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2015/16 Transfer Speculation

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about 10 years ago

Jeff agree the Phoenix need to score more but it would have to be four a game because the back four cough up goals for fun

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

As much as I dislike him, Matt Simon is exactly the type of player we need. We have the wingers to supply him with a lot of chances. We have a nippy little striker to partner him. A cock for sure but when in your team, a useful cock.

Much as I cringe, you and JV are probably right on this one. 

We are short of a useful cock. The evidence is in our performance this season: nothing short of impotent.

We are by now at risk of getting shafted weekly, and stay rooted at the bottom of the table.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

charger1 wrote:

Matt Simon tell me you are joking the Phoenix already have there nutter come thug in Muscat

ffs Manny isn't that bad.

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about 10 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Matt Simon tell me you are joking the Phoenix already have there nutter come thug in Muscat

ffs Manny isn't that bad.

Agreed - he cleaned up his act under Ernie.

For my money, he reverted into an "enforcer" mentality once he took over Siggy's CB slot. He'll be OK.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Obviously we aren't signing Matt Simon so it's moot anyway. As for the argument that we should take a cock if he scores goals, it depends on what sort of cock. Anelka is the sort of cock who could be really toxic for the team - he was one of the key players in that French camp's meltdown at the 2010 WC and IIRC was even fined by the French football association for his part in it. No number of goals is worth a player like that in the team.

I'd take Robbie Keane though.

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about 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Matt Simon tell me you are joking the Phoenix already have there nutter come thug in Muscat

ffs Manny isn't that bad.

Agreed - he cleaned up his act under Ernie.

For my money, he reverted into an "enforcer" mentality once he took over Siggy's CB slot. He'll be OK.

Has he though? Card per season below

2014/15 – 6 (0)

2013/14 – 9 (1)

2012/13 – 7 (0)

2011/12 – 9 (1)

2010/11 – 9 (0)

2009/10 – 7 (0)

2008/09 – 3 (0)

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about 10 years ago

Looks inconsistent. He clearly underachieved in his 2012/13 season.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Hell it's worse than I thought he could become a bookmakers dream, but don't worry Doyle will become the new Muscat

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about 10 years ago

charger1 wrote:

Hell it's worse than I thought he could become a bookmakers dream, but don't worry Doyle will become the new Muscat

That's pretty harsh on young Tom.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

2ndBest wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Matt Simon tell me you are joking the Phoenix already have there nutter come thug in Muscat

ffs Manny isn't that bad.

Agreed - he cleaned up his act under Ernie.

For my money, he reverted into an "enforcer" mentality once he took over Siggy's CB slot. He'll be OK.

Has he though? Card per season below

2014/15 – 6 (0)

2013/14 – 9 (1)

2012/13 – 7 (0)

2011/12 – 9 (1)

2010/11 – 9 (0)

2009/10 – 7 (0)

2008/09 – 3 (0)

have you factored in the decrease in the amount of fouls per yellow for this season?  I mean it's easy to say he hasn't cleaned up his act, but I think most people would agree he has.  also Referee's are notorious for carding people like Manny based on previous reputation.

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about 10 years ago

As for carding people who make good tackles.....

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about 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Chris James went from Ardennes (2014) in France to second division Finnish team Ekenas for the 2015 season - this is hardly the pinnacle of European sport, and I do not think he scored for them as yet in 10 appearances. 

Would you consider him a suitable injury replacement for Rufer? He has not had major injuries, is reasonably experienced and might provide a screening cover for our young fullbacks (or for Riera / Lia if they get suspended / injured).  While not exactly a top-notch performer, he does not need a visa, and is a bit younger than Siggy, Lia or even Riera.

It might sound like scraping the bottom of the proverbial, but unless I am mistaken we need an experienced player as Rufer's replacement. We have some inexperienced (at that level) players on the fringes of the squad that I would not mind to see in action; but having them play against Brisbane (with Roly out, Manny out, and Siggy still out) it might be a bit like lambs to a slaughter.

Ernie saw him and said he wasn't fit enough I believe. Hasn't done much since then to prove an enormous amount of fitness, so I'd say probably not. Though personally at the moment we could do worse and any port in a storm, yeh? But hey- it would be hard to believe he's at the same level he was at during the Mexico playoff games.



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about 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Matt Simon tell me you are joking the Phoenix already have there nutter come thug in Muscat

ffs Manny isn't that bad.

Agreed - he cleaned up his act under Ernie.

For my money, he reverted into an "enforcer" mentality once he took over Siggy's CB slot. He'll be OK.

Has he though? Card per season below

2014/15 – 6 (0)

2013/14 – 9 (1)

2012/13 – 7 (0)

2011/12 – 9 (1)

2010/11 – 9 (0)

2009/10 – 7 (0)

2008/09 – 3 (0)

you feel he's getting pinged more for shirt pulls or preventing fast breaks now than cheap shots...Even his argument with Brosque you felt he was getting stirred up, but not doing anything silly.



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about 10 years ago

Seeing Matt Simon has been mention as a cock we havent signed but should have - I'd even be happy if we actually made a play for Berisha when he was available. Sure he's an absolute nutsack but man he can score the goals.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

I'd love to see Robbie Keane's crap 'goal celebration' at the Caketin as he scores goals in a Nix Shirt!

I assume he's too expensive for the A-League as he has current form,  25 appearances for Galaxy in 2015, scoring 20 goals.

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about 10 years ago

David Williams?...hmmmm.  Would be e good replacement for Roy for next month.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Hell it's worse than I thought he could become a bookmakers dream, but don't worry Doyle will become the new Muscat

That's pretty harsh on young Tom.

Doyle's cards are from a lack of coordination and generally poor timing. Manny's are from too much perceived aggression. There's a bug difference. You can tone done the aggression but you can't do anything for coordination other than ensure they are super fit so there's no late tackles from that. 

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about 10 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

David Williams?...hmmmm.  Would be good replacement for Roy for next month.

Not sure how I feel about this, last two seasons he hasn't been that great. His best season was 2013-14 where he scored 12. So would be hoping again that he finds form and fits with our system.

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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about 10 years ago

Similar to Burns in that he needs his career resurrected

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about 10 years ago

Used to love watching him tearing around Suncorp like a headless chook (Cunninghamesque if you will) before fading and being dragged with 20-30 minutes left.

Now he's losing his only asset he seems a bit pointless - surely we have a kid who can do similar and probably cost less (KAK?).

E + R + O

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about 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

David Williams?...hmmmm.  Would be good replacement for Roy for next month.

Not sure how I feel about this, last two seasons he hasn't been that great. His best season was 2013-14 where he scored 12. So would be hoping again that he finds form and fits with our system.

I'm in the same boat. I've never rated the guy and he had one season so ordinarily I would just say 'hell no'

But we need goals and what we got ain't working.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 10 years ago

This might be an option until the end of this season unless another club badly wants him for more than that
(but nobody wanted Burns either).

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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about 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

Not any signing is going to be the new Burns.

Unless it's the old Burns.

E + R + O

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about 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

Exactly. Williams is a lower risk as he is not a visa player and we do not have to let go of anyone for him.

I agree that his speed is not the same these days as when he played for NQ Fury, but he is still more of a true striker than anyone except Krishna and maybe Powell and Appiah. If he is fit, he is no worse than Krishna, and better than Appiah (I'm not sure how good Powell is).

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Williams can do decent free kicks and with our wingers, he should get plenty of chances. e also scores with annoying regularity against us. Including a hattrick.

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

Mainland FC wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

Exactly. Williams is a lower risk as he is not a visa player and we do not have to let go of anyone for him.

I agree that his speed is not the same these days as when he played for NQ Fury, but he is still more of a true striker than anyone except Krishna and maybe Powell and Appiah. If he is fit, he is no worse than Krishna, and better than Appiah (I'm not sure how good Powell is).

I would say he is worse than Krishna. Krishna has been involved in 9 goals in 13 games this season (6 goals, 3 assists) and he puts in massive efforts tracking back and pressing opposition players constantly, and chasing the occasional long ball. I think hes been our most consistent player this season. I don't think Williams would contribute close to what Krishna has done. 

However, he would be a useful player for squad depth and experience and if he was cheapish I'd take him on a 6 month contract and see how he went.

Edit: just had a look and last year Williams played 1500 mins for MC, scored 3 goals and got no assists. Krishna's played about 1100mins so far this season for us 

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about 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

Exactly. Williams is a lower risk as he is not a visa player and we do not have to let go of anyone for him.

I agree that his speed is not the same these days as when he played for NQ Fury, but he is still more of a true striker than anyone except Krishna and maybe Powell and Appiah. If he is fit, he is no worse than Krishna, and better than Appiah (I'm not sure how good Powell is).

I would say he is worse than Krishna. Krishna has been involved in 9 goals in 13 games this season (6 goals, 3 assists) and he puts in massive efforts tracking back and pressing opposition players constantly, and chasing the occasional long ball. I think hes been our most consistent player this season. I don't think Williams would contribute close to what Krishna has done. 

However, he would be a useful player for squad depth and experience and if he was cheapish I'd take him on a 6 month contract and see how he went.

Edit: just had a look and last year Williams played 1500 mins for MC, scored 3 goals and got no assists. Krishna's played about 1100mins so far this season for us 

Yes, but Krishna is currently out for four weeks with injury.

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about 10 years ago

If David Williams is the answer, we need to find another question.

E + R + O

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about 10 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I just worry because not every signing is going to be the new Burns. Ernie did well giving Burns a chance and it was a great outcome, but that isn't to say every signing will be the same because Ernie gave them a chance.

However we have no visa spots, we are lacking in a striker and beggars can't be choosers. 

Exactly. Williams is a lower risk as he is not a visa player and we do not have to let go of anyone for him.

I agree that his speed is not the same these days as when he played for NQ Fury, but he is still more of a true striker than anyone except Krishna and maybe Powell and Appiah. If he is fit, he is no worse than Krishna, and better than Appiah (I'm not sure how good Powell is).

I would say he is worse than Krishna. Krishna has been involved in 9 goals in 13 games this season (6 goals, 3 assists) and he puts in massive efforts tracking back and pressing opposition players constantly, and chasing the occasional long ball. I think hes been our most consistent player this season. I don't think Williams would contribute close to what Krishna has done. 

However, he would be a useful player for squad depth and experience and if he was cheapish I'd take him on a 6 month contract and see how he went.

Edit: just had a look and last year Williams played 1500 mins for MC, scored 3 goals and got no assists. Krishna's played about 1100mins so far this season for us 

Yes, but Krishna is currently out for four weeks with injury.

Yeah I said I'd take him for squad depth. I was just disagreeing with the statement that he is as good as Krishna

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about 10 years ago

Going forward I don't see the value of David Williams. I would rather we just pick Powell and give him the chance to develop as our top striker.

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about 10 years ago
God, it must be slim pickings if we are talking about signing Williams.
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about 10 years ago

Have to give Powell a start.

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about 10 years ago

SurgeQld wrote:

If David Williams is the answer, Do we need to find another question?

Fixed.  I would like to see Powell given a proper run but I also think Williams could do a "Burns" for us.

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

SurgeQld wrote:

If David Williams is the answer, Do we need to find another question?

Fixed.  I would like to see Powell given a proper run but I also think Williams could do a "Burns" for us.

Agree. Would like to see Williams come over as well. Recent stats don't look good, but have always rated him.

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about 10 years ago

I think this thread should just take a hiatus this January transfer window. There is no way we are signing anyone without a license next and it will be a desperate player who will come for a few games 


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about 10 years ago

A goal every 4.5 games for Melb City isn't too bad I guess

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about 10 years ago

I think this thread should just take a hiatus this January transfer window. There is no way we are signing anyone without a license next and it will be a desperate player who will come for a few games 

Except the title of the thread has speculation in it and that's all this thread really is. Just speculating on who we could maybe sign, no harm in that.

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about 10 years ago

I quite like Williams and usually enjoy seeing him play. So wouldn't mind signing him up for the season. We can't really expect much better given our situation and the (presumably) slim pickings in terms of local players at this stage of the season. 


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