if he gets back

Junior Rep teams announced tonight/tomorrow
anyone go to any trials?

Div I is a farce at the moment with Western having their 3rd team finish 3rd in a 6 team league.
Promotes strrong enough teams for MPL promotion, Yeah Right.
Coastal being an exception, should never have been down there, but won't start that again.
Mainland are trying to make Div1 a viable league, well that won't happen if Nomads start putting decent scores past a few teams in the early games next year.
Remember with a part reserve team they beat top div 1 team FC2011 this year 6-0. Only in one game did FC2011 [or any other team] score 6 goals in that league for 9 wins & 6 draws.
I hear Parklands have almost canned having a team in Div1 next year, looking more at the youth grades and PDL.
Nomads are working on there team make up for next year already with the 1st team POY for 2010 playing only about half a game this year will be like having a new signing next season.
If 1st team players from this year jump ship it will give some of the younger bench players plenty of game time.
Saw Kate while out today and although disappointed they are in Div 1 some 1st team players are looking at the challange of playing PDL.

Boys: have heard 15s, 14s, 13s processes were thorough. Some confusion around status of players selected or trialling for NTC, though. Also, 10s was a farce - to such a degree that i would imagine many newbie parents would be turned off the whole thing.

yeah some difference in what was told pre-trial and what the players got told there
if you miss the NZTC cut you go back into the rep side

10's Boys a farce eh, last years wasn't very good either IMO.  Hopefully next year is better.

11's 12's 13's Boys  all looked good from the limited amount I got to see on Sunday.
foal302011-09-08 18:38:12

How about this - make Div 1 a Federation League (i.e. Premier League Div 2 or Championship or whatever) 8 teams to mirror 8 team Premier League. MPL & MPL Div2 play 2 rounds. Top 4 teams in MPL go off to South Island League, bring top 4 Div 2 teams up and play further round with top 4 going into MPL for next season? 8 Div 2 teams Nomads, Waimak, Parklands, Mid Cant, Varsities, Richmond, Blenheim Valley, Selwyn or Pap Redwood.

Mainland to pay half travelling costs of all teams in Div 2 and full travelling costs of all teams in MPL (to encourage teams to gain MPL status). Could also work with 2 groups of 6?

How about this - make Div 1 a Federation League (i.e. Premier League Div 2 or Championship or whatever) 8 teams to mirror 8 team Premier League. MPL & MPL Div2 play 2 rounds. Top 4 teams in MPL go off to South Island League, bring top 4 Div 2 teams up and play further round with top 4 going into MPL for next season? 8 Div 2 teams Nomads, Waimak, Parklands, Mid Cant, Varsities, Richmond, Blenheim Valley, Selwyn or Pap Redwood.

Mainland to pay half travelling costs of all teams in Div 2 and full travelling costs of all teams in MPL (to encourage teams to gain MPL status). Could also work with 2 groups of 6?[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. For me this issue (the one ive made bold) is because PDL is getting younger and younger by the year. Clubs want to get the top young players in to their PDL/MPL/Div 1 teams earlier than they did 5-7 years ago.

Super youth (what is now the U/18s) once was a decent competition. If clubs stopped skipping kids from 14s/15s straight to mens grades we'd have decent youth leagues, increased youth numbers and probably see bigger numbers in the mens...

Better youth league at 16-18 years: Having a stonger super youth comp would be better for the region long term. If even 6 of the 8 MPL teams put in a decent under 16s team against the schools in the 18s it'd be a much better comp. Some of the clubs seem to save it for the kids who arent good enough for mens league at all.

Bigger numbers: kids drop off after 14s/15s for some reason; I suspect that this is because their friends players X & Y get selected for MPL/PDL and they don't. The club doesn't really have a home for them and off they go.

Because the younger players would stay with the youth ranks longer the mens players might stick around a bit, rather than being shuffled down to div 3 or whatever because a 16 year old has been brought it.

The secondary schools need to be isolated. They do nothing for football. Senior level will be stronger when clubs have a clear path through the age grades. Leaking players to schools helps no one, and only increases the myth that some schools are better than others.

Without organized and strong junior football we will never establish Senior Football to where (I guess) a lot of us think it could/should be in Chch. I fail to see how losing top players for 2 seasons because of school regs is permissible/desired. 

that is not to say the problems with our youth level football is entirely the problem of the school set up.

The whole PDL= youth development or a Reserve squad is key but a lot also depends on the club's football philosophy i reckon. Which one is your club most like?
Man City (recent!) - we'll buy a premiership; that's all that matters
Man Utd (season so far) - we'll blood youth who have good credentials and decent top flight experience (via loans), as long as it is balanced by older squad members
Arsenal - we'll develop young players who play pretty tippy tappy - but take our eye off the ball and not keep a solid experienced spine
Sunderland/Wigan - develop as 'feeder' club - give up & comers 1st team experience on loan in hope for discards at the other end of their playing life
Everton - tidy & frugal but ultimately going nowhere really
Liverpool - bring in once-was hero to inject new passion - which will ultimately be short-lived
Blackeye Rovers - new owners with big dreams that have an ice-cubes chance in hell of attracting star players (except they hope to tap into a billion people 'cos the owners are Indian)
Barca - long term player development philosophy that is consistent from 5 year olds thru to champions league
Ajax - football development factory

So, what are the local clubs' football philosophies do you reckon?

Nelson Suburbs is purely for development. You look at how young each player is and the fact that as soon as they're 18/19 they leave. That might change with a new coach, but John Slotemaker once told me if they had the money they could win the league, but they don't, so they're developing players and that's the major focus.

I think it would be fair to say that both
Coastal and FCTwenty

have a coaching network where principles/pathways/concepts / ideology is formed to try and develop a Club 'way of playing'.

for instance formation = 4-3-3

The problem is our system in chch is retarded compared to Wellington and Auckland.

Up there kids play for their school AND their club - best of both worlds, the kid gets the pride of repping their school and the development at club level. Look at the national school boys comps - the regions where this is common practice and is allowed are the ones that are strongest. Funnily enough these are also the regions better represented at U/17, U/20 and olympic trial/squad level.

Because one club *cough* Se____ *cough* threw the toys out of the cot this practice was canned in canty.

As I said a few pages back in this thread - take MPL/PDL/Div 1 and drop them on a sunday and let the kids do both again. The prem leagues get better support, the kids get to do both and the Us vs Them mentality between schools and clubs is gone
gings2011-09-07 17:48:45