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A League Expansion

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about 12 years ago

Expansion in NZ can only be Auckland based on the population base. A new entity needs to be set up (not acfc in disguise) like they did in Aussie (no old NSL sides) and run by a Breakers type general manager who is proactive in getting the crowds in and the right mix of products on show. Other thoughts are to run a financial model that doesn't rely on large crowd numbers to balance the books, redevelop or develop a smaller stadium that caters to a 10-15,000 crowd (bigger games go to Eden Park), start out with an ADP type marquee to get immediate traction with the public.... oh and find a rich guy or consortium that are willing to spend money for little return in the first 5 or so years.

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When Heart are bought out by the kiwi consortium, they're going to move the whole franchise to Auckland!


Harbour City Heart.




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about 12 years ago

.... oh and find a rich guy or consortium that are willing to spend money for little return in the first 5 or so years.



Bayern Auckland?

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about 12 years ago
NHpeter wrote:

Personally I would love to have another team in Auckland, Just so I can get out and watch some football every week. 


Wow!? What's that shirt on your avatar?

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago

Dotcoms not that rich he also has a rep for not paying ppl on time if at all


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about 12 years ago
TV wrote:

Dotcoms not that rich he also has a rep for not paying ppl on time if at all


Sounds like a club owner then.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 12 years ago
TV wrote:

Dotcoms not that rich he also has a rep for not paying ppl on time if at all

You are asking for the obvious with that comment
--- but I'll bite my toungue
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about 12 years ago

I can see some positives around a second NZ team. Less traveling around NZ so more home games actually at home. It would have to help crowd numbers with more interest from the around the country. As well as a kiwi derby who wouldn't love a wellington v Auckland rivalry In the aleague

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about 12 years ago
jtan wrote:

I can see some positives around a second NZ team. Less traveling around NZ so more home games actually at home. It would have to help crowd numbers with more interest from the around the country. As well as a kiwi derby who wouldn't love a wellington v Auckland rivalry In the aleague


Aye!


"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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about 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Yeah. We should resurrect the Kingz. Strong local support for it.

Yes would be nice to have an Auckland team again!

Needs a new name and branding though. Kingz sounds gay sorry...

Wonder though if people would get behind it?

Now that the Nix have spread around the country

I was taking the piss. An A league team in Auckland has PROVEN it won't work so no - we do not need a team in Auckland.

Holy shit! I wholeheartedly agree.

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago
Could or would I want to support a Chch team now that I'm a Nix Fan?

 


This, in my opinion, is one of the key issues that would mean a 2nd A-League team would be a disaster.

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago
jtan wrote:

As well as a kiwi derby who wouldn't love a wellington v Auckland rivalry


Apparently about 150. As previously posted on another thread at the TW v ACFC game last month if you took away the City fans, the TW players parents, Maureen at the bar and Bill on the gate then there were roughly 2 people at the game.

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago

Neg bunch. Trends change. Auck team may well work again.


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about 12 years ago
alireggae wrote:
jtan wrote:

As well as a kiwi derby who wouldn't love a wellington v Auckland rivalry


Apparently about 150. As previously posted on another thread at the TW v ACFC game last month if you took away the City fans, the TW players parents, Maureen at the bar and Bill on the gate then there were roughly 2 people at the game.

Yawn. 
Are you ever going to stop making EVERYTHING about your petty little agenda? 
This thread is about A league expansion. 

Allegedly

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about 12 years ago
TV wrote:

Neg bunch. Trends change. Auck team may well work again.

maybe, but I'd prefer it was in Chch before giving the auckland lot a third shot at making a club work, they failed miserably with the Knights and Kingz.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 12 years ago

The Kingz and Knights were essentially reincarnations of the same club weren't they? like Nix Mk 1 [TYerry] and nix Mk 2 [Welnix]

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about 12 years ago

Yeh they just swapped the z for an ht

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
alireggae wrote:
jtan wrote:

As well as a kiwi derby who wouldn't love a wellington v Auckland rivalry


Apparently about 150. As previously posted on another thread at the TW v ACFC game last month if you took away the City fans, the TW players parents, Maureen at the bar and Bill on the gate then there were roughly 2 people at the game.

Yawn. 

Are you ever going to stop making EVERYTHING about your petty little agenda? 

This thread is about A league expansion. 



YEAH !!
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about 12 years ago
Traitor wrote:

"Sydney City", everyone knows we're Sydney Hakoah!




Ha is the Hakoah club still there ?
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about 12 years ago
FU BLU wrote:
Traitor wrote:

"Sydney City", everyone knows we're Sydney Hakoah!




Ha is the Hakoah club still there ?

Demolished 3 years ago (I work/bludge in that area for the local council).
Rebuild was finished this year & it's a flash joint, appartments, HArris Farm Vege/Deli & somewhere in there there's a club..

If you meant the team, I've no idea.

"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert

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about 12 years ago

If it is Christchurch, then we could play them in the Earthquake Derby

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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about 12 years ago

Expansion in NZ can only be Auckland based on the population base. A new entity needs to be set up (not acfc in disguise) like they did in Aussie (no old NSL sides) and run by a Breakers type general manager who is proactive in getting the crowds in and the right mix of products on show. Other thoughts are to run a financial model that doesn't rely on large crowd numbers to balance the books, redevelop or develop a smaller stadium that caters to a 10-15,000 crowd (bigger games go to Eden Park), start out with an ADP type marquee to get immediate traction with the public.... oh and find a rich guy or consortium that are willing to spend money for little return in the first 5 or so years.


As much as I think the previous form suggests it isn't a good bet.  If there was a rich sugar daddy or daddies (or mummies) bankrollling a Dorkland team, I'd like this scenario better than a ChCh-Wgtn rivalry.
An A-League team up there might make the knitters even more bitter and twisted and the supporters could model themselves on RBB, complete with flares and poznans and random acts of violence.
Especially when we smesh em!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 12 years ago

Poznans ?

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about 12 years ago

when they face away from the field and jump up and down basically ignoring the game - pretty strange mode of support.

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about 12 years ago

it'd look very silly up here ...and Id probably spill my drink ...

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about 12 years ago
alireggae wrote:
NHpeter wrote:

Personally I would love to have another team in Auckland, Just so I can get out and watch some football every week. 


Wow!? What's that shirt on your avatar?


I don't have it on there because of the shirt. I have it for the player who played at bays. Tbh not really into the Asb Prem
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about 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:

If it is Christchurch, then we could play them in the Earthquake Derby


"The Christchurch Earthquakes"?  The MLS would sue the pants off us.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago

Nah, just make it the Christchurch Earthquakez

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago
NHpeter wrote:
alireggae wrote:
NHpeter wrote:

Personally I would love to have another team in Auckland, Just so I can get out and watch some football every week. 


Wow!? What's that shirt on your avatar?


I don't have it on there because of the shirt. I have it for the player who played at bays. Tbh not really into the Asb Prem


No ?
Color me shocked ...
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about 12 years ago

So Gareth says he'd consider investing in an Auckland A-League team. Is this more of him just saying something to stir the pot because he feels it will never happen or is he being legitimate in his interest?

This is the first person with some money coming out and saying this - any chance it could happen? Not right now but maybe in a couple of years.




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about 12 years ago
Wibblebutt wrote:

So Gareth says he'd consider investing in an Auckland A-League team. Is this more of him just saying something to stir the pot because he feels it will never happen or is he being legitimate in his interest?

This is the first person with some money coming out and saying this - any chance it could happen? Not right now but maybe in a couple of years.


Linky?
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about 12 years ago
Everton wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

So Gareth says he'd consider investing in an Auckland A-League team. Is this more of him just saying something to stir the pot because he feels it will never happen or is he being legitimate in his interest?

This is the first person with some money coming out and saying this - any chance it could happen? Not right now but maybe in a couple of years.


Linky?



Near the end of the article.



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about 12 years ago

I posted it earlier today in a wrong thread.

Unless NZ is allowed to join AFC (Asian federation) we should not even bother with planning another A-League club. This would only be baiting the trolls in Australia and unlikely to have any legs until the FIFA, OFC and AFC all agree.
Of course the FFA themselves would be happy to have one more financially stable HAL franchise. But moving us into AFC would make Oceania federation (OFC) fall over.  We may talk about our currently easy entry to World Club champs etc, but apart from that our other duty is to prop up the reasons to have the OFC. Are the OFC dignitaries happy to be moved out of Auckland and relocated to New Caledonia or Fiji? Are the NZF interested in reporting to AFC in Qatar rather than to an OFC office in Auckland? Would Bin Hamman be interested in us adding to the competition for the already limited Asian spots at the World Cup? Middle Eastern nations have always played like crap at WC finals and if an extra spot is added, we would provide stiff competition to them (if we can afford the airfares first).

Once that issue is cleared (and once we also agree that that would be beneficial for us to shift to AFC, as many might object) then we can consider having another A-League franchise to be granted to New Zealand. Auckland might work (a large city, direct flights, large international population). Money to run it would be a problem, but then we might also get more local media interest (OK, going out on a limb here).

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago

If we skipped OFC and it fell over, FIFA would just split Asia into two and drag Australia back out way along with places like Guam, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines and other places in East Asia etc. It wont work out how people think.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago
Wibblebutt wrote:
Everton wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

So Gareth says he'd consider investing in an Auckland A-League team. Is this more of him just saying something to stir the pot because he feels it will never happen or is he being legitimate in his interest?

This is the first person with some money coming out and saying this - any chance it could happen? Not right now but maybe in a couple of years.


Linky?


http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9650523/Out-with-amateurs-at-NZF-says-Gareth-Morgan


Near the end of the article.

So he would be intimately linked with 2 'rival' clubs? I dont like the thought of this at all. What happens if the Nix were top of the table and Auckland bottom for a few seasons, or vice versa, would he then deliberately turn his back on one club to get the other up or what ? Just so stupid 'owning' two clubs in one league.
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about 12 years ago

I doubt that the FFA rules would allow a single owner to have stakes in two clubs. If Gareth put money into an Auckland A-League club then I would imagine he would have to quit his Welnix membership. Anyway this is all pipe dream stuff. FFA have no immediate plans to expand the A-League and if/when they do another NZ franchise would be way down the queue. I also could not see the Asian Federation allowing another non Asia Fed club like Auckland entry into the A-league. It was hard enough to get them to agree to letting the Nix in. It would be a whole lot easier if NZ was in Asia though.


I know Gareth is a controversial person but you have to admit he does get football into the headlines. Also he does seems now to have a much better knowledge of football.....some of his latest statements about NZF etc make quite good sense


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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

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I know Gareth is a controversial person but you have to admit he does get football into the headlines. Also he does seems now to have a much better knowledge of football.....some of his latest statements about NZF etc make quite good sense


True - that's because he has decent business sense, and while it helps to have football background to run the NZF it is actually not essential. A sporting background helps, but sporting interest/passion alone is not enough if based on poor business management practice.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

I doubt that the FFA rules would allow a single owner to have stakes in two clubs. If Gareth put money into an Auckland A-League club then I would imagine he would have to quit his Welnix membership. Anyway this is all pipe dream stuff. FFA have no immediate plans to expand the A-League and if/when they do another NZ franchise would be way down the queue. I also could not see the Asian Federation allowing another non Asia Fed club like Auckland entry into the A-league. It was hard enough to get them to agree to letting the Nix in. It would be a whole lot easier if NZ was in Asia though.


I know Gareth is a controversial person but you have to admit he does get football into the headlines. Also he does seems now to have a much better knowledge of football.....some of his latest statements about NZF etc make quite good sense




Woolongong papers were talking up their chances when I was there end of last year. Just talk far as I know coz the money-man who led them to such talk was apparently experiencing 'difficulties.'

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 12 years ago


Kotahitanga. We are one.

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