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Black out the Heart

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Despite being on a winning streak, novelty black theme and charridy, cheap tickets and supporting local clubs, I'm going to go all AkldPhnx on this game. 
 
Our crowds have been p!ss poor this season - I think we will struggle to get to 10K.
 
 
Junior822012-01-21 20:30:35

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does anyone else think that the Fever performs better as a unit when there are not really big crowds? I.e. the singing is more coordinated, it's generally more enjoyable, less pointless aggression (if you need to start a fight, take up boxing would be my advice. Then we'd see how hard you are).
After all, we're not Strine cricket fans.............

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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TBH I prefer it when there is a large crowd.  This season when I have been yelling and chanting it's been quite hard to get people to join in (yes, even Aisle 23).  When there are more people others feel less inhibitied and quickly join in.  Most games this season there are afew who partake but others just look sideways and keep quiet.
 
 
I guess I should also try and keep my pants on too.
 
 
 
 

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Therk wrote:
I would be really disappointed if we got under 10,000 for this.

Are you going?

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Grandadi wrote:

Arise, Professor Wolfman!
 
Prof Wolfman Schnell PhD BSc
 
 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cant wait for some pax action to kick off in here, im barred up
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I caught a cab home from The 4 Kings on Friday night.

My cab driver's name was Omar, and he saw my stripet and hat and scarf, and asked if we had won. I told him we had, 0 - 1 and that it was a record two consecutive away wins for the team now.

He replied: "Yes, I have never been to a Phoenix game, but I am going to go next Sunday. They have a black-out thing on don't they?"

And I said: "Yes, they do. They're trying to get the whole crowd dressed in black, and I suspect the team might wear a special one off completely black strip."

Omar said: ".Yeah, I had heard about that. I am really looking forward to it."

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
I caught a cab home from The 4 Kings on Friday night.My cab driver's name was Omar, and he saw my stripet and hat and scarf, and asked if we had won. I told him we had, 0 - 1 and that it was a record two consecutive away wins for the team now.He replied: "Yes, I have never been to a Phoenix game, but I am going to go next Sunday. They have a black-out thing on don't they?"And I said: "Yes, they do. They're trying to get the whole crowd dressed in black, and I suspect the team might wear a special one off completely black strip."Omar said: ".Yeah, I had heard about that. I am really looking forward to it."

And how long have we been crying for some marketing from the Nix?

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bwtcf wrote:
I caught a cab home from The 4 Kings on Friday night.My cab driver's name was Omar, and he saw my stripet and hat and scarf, and asked if we had won. I told him we had, 0 - 1 and that it was a record two consecutive away wins for the team now.He replied: "Yes, I have never been to a Phoenix game, but I am going to go next Sunday. They have a black-out thing on don't they?"And I said: "Yes, they do. They're trying to get the whole crowd dressed in black, and I suspect the team might wear a special one off completely black strip."Omar said: ".Yeah, I had heard about that. I am really looking forward to it."



Exactly. It's a disgrace this whole thing.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can confirm it is a black one off strip. Havent seen it yet, but I hear good things... Still don't understand why the are donig it (although I know the reasons), but at least there is some initiatives taking place. Will be wearing stripey underneather a black wife beater like someone else suggested.
 
BTW, what happens when 80 mins comes around? Is that the white out?
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Tegal wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I caught a cab home from The 4 Kings on Friday night.My cab driver's name was Omar, and he saw my stripet and hat and scarf, and asked if we had won. I told him we had, 0 - 1 and that it was a record two consecutive away wins for the team now.He replied: "Yes, I have never been to a Phoenix game, but I am going to go next Sunday. They have a black-out thing on don't they?"And I said: "Yes, they do. They're trying to get the whole crowd dressed in black, and I suspect the team might wear a special one off completely black strip."Omar said: ".Yeah, I had heard about that. I am really looking forward to it."



Exactly. It's a disgrace this whole thing.


If taxi drivers could be believed then Wharfies would have about ten African internationals playing for them

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:
And how long have we been crying for some marketing from the Nix? 



  Name the marketing method they have not tried Blew.22012-01-22 14:12:06

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Tegal wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I caught a cab home from The 4 Kings on Friday night.My cab driver's name was Omar, and he saw my stripet and hat and scarf, and asked if we had won. I told him we had, 0 - 1 and that it was a record two consecutive away wins for the team now.He replied: "Yes, I have never been to a Phoenix game, but I am going to go next Sunday. They have a black-out thing on don't they?"And I said: "Yes, they do. They're trying to get the whole crowd dressed in black, and I suspect the team might wear a special one off completely black strip."Omar said: ".Yeah, I had heard about that. I am really looking forward to it."



Exactly. It's a disgrace this whole thing.


If taxi drivers could be believed then Wharfies would have about ten African internationals playing for them
 
Pretty sure Africa isn't a country. Unless you're Sarah Palin
 
 
 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Various nationalities. Most you have prob never heard of

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Less than 10k in attendance, it didn't work.
 
More than 10k, it worked.
 
We'll see.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Africa? It's in Texas.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As pointed out before there is the fact that we will never know how many tickets were sold under the "friends of football" promotion. Only the Club will know that.

P.S. Feverish is it just my computer or does everyone else see lots of white noise ruining your avatar gif? I can't quite make out what happens right at the end because snow keeps falling onto the ground.

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Tegal wrote:
Less than 10k in attendance, it didn't work.
 
More than 10k, it worked.
 
We'll see.


"It" being what?

The Black out?

Celebrating Daniel's 100 games?

The funds to football clubs gate share promotion?

The publicity around the Phoenix's two away wins?

Exactly how do you work out how much each factor has or has not contributed to whatever the crwod figure ends up being?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
Tegal wrote:


Less than 10k in attendance, it didn't work.
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More than 10k, it worked.
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We'll see.


"It" being what?

The Black out?Celebrating Daniel's 100 games?

The funds to football clubs gate share promotion?

The publicity around the Phoenix's two away wins?Exactly how do you work out how much each factor has or has not contributed to whatever the crwod figure ends up being?

To be fair you will never know but they will get a reasonable idea of the gate share because those ticket sales will be marked for the Club.

With all due respect (and there is a LOT of it indeed), I'm not sure Daniel's 101 not out will significantly increase the gate independent of certain other variables ;)

Winning helps but pre-Christmas form was pretty good at home and the crowds were disappointing (6-7K on sunny afternoons).

So IMHO the major factors for this Sunday influencing any change of attendance will be:

- Blackout / Gate share (with equal weighting as I won't know how many tickets are sold under gate share agreement)

- Weather

- Winning form (they will have algorithms predicting how much this should influence the gate based on form leading up to previous attendances, or at least they should).

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gate share > Blackout. I have had people mentioning the cheap tickets through comms from their club. Im only going for Daniel's 101st though.
 
(in the avatar he bulges the onion bag and it start again)

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm only going cos I can't make it to the TW game earlier.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:

So IMHO the major factors for this Sunday influencing any change of attendance will be:

- Blackout / Gate share (with equal weighting as I won't know how many tickets are sold under gate share agreement)

- Weather

- Winning form (they will have algorithms predicting how much this should influence the gate based on form leading up to previous attendances, or at least they should).


1. Weather



2. Cheap tickets (gate share)
3. Winning form

4. Help the kids and save some puppies

5. Fancy dress theme

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
I'm only going cos I can't make it to the TW game earlier.

Still waiting for your contribution to this: Durante Photo Caption

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've only got rude ones. I'm waiting for a slightly less grubby one to post.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
I've only got rude ones. I'm waiting for a slightly less grubby one to post.

LOL I've been hanging out for those ones. Just post them :p

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tonight, after I've given up on trying to be witty without any sexual innuendo. Futile I realise but must try.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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I have it on good authority that the presales for the Heart game, even before the win in Newcastle, were BY FAR the best pre sales the club has ever had. Let's hope the weather is good for Sunday so that the casual punters are maximised too.

If you know anyone who is thinking of going and they are planning to buy a ticket at the gate you might want to urge them to buy in advance of the day. There might be bigger than usual queues at the gates...

Come ON you Nix!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wish the people I talked to on a daily basis were from Wellington. Talking about the Nix until the cows come home (well actually use some discretion here) is the cheapest marketing available to the Club (and is actually probably more valuable than a lot of paid marketing truth be told).

Doesn't cost us anything apart from time, and it's time talking about a Club we are all passionate supporters of anyway. And it will make a HUGE difference to the attendance this Sunday, beyond, and to the long term success of the Club.

Ok I'll get off my lectern and go to bed now.

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bwtcf wrote:
I have it on good authority that the presales for the Heart game, even before the win in Newcastle, were BY FAR the best pre sales the club has ever had.


Cab driver tell you that?

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Feverish wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I have it on good authority that the presales for the Heart game, even before the win in Newcastle, were BY FAR the best pre sales the club has ever had.

Cab driver tell you that?

Cabbie probably moonlights at Ticketek and gave him PAX

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I have a wedding to be at, so won't be at the game  Sorted someone to use my season pass tho.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:
Feverish wrote:
bwtcf wrote:
I have it on good authority that the presales for the Heart game, even before the win in Newcastle, were BY FAR the best pre sales the club has ever had.

Cab driver tell you that?

Cabbie probably moonlights at Ticketek and gave him PAX


Where's Ticketek? Is that the African country I've "probably never heard of"?


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Therk wrote:
I would be really disappointed if we got under 10,000 for this.
 
Woo hoo!! We've got a quote from Threak. This thread is officially Dom Post material now.
wolfman2012-01-22 23:58:54


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
First I have even noticed this thread.
 
Seems quite a weird idea really, I don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
18 pages in 8 days.

Huge angst, plastics vs ultras, cry babies, twunts

And you MISSED it?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It sure has been fun
 
Tegal2012-01-23 00:27:20

Allegedly

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wolfman wrote:
Therk wrote:
I would be really disappointed if we got under 10,000 for this.

Woo hoo!! We've got a quote from Threak. This thread is officially Dom Post material now.


Bonus clincher - the Celtic comment.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
18 pages in 8 days.

Huge angst, plastics vs ultras, cry babies, twunts

And you MISSED it?

 
Been away with work and had limited net access!
 
Anyway, despite this late notice, I now have my outfit for the event.
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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ahmad wrote:
Wish the people I talked to on a daily basis were from Wellington. Talking about the Nix until the cows come home (well actually use some discretion here) is the cheapest marketing available to the Club (and is actually probably more valuable than a lot of paid marketing truth be told).

Doesn't cost us anything apart from time, and it's time talking about a Club we are all passionate supporters of anyway. And it will make a HUGE difference to the attendance this Sunday, beyond, and to the long term success of the Club.

Ok I'll get off my lectern and go to bed now.

In have my thoughts on this.

When we had our playoff run 2 years ago and we had massive crowds, what bought the casual fan along then to be part of that massive crowd. Was it to support a winning team, was it to support a playoff game, was it because the media covered the sh*t out of it? Probably a combination of all 3.

1: Its quite a common saying in Laker land that the fans don't turn up until April when the playoffs start and the games then start to mean something. I know that's an American way of thinking but do we as a sporting nation suffer from that too? Too many meaningless games where the fans don't bother until it counts for something because even the casual fan is not going to tune in for 8 months/82 games? Perhaps playoffs are the death of the casual fan attending sports games during regular season because of the fact that regular season game don't always mean something and are just that, regular games? There is now talk in the NBA of reducing the 82 game regulation season (baseball has like 150 I think) purely to keep the players fresher to produce a better product, makes the games mean something and keep the fans engaged. Super 15 - no one really tunes in seriously until near the end of the season when playoffs are close and then the people start coming along. The Breakers are probably the only team that don't fit that mould because they tend to sell out their games regardless although you are talking a smaller base with a max crowd of 3000. All Blacks have been struggling to sell out Eden Park games against AU and SA - perhaps cause they have seen it too often and its just another game? To sum it up, do the Phoenix now suffer from this whereby fans are only really going to tune in closer to the end of the season and playoffs when it starts to mean something? (from another persons perspective)

2: Nothing breeds success like success. Compare the Kingz crowd to the Phoenix. In the beginning when they were at least mid table, they were getting good crowds. As the team dropped down the table, the crowds did too. The Phoenix average has been dropping off but when you look at it, we were bottom 1st year, just missed 2nd, play offs the last 2 and most likely again this year. So perhaps the size of the crowds are not related to the success of the Phoenix?

3: It is interesting to note the correlation between the coverage of the side and the attendance and thus, the chatter. Media will cover sides extensively when they are doing well. The coverage the Warriors got on last years run is a good one but think back to our run 2 years ago when there was positive articles everyday and in volume. Everyone knew what was going on and everyone was talking about it and thus, everyone got along to the home playoff games. Attendances in the EPL are usually a full house but again its the dominant sport. Do they suffer from fan drop off (no) or is it because its constantly in the media and thus front and centre in the psyche. Do we simply suffer from not enough media coverage for the Phoenix?

I only put these out as something to think about. I find it interesting that people will come for a one off but not regular season games and thus require 'marketing' to get them there and found chord with Ahmad talking about word of mouth.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Quick reminder if you haven't already done so please "attend" this event on Facebook, which will automatically (and discreetly) push it out to all your friends:

http://www.facebook.com/events/343951945629873/

If you want, you can also select your friends and invite them to it as well, which pushes out a less discreet notification. Your choice entirely but it's just a couple of clicks that helps the Club in the end.

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