Yeah I was thinking a similar thing about the second goal, which was just awkward with the keeper getting to it after it had crossed the line. Had it actually hit the net it would have been more visually spectacular, but as things happened it was just anticlimactic. Obviously nothing changes from Brockie's perspective though as either way it was brilliantly taken. Actually, had that hit the back of the net it would have been very similar to ADP's free kick against Newcastle a few weeks ago, but do you think anyone in Australia will be making that comparison? Ever? No I didn't think so. Grrrr angst.
Tegal, I can definitely take that view point but this is the angst thread so of course I tend to express my negativity in here.
All I would say is that I'm worried that we're overrating some of our players because they are All Whites.
Also, while we (probably) do have more depth I'm not convinced that 2012/13 Ifill will be as influential as 2010 (or even last season's) Ifill, and someone needs to step up and become our go to. We've relied a lot on him creating goals out of nothing.
Amongst all the angst, can we take a moment to appreciate how good Ifill has been for us? What a player, easily our best ever for me
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If you match the players gone vs the players who have come in, they're better. If they're not better,I don't see it.
I didn't ask whether the players were better, I asked whether we're a better team.
2009/10 we had Greenacre and Ifill fresh from the UK, McKain in good form with Durante, Eugene Dadi popping in the late goals, Brownie in good form, Daniel playing well, Reddy on fire in the second half of the season plus the underrated Caceres. That was a good team and will take some beating.
Hmm, you're looking at this with rose-tinted glasses JD. That team finished 4th in the league on the back of Ifill magic, strong defence with McKain and Durante, and a superb Reddy who kept us in a lot of games. But that team certainly wasn't the third best team in the league that season - putting aside they were nowhere near Sydney and Melbourne, Perth was probably better (we had Reddy to thank for going past them), and while Gold Coast did seem our bunnies a bit, overall they performed better than us that season, but fluffed their home play-off game against Newcastle.
Not to mention that that same team got lumped 4-0 in Melbourne only weeks before the playoffs.
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Also, while we (probably) do have more depth I'm not convinced that 2012/13 Ifill will be as influential as 2010 (or even last season's) Ifill, and someone needs to step up and become our go to. We've relied a lot on him creating goals out of nothing.
Amongst all the angst, can we take a moment to appreciate how good Ifill has been for us? What a player, easily our best ever for me
With all this I agree, which is why I think Ifill needs to be managed carefully and not be burdened with too many defensive duties.
But I also think we're much better equipped to deal with a lessening of Ifill's contribution on the field this season than in the previous ones.
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If you match the players gone vs the players who have come in, they're better. If they're not better,I don't see it.
I didn't ask whether the players were better, I asked whether we're a better team.
2009/10 we had Greenacre and Ifill fresh from the UK, McKain in good form with Durante, Eugene Dadi popping in the late goals, Brownie in good form, Daniel playing well, Reddy on fire in the second half of the season plus the underrated Caceres. That was a good team and will take some beating.
Hmm, you're looking at this with rose-tinted glasses JD. That team finished 4th in the league on the back of Ifill magic, strong defence with McKain and Durante, and a superb Reddy who kept us in a lot of games. But that team certainly wasn't the third best team in the league that season - putting aside they were nowhere near Sydney and Melbourne, Perth was probably better (we had Reddy to thank for going past them), and while Gold Coast did seem our bunnies a bit, overall they performed better than us that season, but fluffed their home play-off game against Newcastle.
Not to mention that that same team got lumped 4-0 in Melbourne only weeks before the playoffs.
We did only lose 26% of our games that season (the best in the league that season) and our next best, for a completed season, is 41%. That season we won 37% of our games and our best is 44%.
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If you match the players gone vs the players who have come in, they're better. If they're not better,I don't see it.
I didn't ask whether the players were better, I asked whether we're a better team.
2009/10 we had Greenacre and Ifill fresh from the UK, McKain in good form with Durante, Eugene Dadi popping in the late goals, Brownie in good form, Daniel playing well, Reddy on fire in the second half of the season plus the underrated Caceres. That was a good team and will take some beating.
Hmm, you're looking at this with rose-tinted glasses JD. That team finished 4th in the league on the back of Ifill magic, strong defence with McKain and Durante, and a superb Reddy who kept us in a lot of games. But that team certainly wasn't the third best team in the league that season - putting aside they were nowhere near Sydney and Melbourne, Perth was probably better (we had Reddy to thank for going past them), and while Gold Coast did seem our bunnies a bit, overall they performed better than us that season, but fluffed their home play-off game against Newcastle.
Not to mention that that same team got lumped 4-0 in Melbourne only weeks before the playoffs.
We did only lose 26% of our games that season (the best in the league that season) and our next best, for a completed season, is 41%. That season we won 37% of our games and our best is 44%.
We also got spanked 4-1 by Brisbane (in addition to the 4-0 loss in Melbourne) that season, in the first half of the season. Would be very interested to know what JD said after that performance about that same team.
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I'd be interested in what he said toward the end of that season even. I doubt it was as positive as he's being about them now.
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If you match the players gone vs the players who have come in, they're better. If they're not better,I don't see it.
I didn't ask whether the players were better, I asked whether we're a better team.
2009/10 we had Greenacre and Ifill fresh from the UK, McKain in good form with Durante, Eugene Dadi popping in the late goals, Brownie in good form, Daniel playing well, Reddy on fire in the second half of the season plus the underrated Caceres. That was a good team and will take some beating.
Hmm, you're looking at this with rose-tinted glasses JD. That team finished 4th in the league on the back of Ifill magic, strong defence with McKain and Durante, and a superb Reddy who kept us in a lot of games. But that team certainly wasn't the third best team in the league that season - putting aside they were nowhere near Sydney and Melbourne, Perth was probably better (we had Reddy to thank for going past them), and while Gold Coast did seem our bunnies a bit, overall they performed better than us that season, but fluffed their home play-off game against Newcastle.
Not to mention that that same team got lumped 4-0 in Melbourne only weeks before the playoffs.
We did only lose 26% of our games that season (the best in the league that season) and our next best, for a completed season, is 41%. That season we won 37% of our games and our best is 44%.
We also got spanked 4-1 by Brisbane (in addition to the 4-0 loss in Melbourne) that season, in the first half of the season. Would be very interested to know what JD said after that performance about that same team.
We also had our best goals per game difference (goals per game for - goals per game against) that season at 0.3, next best is 0.07 which was last season - helped by big wins against GCU (6-0), Roar (3-1), Jets, CCM and Fury (all 3-0). We had our equal best points per game, equal with last season.
Though, the season is still early. Same amount of points gained after 5 rounds as in 09/10 and 07/08 and less than last season's 7 points after 5 rounds.
Edit: In saying that, our season last year was pretty damn good. After 24 rounds (our last win in the league) we were average 1.63ppg (39pts) and at that same stage in 09/10 it was 1.29ppg (31pts). Last season we only managed 1 more point in the remaining 3 games while in 09/10 we did win 3 in a row in the final 3 games both resulting in 1.48ppg (40pts). Last season we won 44%, drew 15% and lost 41% in 09/10 it was won 37%, drew 37% and lost 26%.
Second edit: It is hard to judge how good teams are too previous seasons as the standard of the league rises most seasons. This years team if possible to jump into Doc Brown's DeLorean could possibly have done better than the 09/10 team did.
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brockie would have by the time the season started.
Moss was in negotations well before GCU folded.
this. nice try JD
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And we are always better in the second half than the first half:
- PPG 12-13 PPG 11-12 PPG 10-11 PPG 09-10 PPG 08-09 PPG 07-08 PPG 1st Half 1.00 1.38 1.00 1.23 0.90 0.80 PPG 2nd Half - 1.57 1.73 1.71 1.55 1.09
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As a comparison, here are our corresponding results last year against the same teams.
Last year This year
Sydney (H) W (2-1) W (2-0)
W (4-2)
Heart (A) L (0-1) D (1-1)
D (1-1)
Roar (H) W (2-0) D (1-1)
L (0-2)
Adelaide (A) L (0-2) L (1-3)
W (2-1)
Victory (A) L (1-3) L (2-3)
L (0-3)
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Home and away stats for the three seasons would also tell an interesting story, except I'm too lazy to tell it (hint hint, Bullion).
Will be a good challenge for us to match or better the respectable away form we showed last season.
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I'd be interested in what he said toward the end of that season even. I doubt it was as positive as he's being about them now.
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I don't think people are questioning the team so much (this is our best ever squad imo) more the lack of a plan b by Ricki.
Anyone watching the game the other day could see it wasn't working and he didn't change anything, and thats poor management on Ricki's part.
Everyone wants to see Barcelona style football being played... its not realistic, but we certainly are better than reverting to a Wimbledon style of direct play we were subjected to... especially when we don't have a target man and all it did was put us under more pressure by feeding the ball to Melbourne.
I may be wrong but I too have some serious doubts about RH's decision making. As with the MV game, he doesn't seem very good at changing players and strategy if the game is going against him. More often than not he replaces like with like, even at the AW games. I remember him playing Chris Killen in the midfeild in the debacle at Honaire when we lost out on Conferderations Cup qualification and you could see it wasn't working but he persisted with it. He doesn't seem like someone who is a sharp strategist who can change the shape and movement of a team by pivotal substitutions. I've been told he can be quite stubborn.
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I don't think people are questioning the team so much (this is our best ever squad imo) more the lack of a plan b by Ricki.
Anyone watching the game the other day could see it wasn't working and he didn't change anything, and thats poor management on Ricki's part.
Everyone wants to see Barcelona style football being played... its not realistic, but we certainly are better than reverting to a Wimbledon style of direct play we were subjected to... especially when we don't have a target man and all it did was put us under more pressure by feeding the ball to Melbourne.
I may be wrong but I too have some serious doubts about RH's decision making. As with the MV game, he doesn't seem very good at changing players and strategy if the game is going against him. More often than not he replaces like with like, even at the AW games. I remember him playing Chris Killen in the midfeild in the debacle at Honaire when we lost out on Conferderations Cup qualification and you could see it wasn't working but he persisted with it. He doesn't seem like someone who is a sharp strategist who can change the shape and movement of a team by pivotal substitutions. I've been told he can be quite stubborn.
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Might be right there,and I've got the same idea (especially against MV). Just one thing in his defence Regarding subs,having a 3 man bench doesn't help with pivotal substitutions to help a specific situation,they kind of have to somewhat pre-planned.
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I don't think people are questioning the team so much (this is our best ever squad imo) more the lack of a plan b by Ricki.
Anyone watching the game the other day could see it wasn't working and he didn't change anything, and thats poor management on Ricki's part.
Everyone wants to see Barcelona style football being played... its not realistic, but we certainly are better than reverting to a Wimbledon style of direct play we were subjected to... especially when we don't have a target man and all it did was put us under more pressure by feeding the ball to Melbourne.
I may be wrong but I too have some serious doubts about RH's decision making. As with the MV game, he doesn't seem very good at changing players and strategy if the game is going against him. More often than not he replaces like with like, even at the AW games. I remember him playing Chris Killen in the midfeild in the debacle at Honaire when we lost out on Conferderations Cup qualification and you could see it wasn't working but he persisted with it. He doesn't seem like someone who is a sharp strategist who can change the shape and movement of a team by pivotal substitutions. I've been told he can be quite stubborn.
Possibly but you could also say the same about every other coach in the league, including Ange Postecoglou. Roar were sometimes guilty of passing the ball to death before taking a shot or putting over a cross, prime example being against a 9 man Victory when Roar were seemingly forbidden to shoot and consequently failed to get the three points. No one is saying Ricki is the perfect coach but it's often forgotten the A League is made up coaches of questionable ability. Not to mention the utter failures that have come and gone since the league began.
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Don't need coaches, the players coach themselves. With the money saved on paying coaching staff we can have a marquee midfielder.
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Sack all the coaches.
Coaching decisions should be made by tweeting fans.
This reminds me of a Pro Bowl a few years back where fans voted for a play on each team on social media.
Remember that one of the plays the fans decided on was a flea-flicker.
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Wasn't there that football club,where fans bought into it and could then vote on decisions such as starting XI etc? Whatever happened to that?
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Wasn't there that football club,where fans bought into it and could then vote on decisions such as starting XI etc? Whatever happened to that?
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Yeah I was thinking a similar thing about the second goal, which was just awkward with the keeper getting to it after it had crossed the line. Had it actually hit the net it would have been more visually spectacular, but as things happened it was just anticlimactic. Obviously nothing changes from Brockie's perspective though as either way it was brilliantly taken. Actually, had that hit the back of the net it would have been very similar to ADP's free kick against Newcastle a few weeks ago, but do you think anyone in Australia will be making that comparison? Ever? No I didn't think so. Grrrr angst.
So so this
absolutely cracking goals
Not sure the commentators or anyone at all even realised the first one was with his left foot as well, what technique
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I'm still hopeful we can pull ourselves together. 5 points dropped at home will have to come from away now. It could get much worse before it gets better.
But very depressed now. :-(
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3 losses in a row. How man y would it take for the owners to seriously question ricki
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never said it before:
well who could we bring in instead of Ricki? Uninspired performance across the park. Great attacking talent and no chances created, lots of early crosses to the back post where there was no one, same win on the 'balls into the box' stat. Nothing from the coaching staff to suggest they had any idea how to create chances.
And what is Boyd still doing on the bench?
gee- almost a Sack Richie call.
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Still can't win away, and now can't win at home. I'd wager both Brisbane and Sydney will only get better so we could be in real trouble if things dont improve soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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We did lose games at home last season too.
We did, but the squad we have is as good as we have had, but we don't seem to be learning from our mistakes.
Ricki just does not want to make changes.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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never thought this before but am beginning to question ricki's tactics..or rather lack of them. We seem to be a one trick pony team
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Got to say,after the last 2 weeks I've started to question ricki a lot more than I have in the past.
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An ode to the Phoenix:
By Junior 82,
Monday 12 November 2012
10:30 pm ish, after I've got over it all.
Oi Phoenix!
Score some goals while you're at it.
Cheers.
See you on 2 December.
"Phoenix till they lose"
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