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about 12 years ago

Thought Onehunga ( wynrs ) appealed ove a waitakere  player also ?...

Will onehunga be banned for a season ?


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about 12 years ago
Big T wrote:

Thought Onehunga ( wynrs ) appealed ove a waitakere  player also ?...

Will onehunga be banned for a season ?



Almost certainly not! 

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about 12 years ago

You guys are quite hysterical about this.


The rules are a shambles, for sure, and NZF do a shithouse job of running competitions for the most part, there's no doubt there.


But banning a club for a season because they played a player whose eligibility they had enquired about and been given the okay on?


Honestly. Move on.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 12 years ago

Seriously the word I am getting is if clubs up there do not get their s----- sorted over these rule abuses NZF and Nike will wipe their hands. Nike not that happy that Aussie sides not getting through as it is. NZ rep 2 out of last 3 got to World finals.

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about 12 years ago
2Boys wrote:

Not sure where the "loan" story started but it is totally inaccurate from what I have been told.

The situation as I have had it explained to me is as follows:

- The player in question has had an association with Wynton for some time, thru ethnic football etc. and was part of a Wynrs Academy tour to the UK in 2012 http://www.wynrs.co.nz/wynrsauckland/page120/page4/page5/page7/

- At the start of 2013 he was part of ECB setup for the 2013 MUPC (like most kids and their parents he had no idea of the rules and the implications for turning out for ECB. NB: This year is the first year that I understand the MUPC handbook has been accessible via the AFF website. One questions how enforceable the rules would be in law given there is no contract signed etc. etc.)

- After turning out for ECB the kid then decided he wanted to play for Onehunga Sports in 2013. But the MUPC rules prevented this and the kid then found out he wouldn't be able to play for Onehunga Sports in the 2014 MUPC. Apparently he decided he would then sit out the 2013 winter season to enable the transfer to be completed. But ECB wanted him to play for their 14th & 15th Metro teams so a plan was confirmed, (apparently in consultation with the then CEO of NZF who obviously had strong links to ECB) whereby ECB wrote a letter confirming the kid would be released to play for Onehunga Sports in the 2014 MUPC and winter season. The letter was apparently prepared in April 2013 prior to the winter season commencing and acknowledged by ECB secretary / the then NZF CEO / & Wynton. (Apparently the 2013 version of the MUPC rules referred to players representing the club they played for in the previous winter season hence the declaration was seen as overriding this proviso. In the 2014 version of the rules, released in December 2013 this was changed to who the player was registered with as at the 30th Sept 2013)

- The player duly played the 2013 winter season for ECB and his transfer to Onehunga was apparently completed in Oct 2013 (after the transfer window opened again post the 30th Sept) (ref NZF Reg 5 clause 7.1.6)

- When Onehunga completed their entry the letter accompanied the team list as justification for the player not meeting the 30th Sept criteria. Apparently Akld football questioned this with NZF and the player was cleared to play.

- In the days / weeks leading up to the Auckland qualifiers apparently noises where being made by certain clubs from north of the bridge as to the players eligibility. Whilst Onehunga were advised by AFF / NZF the player was cleared to play it was however pointed out that there was a path of appeal to the NZF Appeals Committee, and that whilst unlikely a successful appeal could ultimately overturn the current eligibility ruling and result in the loss of points for any game the player played in per the MUPC rules.

- Onehunga then played the player in their final qualifying game of the Auckland round when they had already secured 6 points and were assured of a finals weekend berth. Ellerslie then obliged by appealing to gain the certainty desired by all parties. The matter was referred to the NZF Appeal Committee who apparently produced 5 pages of commentary but ultimately thru the appeal out and kicked for touch on the basis NZF had not ruled on the matter and as such the matter should not have been referred to them (go figure!)

 - So the tournament progressed a further 2 weekends to the Northern Region qualifiers where Onehunga then were able to include the player on the team card and he took the field again in game 8 (a dead rubber again they had secured sufficient points to qualify for the NZ finals.) Waitakere then appealed his involvement in this game and the Appeal Committee Ruled in their favour on the Thursday evening before the finals weekend and the player was removed from the Onehunga team list. I haven't heard if anyone has formally seen the basis for the Appeals Committee decision although I understand it hadn't been issued at the time of the final's weekend?

So the rest is history Waitakere won the final and are now Australia bound in May, Good Luck to them!

Onehunga chose not to appeal or drag the competition through the muck further. However as I understand it some question marks exist over the validity of players used in the 2013 Northern region finals and the 2014 National Finals. Having dug deeper I understand in 2013 & 2014 players from WaiBop federation clubs transferred to an Auckland Region club for the MUPC on the basis of a shift of over 50km for schooling etc. (Ref NZF regulation 5 rule 7.1.8) which was apparently sighted as the basis on which this is permitted.

http://aff.org.nz/fileadmin/user_upload/Files/Downloads/Regulations/2013/Regulation_5_-_2013_Final_appvd_by_Board.pdf

Having reviewed this it would appear this interpretation is flawed and fails to apply all relevant clauses as it is intended:

1. The MUPC rules establish their own definitive position on player eligibility and make no reference to NZF regulation 5 etc. unlike other parts of the MUPC rules eg disciplinary matters that refer to NZF regulation 7. From re reading the MUPC rules the clear intent of these rules are that players represent the clubs they played for in the previous winter season (i.e. whom they were registered with as at the 30th Sept)

2. Even if you accept there is a basis to consider NZF Reg 5. Reg 5 clause 7.1.8 specifically refers to the dates of 1st July to 30th Sept (the closed transfer period) which are setout in an earlier clause 7.1.6. As such, surely it is not valid to apply this rule outside of these dates and in a situation where the transfer is completed in Feb only days before the competition starts (NB Feb is obviously the open transfer period, but player eligibility fails on the basis of not meeting the 30th Sept criteria)

Surely per the MUPC rules the players should be playing for their WaiBop clubs in the MUPC (the club for whom they were registered with as at the 30th Sept / played the previous winter season? Or simply missing out as 100’s of kids who play for clubs who don’t enter have too?)

Having read all the reg’s it would seem that having played in the MUPC for the club who they were registered with as at the 30th Sept the correct approach is that they should then seek to have NZF Reg 5, clause 7.1.9 applied (exceptional circumstances) to enable them to shift to a local club post the MUPC for the winter season, when per the MUPC rules they would ordinarily be prevented from transferring!

Aren’t we all lucky no one has decided to pursue this matter! Maybe Mr T and others who have been so vocal re cheating etc. would like to see this matter pursued, and the club(s) involved banned? And I wouldn’t mind betting we don’t see any players being permitted on the basis of this interpretation in 2015


a bit different to what i heard from pretty close to the situation - but hey i'm not surprised the issue isn't clear cut.

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almost 12 years ago

Question for everyone if you were running the Nike cup what would the competition look like.

UNDERDOG: One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle 

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almost 12 years ago
footballnut wrote:

Question for everyone if you were running the Nike cup what would the competition look like.

 

I think they've got the format about right but the rules are a shambles.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

Australasian finals this weekend in Sydney, only 5 teams?

Sutherland Sharks (NSW), Campbelltown City (SA), Beachside FC (TAS), Perth SC (WA) and Waitakere City being hosted by Western Sydney Wanderers.


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almost 12 years ago

Waitakere won the final 1-0 after extra time it would seem

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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almost 12 years ago

Odd finals structure this year? Recently I think it has been state winners plus regional NSW and nz. This year, teams from minnows Tassie and Perth, 2 from Sydney but none from Victorian or queensland; or were they knocked out prior? Brilliant for NZ again though.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 11 years ago

Waitakere holding their hands up in the UK - 2 draws in 2 games, good on them!

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over 11 years ago

nzaddick wrote:

Waitakere holding their hands up in the UK - 2 draws in 2 games, good on them!

Sounds like the world cup, is Ricki their coach?

A dog with a bone :)

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over 11 years ago

Manchester United's decline continues - finishing below Waitakere in their own youth tournament !!!!

http://manchesterunitedpremiercup.com/news/2014-08...

13th AKA STURM GRAZ AUSTRIA

14th WAITAKERE FC NEW ZEALAND

15th MANCHESTER UNITED ENGLAND

16th WESTON FC USA

17th AC ROSARIO CENTRAL ARGENTINA

18th MAMELODI SUNDOWNS SOUTH AFRICA

19th SHANDONG LUNENG FC CHINA

20th AC THONBURI THAILAND

Waitakere drew with AS Roma, Rosario Central and Malmo and lost 2-0 to Chelsea in group play.

http://manchesterunitedpremiercup.com/news/2014-08...

"New Zealand team Waitakere City took AS Roma by surprise in the first match, opening the scoring in a 1:1 draw, and picked up another point against CA Rosario Central."

http://manchesterunitedpremiercup.com/news/2014-08...

"Chelsea's dramatic 2:0 win over New Zealand's resilient Waitakere City ensured their position at the top of Group A on goal difference at the Manchester United Premier Cup World Finals."

http://manchesterunitedpremiercup.com/world-finals...

GROUP A FINAL TABLE

Team P W D L Pts

Chelsea 4 2 1 1 7

FCMalmo FF 4 2 1 1 7

AS Roma 4 1 3 0 6

Waitakere 4 0 3 1 3

Rosario 4 0 2 2 2

In the second placement round, beat US rep Weston FC 1-0, and lost to Sturm Graz on pens after a 1-1 draw:

http://manchesterunitedpremiercup.com/world-finals...

Semis:

Valencia beat Right to Dream (Ghana) 3-1

Dynamo Moscow beat Hertha Berlin 5-3

Final:

Dynamo Moscow beat Valencia 1-0 in the Final.  

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 11 years ago

Probably due a new thread (Nike Cup 2015), however.....

With Nike's ManUre sponsorship coming to an end next year, I have heard some comment that there will not be another Nike/MUPC cup until 2016 at least - perhaps Adidas Cup then?

Anybody 'in the know' that can shed some light on this speculation??

cheers

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over 11 years ago

I would prefer an Adidas Cup myself, given that Nike have production facilities in the occupied West Bank

You can ascertain what your opponent is afraid of by observing the means by which he attempts to frighten you



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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Can these boys play in the 2015  addition?

Auckland Football Federation

Clearances

Source                       Dest.                              Player Name                            App.                                 DateFinalisation

Three Kings United   Onehunga Sports           Bennett, Dylan                         7/09/2014

Waitakere                  Onehunga Sports           Spragg, Charles                      4/09/2014                        2/10/2014

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over 11 years ago

if the rules are the same as this year, then my understanding is that they cannot.

If they let them play, then there will be other teams that will have to also be allowed to have players signed during this time

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over 11 years ago

Par for the course to see this sort of thing from Wynrs. 

There are a couple of stories doing the rounds about these transfers;

a.  Both players will not be used in Nike Cup until the team travels to Oz for the Australasian Final (presumptuous anyone ?)

b.  A legal challenge to Nike Cup player eligibility restrictions is being prepared so that both boys can play NZ leg of Nike Cup.

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over 11 years ago

surely the same rules apply worldwide

Let us know if there is a rule change from end of June rule. Thanks.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 11 years ago

foal30 wrote:

surely the same rules apply worldwide

Let us know if there is a rule change from end of June rule. Thanks.

There are a whole lot of local rules put in place by NZF & Federations around this tournament in recent years to stop all the player poaching and teams moving en-masse from club to club.  Nike Cup is a constant headache to NZF & the Federations (see above example as to why).

No word yet on rules for the 2015 Cup (assuming there is to be one), but not unusual for NZF to be dragging their heels (or is that knuckles?) on this.

Even without those Wynrs boys being eligible for NZ leg of competition, can't see any serious competition to Onehunga cleaning-up on the AFF side of the draw.

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over 11 years ago

foal30 wrote:

surely the same rules apply worldwide

Let us know if there is a rule change from end of June rule. Thanks.

 

Not even close.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

Thanks  guys.

Quite odd we have our own flavor of rules  for an international comp.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 11 years ago

foal30 wrote:

Thanks  guys.

Quite odd we have our own flavor of rules  for an international comp.

 

Not really. Each confederation has its own rules for world cup qualification too...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

I think the rules we have around player eligibility were in response to some people point the finger at certain clubs around poaching players for this tournament - these rules are meant to stop this happening.

Also I believe (but not 100% sure) that the squad you name for the local qualifiers is the same squad you have to use throughout the qualification stage (so in Aussie as well).  

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over 11 years ago
No big problem as from the chatter around sounds like no Nike cup 2015

UNDERDOG: One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle 

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

nzaddick wrote:

if the rules are the same as this year, then my understanding is that they cannot.

If they let them play, then there will be other teams that will have to also be allowed to have players signed during this time

Guys,

The players are pursuing transfers now so that they are eligible. See the 2014 version of the rules (finalised in Dec. 2013!)

http://aff.org.nz/fileadmin/user_upload/Files/Downloads/Regulations/2014/2014_MUPC_NZ_Finals_Tournament_Handbook.pdf

This established 30 Sept as the cut off date and removed reference to "who a player played the prior winter season for", which from memory was Fred de Jong's handy work.

4.6. Players can only play in the MUPC 2014 for the club with which they were registered as at 30 September 2013. After having made an appearance in any match in MUPC 2014, the player must then remain with that club for the duration of the 2014 winter season.

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over 11 years ago

so since neither of the transfers were completed before the 30th of September (one still outstanding) then one can assume they are not able to play for OS in the Nike Cup (should it happen).

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over 11 years ago

footballnut wrote:
No big problem as from the chatter around sounds like no Nike cup 2015
Chatter from who? That might piss a few people off.

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over 11 years ago

chopah wrote:

so since neither of the transfers were completed before the 30th of September (one still outstanding) then one can assume they are not able to play for OS in the Nike Cup (should it happen).

Sounds like there may be some confusion as to rule 4.6, or at least the belief that the wording is vague.

4.6. Players can only play in the MUPC 2014 for the club with which they were registered as at 30 September 2013.

Given the transfer window does NOT open until October 1st, it seems pretty clear that this rule was specifically put in place to prevent the type of club-hopping we have seen in past years. You can get your transfer request into the system anytime during September, but as of September 30 you will still be registered for your current club as the transfer window is still closed. Not sure how this can be mis-interpreted or considered vague.  God does love a tryer though...

All this assuming that the rule remains the same for 2015 incarnation of the Nike Cup (if there is one).

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over 11 years ago

So is the Nike Cup officially off? Any word on this?

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over 11 years ago

footballnut wrote:
No big problem as from the chatter around sounds like no Nike cup 2015

Heard this last night - no sponsorship for foreseeable future. Anyone close to NZF? reliable sources?

TBH would be quite a relief as would get rid of some of that ridiculous pre-season positioning. Judging by some of the parental behaviour I witnessed at this year's competition, that aspect wont be missed.

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over 11 years ago

yeah if NZF don't know by now it ain't looking good. 

Just hot an email from Mainland to prepare as if it is on and if its not have some kind of pre season tournament I stead. Works for me. :)

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over 11 years ago

Word overnight is that Nike Cup will run in 2015 ...

Northern Regional Qualifier looks to be weekend of Feb 28 / Mar 1 with NZ Finals on March 14 & 15.

World Finals need to take place before end of current EPL season as that is when the Nike contract with Manchester United expires.

Expect Wynrs to be short odds to win NZ leg of the comp - especially if they manage to sneak exemptions through for a couple of players they are trying to transfer in.

Let the games begin !

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over 11 years ago

Now just sit back and watch Wynrs start to position themselves with exemptions to the transfer rules........

Alongside enjoying a standard of sideline - based parental behaviour reaching new lows.....

Nike Cup - gotta love it!

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over 11 years ago

What's the haps with Wynrs now that Hiro and Leigh are working for the Phoenix?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

Same programme, different channel from what I hear

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about 11 years ago

"Word overnight is that Nike Cup will run in 2015 ...

Northern Regional Qualifier looks to be weekend of Feb 28 / Mar 1 with NZ Finals on March 14 & 15."

Does anyone have any updates on this competition?  ( Like any other regional qualifying dates across the country? ) Leaving it  a bit late to confirm if going ahead or not.

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about 11 years ago
$200 entry fee plus $100 good behaviour bond Entries close 12 Jan Look's like Waitangi weekend is playoffs Mainland

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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about 11 years ago

no regulations for this comp have been received from NZF

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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about 11 years ago

That finals weekend of March 14/15 clashes with TOL

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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