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Brisbane Roar vs Phoenix - Sunday, Nov 29

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SC03 wrote:

Scottishbhoy wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
Nz Seb wrote:
Therk wrote:
Crowther was useless for the most part.


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Muscat was terrible, Ifill�not great, and I honestly dont know what people see in Costa...
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Harsh. He came on as a sub when we were a man down, what miracle were you expecting?


Same here - he had some good touches, got fouled a few times, in general had a decent performance. Really don't understand where the hate's coming from.
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Yeah, I was struggling to make out players as I couldn't see their numbers but in a game where most were poor Costa wasn't terrible. It was an off day for all, even Ifill.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Replay currently on for those in need of more misery.
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Not our worst defeat.  We did have some opportunities.  Awful goal keeping from pretty boy.  Gould should have come on.

Still hoping we get 10k to Fridays game though.
 
Come on Nix, bounce back!!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yes a barry crocker
worst performance of the year

but bring on Friday
bounce back quick you mighty bird of fire

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We always or often follow up a sh*t performance(s) with a brilliant one and vice versa. Hopefully that'll happen on Friday.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Blame the bad game on the weather, and crap Aussie beer, and move onto the next one.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Glad I only saw 10 minutes of this game...including our goal
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el grapadura wrote:
SC03 wrote:

Scottishbhoy wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
Nz Seb wrote:
Therk wrote:
Crowther was useless for the most part.


 

Muscat was terrible, Ifill not great, and I honestly dont know what people see in Costa...
+1


 
+100000
Harsh. He came on as a sub when we were a man down, what miracle were you expecting?


Same here - he had some good touches, got fouled a few times, in general had a decent performance. Really don't understand where the hate's coming from.
seems certain people expect hat tricks from costa every week.  regardless of how crap the side plays, hes always singled out. Probably the same people who constantly say greenacres not good enough

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeah tough on costa, to come on when we are at 10 men, and behind on the scoresheet....he ran well, didn't really get many chances....Daniel was fouled and we should have been on attack from there as opposed to coneding a goal, we could well have been 2 - 2 at that point whioch would have made a huge difference, the guy who dragged Ifill dwon should have been red carded, he was the last man in defence and Ifill was headed for goal - inept reffing, but we didn't play well either.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Mitch Nichol's assisting David Dodd. Is this the most useless combination to have scored a goal ever?

Only way it could be any worse is if Dyron Daal somehow had a hand in it.
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Hard News wrote:
Based on the only TV angle shown he has no defence.

Apart from a good strong forearm.
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Hard News wrote:
Based on the only TV angle shown he has no defence.

Oarsome how a single TV angle can sum up Muscat's overall ability.

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he hung siggie out to dry a few times v sydney as well. couldnt handle brosques pace

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hate it when this happens.
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Big serve to radio sport- stuck away from broadband listening to replays of the All Blacks and test cricket on their freakin channel- and the up date goes that Manny Durante has received a red card.
 
Where was the commentary? Don't they do radio commentary for the A-league in Brisbane?


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StopOut wrote:
Daniel was definitely fouled, not to mention no one made any effort to take a mercy pass from him. Then just before Miller made the obvious long pass to Reinaldo Lochhead for some inexplicable made no effort to mark Reinaldo - in fact I swear he actually ran away from him and into no mans land.
 
Ah well, if Vignaroli hadn't tripped over his own feet in the 93 minute last week we'd be lamenting one point out of 6. We never looked likely tonight.
 
 
Did think that from the highlights as well. Likin the referrals thing in the test cricket as it makes the umpires think more about their decisions, and also the players as well with the appeals they don't refer.
 
 


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bigtobz wrote:

Mitch Nichol's assisting David Dodd. Is this the most useless combination to have scored a goal ever?

 
absolutely right. David Dodd must be a strong contender for worst A-League player ever.
Crowther... 

When Ifill doesn't play well...
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martinb wrote:
Big serve to radio sport- stuck away from broadband listening to replays of the All Blacks and test cricket on their freakin channel- and the up date goes that Manny Durante has received a red card.
 
Where was the commentary? Don't they do radio commentary for the A-league in Brisbane?


Pretty sure that radio sport will have it if they have radio coverage where the Phoenix are playing, but as far as I know almost all the sides (bar CCM?) don't get any commentary.
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You'd have to feel sorry for the poor person who had to clean up all that mess in the commentary box after the game. I doubt whether a standard box of tissues would have have coped with "Tommy Oar w**kfest" that was going on in  there.

I'm slightly disappointed!

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martinb wrote:
StopOut wrote:
Daniel was definitely fouled, not to mention no one made any effort to take a mercy pass from him. Then just before Miller made the obvious long pass to Reinaldo Lochhead for some inexplicable made no effort to mark Reinaldo - in fact I swear he actually ran away from him and into no mans land.
 
Ah well, if Vignaroli hadn't tripped over his own feet in the 93 minute last week we'd be lamenting one point out of 6. We never looked likely tonight.
 
 
Did think that from the highlights as well. Likin the referrals thing in the test cricket as it makes the umpires think more about their decisions, and also the players as well with the appeals they don't refer.
 
 
shoulda played the whistle. he obviously gives up the chase back on the highlites. Anyways 4-1 comeback on friday

rojas, so special

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At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.  Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.  You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)
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Thought we were doing ok first half, although giving away too many chances maybe.
 
However, Daniel's dithering and subsequent failure to bring the player down cost us the goal pretty much. All very well saying he was well up the park, but we had players pushed forward at the time - he lost the ball, they broke away, 2 or 3 touches later it was in the net.
 
Muscat = total idiot. Absolutely crazy thing to do, and at that point we were really up against it.
 
Another feature of last night was a poor final ball, Bertos and Lochhead the main culprits, and even Ifill to an extent. Obviously Bertos put in a great ball for the goal, but other than that, his final ball was shocking.
 
Also, Crowther very poor I thought. The free kick being the worst. The wall was too far over, and he wasn't covering the gap. Easiest free kick you'll ever see.
 
Overall, I have definitely seen worse performances from us though, and with a bit of luck we could've scored another couple of goals.
 
I'm still confident of a result on Friday for some reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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aitkenmike wrote:
At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.  Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.  You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)
 
Daniel was right behind him at one point, he was close enough to bring him down illegally, if not make a fair tackle. If it had been the other way around, the other team would've committed the foul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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aitkenmike wrote:
At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.� Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.� You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)


You might want to watch the replay again.
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Steve-O wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.� Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.� You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)


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Daniel was right behind him at one point, he was close enough to bring him down illegally, if not make a fair tackle. If it had been the other way around, the other team would've committed the foul.


Totally agree
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aitkenmike wrote:
At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.  Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.  You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)
you should really watch the replay before saying that. devere went down as well as daniel and daniel did start giving chase. By halfway he decided he'd put in a good effort and stopped. Not entirely his fault but a tired effort at best. As for not being able to pass to anyone, perhaps hearfield can give him some tips he didnt find it as hard

rojas, so special

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whitby fever wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
At what point after getting knocked over could he have chased down someone who won it, ran straight upfield, passed it up the line, passed directly to the striker, who slotted the goal.  Its not like they knocked it around the middle for a while, it was a swift counter attack.  You seem to be forgetting the other 10 players on the field (none of whom appeared to make themselves available to be passed to either.)


You might want to watch the replay again.

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Saying it's totally Daniel's fault is a bit weird considering it happened near Brisbane's box. DeVere should never have been allowed to run so far.

a.haak

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Have watched the game a couple of times, the fact is that I cannot think of a player that had a good game.
As a unit we were poor. Our defence was crap, even with ten men we should had defended better.The two challenges that cost us were the red card(I thought it was) and Sigmunds, which was stupid as the player was running across the park and was going nowhere. We were lucky not to be 2 down sfter 10 min.
I know that every player can and has played better, so the fact that we have lost only one game in twelve tells me that this result should not get all us supporters in a real paddy. What we need is consistency.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok lets look at the positives from the game although theres not many...

Ricky can clearly take from the game that we need more quality signings in the next window!!
1. A goal keeper - must have a decent back up to Paston, Crowther is poor infact very poor and you can see the players dont trust him. Gould should be number 2!

2. Left Back - urgent...Lochead cant defend simple as that. Gareth Southgate not long after trialing hie said in a local rag we cant sign defenders who cant defend...wether he was refering to lochead or not im not sure. But to be be a top two side we need a left back.

3. Right Back cover...what he did is done now and will probably get many weeks. But who will play there now? will we drag Siggy out and then what?

So fustrating we should not be losing and conceeding 4 goals...we beat the gold coast by 6...come on lads
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valeo wrote:
Saying it's totally Daniel's fault is a bit weird considering it happened near Brisbane's box. DeVere should never have been allowed to run so far.
didnt say it was all daniels fault although he did give up possesion initially. Just saying he could of done better. oh wait i forgot only greenacre,costa and crowther can be criticised

rojas, so special

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Hear it Here wrote:
Ok lets look at the positives from the game although theres not many...
Ricky can clearly take from the game that we need more quality signings in the next window!!1. A goal keeper - must have a decent back up to Paston, Crowther is poor infact very poor and you can see the players dont trust him. Gould should be number 2!2. Left Back - urgent...Lochead cant defend simple as that. Gareth Southgate not long after trialing hie said in a local rag we cant sign defenders who cant defend...wether he was refering to lochead or not im not sure. But to be be a top two side we need a left back.3. Right Back cover...what he did is done now and will probably get many weeks. But who will play there now? will we drag Siggy out and then what?So fustrating we should not be losing and conceeding 4 goals...we beat the gold coast by 6...come on lads


You are right. Lockhead ( I have been saying this since last year) is a very poor defender. Muscat is only OK , but for the AW's this is a BIG problem. If we have 2 of our defenders out for next week then this will show what we have on the bench.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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theprof wrote:
yeah tough on costa, to come on when we are at 10 men, and behind on the scoresheet....he ran well, didn't really get many chances....Daniel was fouled and we should have been on attack from there as opposed to coneding a goal, we could well have been 2 - 2 at that point whioch would have made a huge difference, the guy who dragged Ifill dwon should have been red carded, he was the last man in defence and Ifill was headed for goal - inept reffing, but we didn't play well either.


I think the last six words said it all

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I think you caught us on a good day. To be honest, we had to win more than you guys to keep our season alive. Reality is that with the majority of our squad available, we are a pretty handy unit and can mix it with the best. The combination of a fit Reinaldo and SVD up front are a handful for any defence in this league. Add to it the pinpoint crossing ability of young Tommy Oar and the speed of Henrique (though he didn't play yesterday) on the other wing, with a fit again Mass and McKay at the base of the diamond with Miller at the apex, and you can see that other teams will be looking very closely over their shoulders at us.

As for you guys, you didn't play that badly but in truth we deserved to win. Agree re Crowther- he is out of his depth. Also thought that Bertos was strangely quiet, as was Brown. Ifill scared the crap out of me every time he touched the ball but apart from him there wasn't much inventiveness in your front third. Was surprised that Costa didn't get a start- was he injured or something?

Good luck on Friday- the a-league needs you to at least take a point to stop the runaway train called MV. Mind you, MV looked very sharp last Saturday night but with your superior pressing game, I doubt that you'll give them the space that GCU did.        
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I think you caught us on a good day. To be honest, we had to win more than you guys to keep our season alive. Reality is that with the majority of our squad available, we are a pretty handy unit and can mix it with the best. The combination of a fit Reinaldo and SVD up front are a handful for any defence in this league. Add to it the pinpoint crossing ability of young Tommy Oar and the speed of Henrique (though he didn't play yesterday) on the other wing, with a fit again Mass and McKay at the base of the diamond with Miller at the apex, and you can see that other teams will be looking very closely over their shoulders at us.

As for you guys, you didn't play that badly but in truth we deserved to win. Agree re Crowther- he is out of his depth. Also thought that Bertos was strangely quiet, as was Brown. Ifill scared the crap out of me every time he touched the ball but apart from him there wasn't much inventiveness in your front third. Was surprised that Costa didn't get a start- was he injured or something?

Good luck on Friday- the a-league needs you to at least take a point to stop the runaway train called MV. Mind you, MV looked very sharp last Saturday night but with your superior pressing game, I doubt that you'll give them the space that GCU did.        


I'm not a big fan of Postecoglu, surprised this result happened last Sunday.

The MVFC runaway train, LOL to that, but WPFC seem to lift against MVFC, especially at home.

Will be an interesting game.
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Good to see Ricki's questioning why the Phoenix have laboured with 3 rookie referees so far this season.

I bet if that happened to Melbourne, the paint would be melting off the walls in FFA's head offices.
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Ard Righ wrote:
Good to see Ricki's questioning why the Phoenix have laboured with 3 rookie referees so far this season.

I bet if that happened to Melbourne, the paint would be melting off the walls in FFA's head offices.
 
I thought the referee had a good game - I can't remember any biggies he, or the assistants, got wrong. He was spot on with Muscat's foul - it was an obvious red card and Sigmund's foul on the edge of the box was also called correctly.
 
I haven't seen Herbert's quote so can't comment on what he said however I don't think the referee was among the factors contributing to the result on Sunday - I think we need to look a little closer to home.
 
 
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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