AFC President message to FFA: no NZ teams by 2011

Even tell-fer's now talkin football!!! (how is that a swear word... evn tho he is a c**t lol)

(After Deaker last night... am I really home???)


SurgeQld2008-11-18 09:13:50

Yeah, but they are jumping on because it's (potentially) bad news. I'm waiting for all the hype surrounding a game this week and a certain player, where's that? There's no way Deaker would be interested in that stuff - he probably doesn't know the season is still going.

I havent heard it but I bet that if t***er is talking bout football it will be only if its negative....

Try hearing it first then before making comments.

I heard Deaker talking very positively about football yesterday, he was totally enthralled with the Womens U17 world cup, the organisation, the standard, the excitement, the way the crowds had embraced it.  Comments like that from him attract people to fooball, and can only be good for the game here

To give Beaks credit... he spent an hour last night on the U-17 World Cup and it was positive to the point of being OTT!!!

I was shocked and dismayed!

Interesting article in the SMH today on this subject, it has wheels and needs to be taken seriously at all levels

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/a-league/first-shot-in-fight-to-keep-nix/2008/11/17/1226770355680.html

Wasnt talking about Deaker, Deaker is great.

For all Brendan t***er's flaws he was one of the commentators back in the early eighties for the home matches in that famous qualifying campaign, and even this morning he was needling Andrew Dewhurst about the Phoenix result over Waitakere as t***er's sons have made him an Auckland City fan.

t***er was at the Phoenix game on Saturday, and the Womens games on Sunday.  I can guarantee you that Murray Deaker was nowhere near them although Deaker did mention the Phoenix issue last night as well as his bit talk up of the U-17's.

OK, it wasnt clear.

With Brendan's family following football he gets drawn into it, and hopefully with some success will be won over. He is a typical Kiwi Rugby lover though, so will take some time.

If one of the Nix was a good golfer and took him out for a game, we'd be halfway there

I'd rather listen to Brendon than Deaker any day. I agree with what HN says above.

Radio Sport reporter Brenton Vannisselroy talks with Wellington Phoenix CEO Tony P about the clubs A-League after worrying comments from the Asian Football Association boss.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/audio2/18061734.wma

this whole thing is crp. Ive had a few people say to me today "So the Phoenix is getting kicked out of the league"

The good news is that with Fred, this, and the Moss story everyone is talking about the Phoenix.  We just need people to finish any comment with, get out and support the Phoenix this weekend.

Best way to put one up the doubters is to get 12k on Sunday.

Tell your mates there are no excuses this weekend.
Hard News2008-11-18 10:36:25

One thing this whole drama should do is sort out exactly where the Phoenix fit, and which Champions League they will be eligible for. This is something that always needed to be sorted, and this gives the FFA, the Asian Confederation, FIFA and New Zealand Football a chance to sort their sh*t out.

The guys probably already pissed that Aussie will take one of Asia's WC qualifying spots. The prospect of NZ taking another by way of the play-off has probably got him blowing his lid.

Nev-ah.

if the Phoenix was treated as an Australian Club, based in NZ, and eligible for the Asian Champions League, all the kiwis in the team would be counted as overseas players for that right? How many are you allowed for the ACL?

Three overseas players (plus from next year, one Asian import).

 

Like Israel?

would make things hard then, would have to sign some more aussies to even be able to field a team in it

Indeed, but right now that is the least of our problems.

You can say that again...

Someone may be able to explain then about Cardiff and what happens if they should ever win the EPL? Can't see the difference (other than they never will)Royal2008-11-18 12:21:41

Cardiff are Welsh, yes.  But Wales, like England, are still part of UEFA. loyalgunner2008-11-18 12:24:55

ah yes, I wasn't thinking about confederations.

Last year when Cardiff did progress in the FA cup, they would have been granted an exemption to play in the UEFA cup as an English side. But as had been said the issue here is the different confederations.

Maybe FIFA need to spend some time and re-organise all confederations, a general shake up or spring cleaning

You do understand the vested interests, the TV dollars, and backhanders involved here, don't you ?
Hard News2008-11-18 14:42:36

Yes i do but its all becoming a mess

Also, Cruz Azul and other Mexican teams (maybe America? can't remember now) playing in Copa Libertadores.

So there's definitely precedent if there's a will.

yeah the MLS is part of that to and they don't have promotion relegation 

MLS clubs have never played in the Copa Libertadores...although I think the US national team (and Japan also) have played in the South American champs (can't for the life of me remember what's it called right now).

Or remove the import tag on the NZ players, remove restriction on squad numbers but allow salary cap per player rather than per squad, enables competitive player negotiations and game time vs bench so creating more player turnover.

But really, anything can happen by 2011 and the new AFC president may even be Aussie.

I can see the AFC honchos being very happy with that solution...

I guarantee an Aussie will NEVER be president of the AFC.

I think people are also under estimating how important the NZ TV market is. Theres not many aussie comps that New Zealand arn't involved in that are professional, the only one I can think of is Aussie Rules. Even the provinical aussie rugby comp was closed down as not enough money was being made through it.

If the Phoenix were kicked out of the A-league it would be the end of Oceania football and probably force FIFA to restructure the confederations. This would waste massive amounts of time and money so it would just be easy if they kept the Phoenix in as it is a short term fix and wouldn't waste time or money.

Political lobbying is never a problem especially if NZ decides to move to AFC. . .

What am I talking about, AFC hates New Zealand, it all started after the Tokyo Olympics. . .

james dean2008-11-18 23:55:43

The whole thing's been pissing me off all day. The Herald Sun over here had a short article about it which managed to make the club sound like a dead man walking. The worst thing is that this is not going to be resolved any time soon, and unavoidably it's going to colour the way people think about us.

If it is correctly handled I think it could be a blessing in disguise and force everyone to clarify the situation of the club, potentially putting us in line for the ACL.  If poorly handled I think we are gone.  Extremely depressing.  Thanks for your kind words Stop Out!