Ufuk Talay - Ufuked off to Sydney FC

Does Ufuk Talay have complete control over player signings? Because if he does then the longer he’s not signed a contract, the greater chance the off contract players won’t be resigned. At the moment players such as Sail (who has Aus citizenship apparently), Devlin, Davila, Marinovic etc all have only a couple months on their contracts, meaning any team can approach them.

I saw Slater’s rumour that Victory are interested in both Davila and Devlin, having been linked to Talay, and it straight away gave me Rudan flashbacks. I’d find it incredibly annoying if these players weren’t resigned, or at least attempted to. I can live with them going overseas but to a different A League team wouldn’t be it. Does anyone at the Phoenix have a Director of Football role? How much scope would someone like Shaun Gill have to resign players or is it just the manager’s discretion?

Does Ufuk Talay have complete control over player signings? Because if he does then the longer he’s not signed a contract, the greater chance the off contract players won’t be resigned. At the moment players such as Sail (who has Aus citizenship apparently), Devlin, Davila, Marinovic etc all have only a couple months on their contracts, meaning any team can approach them.

I saw Slater’s rumour that Victory are interested in both Davila and Devlin, having been linked to Talay, and it straight away gave me Rudan flashbacks. I’d find it incredibly annoying if these players weren’t resigned, or at least attempted to. I can live with them going overseas but to a different A League team wouldn’t be it. Does anyone at the Phoenix have a Director of Football role? How much scope would someone like Shaun Gill have to resign players or is it just the manager’s discretion?

carlind

Does Ufuk Talay have complete control over player signings? Because if he does then the longer he’s not signed a contract, the greater chance the off contract players won’t be resigned. At the moment players such as Sail (who has Aus citizenship apparently), Devlin, Davila, Marinovic etc all have only a couple months on their contracts, meaning any team can approach them.

I saw Slater’s rumour that Victory are interested in both Davila and Devlin, having been linked to Talay, and it straight away gave me Rudan flashbacks. I’d find it incredibly annoying if these players weren’t resigned, or at least attempted to. I can live with them going overseas but to a different A League team wouldn’t be it. Does anyone at the Phoenix have a Director of Football role? How much scope would someone like Shaun Gill have to resign players or is it just the manager’s discretion?

In the defence of Welnix they are bleeding cash more than any other A League club at the moment, with no gate takings, and the extra costs of being based in the Gong.

Also seems Shaun Gill is still in Wellington, so that will just add that extra layer of difficulty with trying to lock in resigning players. Though not ideal currently having so many players off contract, the A League also looks like having a very very long off season, if version 2022 goes to a full winter league. So is definitely plenty of time to form a squad for next season.

Sounds like Morrison is currently negotiating with Talay. That understandably is the priority signing for now. From that (staying or leaving) everything else will follow.

carlind

Does Ufuk Talay have complete control over player signings? Because if he does then the longer he’s not signed a contract, the greater chance the off contract players won’t be resigned. At the moment players such as Sail (who has Aus citizenship apparently), Devlin, Davila, Marinovic etc all have only a couple months on their contracts, meaning any team can approach them.

I saw Slater’s rumour that Victory are interested in both Davila and Devlin, having been linked to Talay, and it straight away gave me Rudan flashbacks. I’d find it incredibly annoying if these players weren’t resigned, or at least attempted to. I can live with them going overseas but to a different A League team wouldn’t be it. Does anyone at the Phoenix have a Director of Football role? How much scope would someone like Shaun Gill have to resign players or is it just the manager’s discretion?

In the defence of Welnix they are bleeding cash more than any other A League club at the moment, with no gate takings, and the extra costs of being based in the Gong.

Also seems Shaun Gill is still in Wellington, so that will just add that extra layer of difficulty with trying to lock in resigning players. Though not ideal currently having so many players off contract, the A League also looks like having a very very long off season, if version 2022 goes to a full winter league. So is definitely plenty of time to form a squad for next season.

Sounds like Morrison is currently negotiating with Talay. That understandably is the priority signing for now. From that (staying or leaving) everything else will follow.

I'm sort of echoing what Doloras said, but it seems a fruitless exercise hanging our hopes on individuals; either players or coaches.
On the subject of Talay himself, I'm not sold on any coach who sets his centre backs to play right on top of his keeper

Does Ufuk Talay have complete control over player signings? Because if he does then the longer he’s not signed a contract, the greater chance the off contract players won’t be resigned. At the moment players such as Sail (who has Aus citizenship apparently), Devlin, Davila, Marinovic etc all have only a couple months on their contracts, meaning any team can approach them.

I saw Slater’s rumour that Victory are interested in both Davila and Devlin, having been linked to Talay, and it straight away gave me Rudan flashbacks. I’d find it incredibly annoying if these players weren’t resigned, or at least attempted to. I can live with them going overseas but to a different A League team wouldn’t be it. Does anyone at the Phoenix have a Director of Football role? How much scope would someone like Shaun Gill have to resign players or is it just the manager’s discretion?

With a new TV deal next season and the Nix back home I'm sure the club wont fold and will have enough cash to get another coach once Talay leaves for Victory.
TBH i believe Talay is one of the lowest paid coaches in the A-League and our next coach will more then likely be on similar coin.
Kevin Muscat anyone?  

It's really not a surprised that there are victory rumours. Agents are there to try get the best price for their clients, so linking you client elsewhere does create pressure to offer a better deal. I guess the upside this year, is there looks to be only one club who will have a new coach in the off season. So this other options look quite limited especially given the state of Victory atm. Though I guess someone might see that as a project to turn it around. 

With a new TV deal next season and the Nix back home I'm sure the club wont fold and will have enough cash to get another coach once Talay leaves for Victory.
TBH i believe Talay is one of the lowest paid coaches in the A-League and our next coach will more then likely be on similar coin.
Kevin Muscat anyone?  

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. There's actually nothing in the article that suggests Uffie is going - only that his contract is up next season and there has been interest. Given his success last season that's to be expected. He could re-sign. 

TreeFiddy

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. There's actually nothing in the article that suggests Uffie is going - only that his contract is up next season and there has been interest. Given his success last season that's to be expected. He could re-sign. 

He was also asked directly if he'd talked to Victory and he said no, he was asked if his agent had and he said he had no idea. So, if there's discussions, and there's bound to be at least an inquiry from Victory, then it hasn't progressed enough for Talay's attention.

What reason has he given you to make you think he'd lie? 

Ryan

What reason has he given you to make you think he'd lie? 

I'd say the same reason why you said the same thing about our last coach.

@Napier Phoenix, what has he done that makes you think he'd lie? 

"Sure they're a bigger, more prestigious club, with trophies and success behind them, and with money to throw around....."

Yes, all that. Plus: the possibility of playing in Asia. Plus: no Aussie in their right mind would want to live in the Shaky Isles any longer than they have to.

he hasn’t said anything but it would be highly unusual for him to say “yes I’m interested in or leaving for the Victory”. We all know everyone lies in this situation

Ryan

@Napier Phoenix, what has he done that makes you think he'd lie? 

Nobody expects Talay to stay on forever. I would like him to stay for one more season - feels like a lot of unfinished business.  But if he does not stay, I would like him to say so once it has been decided, and not bullshark the way Rudan did. Everyone copes with ugly but honest truth better than with pretty deceitful lies.

Napier Phoenix

he hasn’t said anything but it would be highly unusual for him to say “yes I’m interested in or leaving for the Victory”. We all know everyone lies in this situation

Ryan

@Napier Phoenix, what has he done that makes you think he'd lie? 

"everyone lies in that situation?" Speak for yourself, most people would try and get out of the question by saying something like "Let's focus on the game, not me."

There's a difference between trying to talk around something and saying "No"

That's not to say he won't end up there, or leave the Phoenix - if he was keen to stay, and the terms were acceptable, he would have signed.

Oh my god guys.

Uffie has a job to do - get us into finals.

Contracts are surely not on his mind. After the season then worry about it.

Ryan

Napier Phoenix

he hasn’t said anything but it would be highly unusual for him to say “yes I’m interested in or leaving for the Victory”. We all know everyone lies in this situation

Ryan

@Napier Phoenix, what has he done that makes you think he'd lie? 

"everyone lies in that situation?" Speak for yourself, most people would try and get out of the question by saying something like "Let's focus on the game, not me."

There's a difference between trying to talk around something and saying "No"

That's not to say he won't end up there, or leave the Phoenix - if he was keen to stay, and the terms were acceptable, he would have signed.

There's also a difference between saying "No" when asked if he'd had any contract and saying "I'm not sure" when asked if anyone representing him had any contact. 

It's also worth noting that in the same press conference he confirmed he'd turned them down last winter.

Oh my god guys.

Uffie has a job to do - get us into finals.

Contracts are surely not on his mind. After the season then worry about it.