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Auckland A-League Franchise 2012-13

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Auckland A-League Franchise 2012-13


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Heard some musings about a possible bid. Anyway was stumped for a name. Any suggestions?


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GCU B

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DO WANT [Is an Aucklander]

Just do not use NZ knights as name

Get a stable owner, promote it well - make an amazing derby

edit: Just make Auckland City professional - even with the current squad they'd easily finish above Perth/Furries

Just recruit some good youngins like Lovemore and Clapham - and a few quality professionals and u got a solid squad
Therk2011-02-08 01:26:42
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Was talking about this today actually. The derby would be great!

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tripvincent wrote:
Heard some musings about a possible bid. Anyway was stumped for a name. Any suggestions?


What'd you hear and who from though?
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Therk wrote:
edit: Just make Auckland City professional - even with the current squad they'd easily finish above Perth/Furries


Not. A. Chance.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Therk wrote:
edit: Just make Auckland City professional - even with the current squad they'd easily finish above Perth/Furries


Not. A. Chance.


Elaborate
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I need to go to bed, but quickly.

1, If Auckland City was chock full of A-league quality players they wouldn't be playing amateur football at Auckland City.  If the Spanish imports were that good they wouldn't be playing in the ASB Premiership.
2. David Mulligan couldn't get a game for the Phoenix yet is a standout in the ASB Premiership.
3, Compare the Perth side player for player and then come back and honestly tell me you believe that.
4. David Williams alone is better than any ASB premiership player.
5, The Phoenix reserves held a sizeable chunk of the City first team to a draw.
6, It is considered by those who have watched a decent amount of these leagues that the VPL and the NSWPL are better quality than the NZFC - it is thought to be on a par with the SA and Brisbane comps - and no VPL or NSWPL side is A-league quality.

City are a good ASB Premiership side - as are Waitak, but have a chat with Siggy one day and get his take on how big the gap between that and the A-League is.  Night and day.

Ivan is probably A-League quality but hitting the end of his career.
Hard News2011-02-08 01:39:29

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Bring it on!!

Auckland will rise once more

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If, and just if it happens, I lived in auckland for about 35 years, all of my children and wives were born there... but I would continue to support the nix as my number 1 NZ team. How about some of you?
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I'd prefer Christchurch over Auckland anyday.
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How about stupidest idea ever united?

FFS. The A-League needs solvent, profitable teams, not relentless expansion.
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Grow the teams they already have.
And Canberra would be before Auckland
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In the northern suburbs of Wellington born and raised (on the playground is where I spend most of my days ;) but living in AKL... if there were an AKL team in the A-League I would become a member and support them, except when playing the Nix, when my yellow-and-black scarf would come out and I would happily sit in the away bay at North Harbour or wherever with you guys.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
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Darwin before Auckland...
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 at turning City professional. No way would they stand a chance.
 
As an Aucklander, it would be cool to have an A-League team up here to go watch. But come on, really? Never going to work. Just ridiculous. Nobody in Auckland would come and watch it unless they were fking challenging for the title- and even then, we might almost get 2000. Would be more embarassing than Gold Coast.
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I agree with people saying that the A-League needs strong, profitable, well established teams. If teams such as Newcastle have had financial problems (by which I mean "old and established" clubs) and if most of the newest franchises seem to be struggling (including us, at least financially), how do we expect FFA to be so shortsighted as to allow another Akl team in the league?

First of all they must ensure the profitability of the league, which means that ALL TEAMS must at least brake even if not make money. Adding another NZ team at this stage is madness.
 
This being said, I would be happy to see another AKL (or a ChCh?) team in the A-League, but it has to be done at the right time and with the backing of the right people.
I would support such team over any Aus team, though I would enjoy us trashing them in every single derby, both up there and at the RoF

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If, and just if it happens, I lived in auckland for about 35 years, all of my children and wives were born there... but I would continue to support the nix as my number 1 NZ team. How about some of you?
 
I supported the Kingz and followed the Knights devoutly but I'm Phoenix 'til they die.  Which could be in a couple of weeks if the IRD have their way.

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All kidding aside, if Terry is bankrupted or whatever and the Nix fold, the next NZ A-League franchise (if any) will surely be based in Wellington as well. Although probably they'd move the licence to Canberra or Tassie.

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is no one interested in buying us out if Terry goes bust?

 

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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There were rumours but no one is going to act while Terry still has his hands on the throttle.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Therk wrote:
DO WANT [Is an Aucklander]make an amazing derby[/QUOTE]
 
[QUOTE=Tegal]The derby would be great!
 
The things that get called "derby games" in this league baffle me. A derby is between two teams from the same city. They call North Queensland vs. The Roar a "Derby".
 
That said, I am all for a second NZ franchise. I don't care if it is based in Auckland or Christchurch or Hamilton or wherever. As long as it is well structured and well funded and well run. It would seem that the Auckland market should be able to support a team. The more pathways for Rojas-esque young kiwi talent the better. To make it work there'd have to be a significant proportion of Australian players signed.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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............That said, I am all for a second NZ franchise. I don't care if it is based in Auckland or Christchurch or Hamilton or wherever. As long as it is well structured and well funded and well run. It would seem that the Auckland market should be able to support a team. The more pathways for Rojas-esque young kiwi talent the better. To make it work there'd have to be a significant proportion of Australian players signed.
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I think there are siome reasonable doubts about the depth of the Australian player base when you look at some squads this year.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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The Tards of the north?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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bwtcf wrote:
The things that get called "derby games" in this league baffle me. A derby is between two teams from the same city.


Define "city". You could make a case that Seednee vs. Salty Dogs is a derby, or even Roar vs Cold Ghost at a pinch.

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City of New Zild...

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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bwtcf wrote:
 
That said, I am all for a second NZ franchise. I don't care if it is based in Auckland or Christchurch or Hamilton or wherever. As long as it is well structured and well funded and well run.


Well, that would be a first for the A-League- a well funded and well run team!

Could we worry about that for the other 10/11 teams first? Expecting local millionaires to run football so we have something to do at the weekends is not viable- it's suicidal.

When even the Roar is f**ked to the extent of $1.5m AU - something is very, very wrong with the A-League indeed.


zonknz2011-02-08 12:18:36
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Hard News wrote:
This.
 
Indeed.
 
I completely agree that sorting out the existing franchises first is critical, and that it would be a first for the A-league. The fact that they need to be well structured, well funded and well run too does not change the fact that I would only be for an additional NZ franchise if it was well structured, well run and well funded.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Jag wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
............That said, I am all for a second NZ franchise. I don't care if it is based in Auckland or Christchurch or Hamilton or wherever. As long as it is well structured and well funded and well run. It would seem that the Auckland market should be able to support a team. The more pathways for Rojas-esque young kiwi talent the better. To make it work there'd have to be a significant proportion of Australian players signed.
 
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is no one interested in buying us out if Terry goes bust?


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Yeah perhaps Morgan would come in if Terry was willing to sell the whole thing, but untill then I doubt many people would ewant to effectively be business partners with him


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bwtcf wrote:
Therk wrote:
DO WANT [Is an Aucklander]make an amazing derby[/QUOTE]
 
[QUOTE=Tegal]The derby would be great!
 
The things that get called "derby games" in this league baffle me. A derby is between two teams from the same city. They call North Queensland vs. The Roar a "Derby".
 
That said, I am all for a second NZ franchise. I don't care if it is based in Auckland or Christchurch or Hamilton or wherever. As long as it is well structured and well funded and well run. It would seem that the Auckland market should be able to support a team. The more pathways for Rojas-esque young kiwi talent the better. To make it work there'd have to be a significant proportion of Australian players signed.
Yeah,but again you fail to remember that we aren't in England.
 
In a small country with only 2 professional teams,you can't tell me that it wouldn't be considered a derby. Especially with the tension between Auckland and Wellington football wise (with varying degrees of banter and seriousness. I.E "jaffas" to...."knitting circle")
 
 

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Hard News wrote:

I need to go to bed, but quickly.1, If Auckland City was chock full of A-league quality players they wouldn't be playing amateur football at Auckland City.� If the Spanish imports were that good they wouldn't be playing in the ASB Premiership.2. David Mulligan couldn't get a game for the Phoenix yet is a standout in the ASB Premiership.3, Compare the Perth side player for player and then come back and honestly tell me you believe that.4. David Williams alone is better than any ASB premiership player.5, The Phoenix reserves held a sizeable chunk of the City first team to a draw.6, It is considered by those who have watched a decent amount of these leagues that the VPL and the NSWPL are better quality than the NZFC - it is thought to be on a par with the SA and Brisbane comps - and no VPL or NSWPL side is A-league quality.City are a good ASB Premiership side - as are Waitak, but have a chat with Siggy one day and get his take on how big the gap between that and the A-League is.� Night and day.Ivan is probably A-League quality but hitting the end of his career.


i think you're probably right but i dont exactly see any Auckland A-League franchise resembling Auckland City. i think there are a number of players who could play in the A-League, not just Vicelich. i imagine any Auckland side would have the same amount of NZ players mixed in with Aussies and imports.


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and Mulligan is good enough to be playing in the A-League. Just because Ricki didn't play him for the Phoenix doesn't mean he's rubbish. Ricki is not always right


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I happen to agree, but if he's a standout in the ASB Premiership - which he is - but couldn't force Ricki to play him in the A-League that says to me there is a huge gap between the two competitions.
 
My responses were to the suggestion that City as they stand now would finish ahead of Perth and/or the Fury.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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tripvincent wrote:
and Mulligan is good enough to be playing in the A-League. Just because Ricki didn't play him for the Phoenix doesn't mean he's rubbish. Ricki is not always right
 
How do you know he's good enough to play in the A League? On the basis of his performances against the likes of Otago and  Hawkes Bay?
 
He was in an A League squad and wasn't deemed good enough to get on the park. He also wasn't  snapped up by another A League franchise when the Nix got shot of him. Ricki isn't always right but I'm with him on this one.
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
tripvincent wrote:
and Mulligan is good enough to be playing in the A-League. Just because Ricki didn't play him for the Phoenix doesn't mean he's rubbish. Ricki is not always right



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How do you know he's good enough to play in the A League? On the basis of his performances against the likes of Otago�and �Hawkes Bay?

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He was in an A League squad and wasn't deemed good enough to get on the park. He also wasn't� snapped up by another A League franchise when the Nix got shot of him. Ricki isn't always right but I'm with him on this one.

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and what a-league side does snap up any kiwi players? they are all pro-australian. how many kiwis play in that league? 5 outside of the phoenix? they are all about promoting their league and their players, we are all about putting them down and saying they aren't good enough.

look i think your just jumping on the bagging mulligan bandwagon.

sure the nzfc isn't of the greatest standard yet but there are a number of players who would compete in the a-league. no question. do just say only vicelich is to take giant dump on nz football and its players



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