brown was ok but i think his goal and guts masked what was a pretty average performance in the midfield. His first touch was poor, hit several 8yard passes in the air for some reason, his movement off the ball was very very poor and he was too slow to pick out kwasnik, gao and christie when they were in plenty of space.. The same cannot be said about sigmund and dodd they were solid at the back and looked composed, sigmund was great in the air and dodds distribution was good, therefore they should start next week. Muscat is pretty average, Mulligan should definetly be in front of him.
i really think hearfield should start against his old club...
Thats a surprise!
I'd like to see the same team with the exception of Durante in for Muscat, Moss for Paston, and possibly McKain for Johnson.
Bench of Daniel, Christie, McKain/Johnson, Paston
Edit: Cheers to radioman, Muscat, not Mulligan
aitkenmike2008-09-29 15:56:34
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brown was ok but i think his goal and guts masked what was a pretty average performance in the midfield. His first touch was poor, hit several 8yard passes in the air for some reason, his movement off the ball was very very poor and he was too slow to pick out kwasnik, gao and christie when they were in plenty of space.. The same cannot be said about sigmund and dodd they were solid at the back and looked composed, sigmund was great in the air and dodds distribution was good, therefore they should start next week. Muscat is pretty average, Mulligan should definetly be in front of him.
im not going to try and reason with you, i think that would be asking for to much.
i agree with what you are thinking about brown, but you dont need or want a team full of players with all the ball skills and the best first touch around. brown proved that he could contribute in other ways and he did that bloody well with his passion and determination.
as for you comment on muscat being average and wanting mully back in. have you not watched every game this year?
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i really think hearfield should start against his old club...
Thats a surprise!
I'd like to see the same team with the exception of Durante in for Mulligan, Moss for Paston, and possibly McKain for Johnson.
Bench of Daniel, Christie, McKain/Johnson, Paston
do you mean durra in for muscat? i dont rate johnson but you cant drop him for a center back, not at this level.
would like to see paston keep his spot.
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I reckon some of you need to go look at some of the comments you have made in previous match day threads about some of the players.
Know we have people defending them after one performance.
Yep it was good as a step in the right direction,but i really think some of you are getting a little carried away.Lets see the lads know string together a run of consistent results.I would hate to see these efforts restricted to only when their backs are against the wall.
Know we have people defending them after one performance.Yep it was good as a step in the right direction,but i really think some of you are getting a little carried away.Lets see the lads know string together a run of consistent results.I would hate to see these efforts restricted to only when their backs are against the wall.
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Thought Muscat played pretty well personally, wasn't afraid to attack and didnt always go with the long ball (mulligan)... Saying that, the hole defense seemed pretty good imo, not sure what I would change, Siggy was a bloody machine!! and for once I can say Dodd played well... didn't see coveny do a lot but unsure of what other options there are for striker.
-----paston-----
muscat-dood-siggy-lochead
brown-mckain
Kwasnik--------Gao
Smeltz---- whoever
bench;
Durante
Daniel
Moss
Costa/ Coveny
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This is the line up for me
Moss paston
Moss
muscat-Durante-siggy-lochead
brown-mckain
Lei Lei Gao------Kwasnik
Smeltz---- Coveny
Plodder
Daniel
dodd
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nah not really, hes a similar player to brown (probably because of his age). I think hes good defensively, i just think we need someone whos gonna get forward, look to knock it into covs and the wide players early and inject a bit of pace in the mid.
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Considering Pastons last appearence last season, yesterdays game was inspirational. He did really really well and one thing I did notice about his style - he catches the ball, not punches it.
Dodd, had what I consider IMHO, his best ever game for the Nix. Him and Sigmund kept three of the more dangerous attacking players in the League fairly quiet.
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i think sigmund should play RB i know he a CB but he's better than Mulliagan
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Siggy is all at sea at right back, in my opinion. It is not his position and he should never be played there. I think that Mulligan COULD be decent. You have to remember that he didn't play for a few months before coming to the Nix. At the moment Muscat is the better option.
valeo2008-09-29 16:17:26
valeo2008-09-29 16:17:26
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putting Mulligan back in is not an option
Founder
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Actually Siggy has played as a Centre Midfielder a Centre Back and Left and Right backs at various clubs he has been with.
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mulligan, though his own failure to perform despite several chances, has to be 3rd or 4th option right now at RB. Herbert has tough choices at CB. Siggy and Dodd did great job and are best in those spots, but Durante has been a stand out so far this year. he has played pretty consistently over the first few matches and is also a seasoned pro, proven game after game at this level. He has to start. the question is whether he has to start at CB or whether the balance of the team is best with him at RB.
I still think Daniel treated pretty rough. He has generally played ok this year. Kwasnik and Gao played pretty well yesterday, but had not played as well as Daniel in previous matches. Id like to see him get a run against Newcastle on the left.
Brown was a bit slow on the ball and some of his passes could have been better, but he stormed around the park, did a mountain of work, got back and got forward and popped up with a goal. He is a midfielder with a tendency to score the odd goal - which we desperately need. He has to be locked in.
Otherwise, despite the win, and the vast improvement, I still have qustion marks over Covs and Johnson. Covs struggling to make an impact. I think you have to offer more than a physical presence. If he was scoring goals that would be one thing, but he's got one so far in his Nix career. Johnson was, again, pretty anonymous. Still not convinced there.
Lochy much improved, Smeltzy class, Paston solid (v good on crosses), Muscat did a job, Christie and Ferrante did what they could in short time.
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Actually Siggy has played as a Centre Midfielder a Centre Back and Left and Right backs at various clubs he has been with.
Kwasnik has been played as a striker when he definately isn't one. Siggy just seems to suit CB from what i've seen of him. Even when he came on v Perth for a short amount of time his positional play at right back was not up to scratch.
valeo2008-09-29 16:55:19
a.haak
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--Durante--Dodd--Sigmund--Lochhead--
-Gao-------Brown--Johnson--Kwasnik
----------Covs---------Smeltz-----------
Perhaps a little harsh on Muscat, he did very well, I just feel we can't keep a player of Durante's quality benched, but it would be the only change I'd make.
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i really think hearfield should start against his old club...
Thats a surprise!
I'd like to see the same team with the exception of Durante in for Muscat, Moss for Paston, and possibly McKain for Johnson.
Bench of Daniel, Christie, McKain/Johnson, Paston
Edit: Cheers to radioman, Muscat, not Mulligan
whats that suppose to mean? he was dropped after one poor performance...
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--------------Moss
Sigmund-Dodd-Durante-Lochhead
Gao--Brown--McKain--Daniel
----------Smeltz-Coveny
Sigmund-Dodd-Durante-Lochhead
Gao--Brown--McKain--Daniel
----------Smeltz-Coveny
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Paston
Muscat Dura Siggy Lochhead
Brown Ferrante
Bertos Gao Kwasnik
Smeltz
Moss
Daniel
Mulligan
Coveny
Paston - Controlled his box beautifully, deserves another start.
Muscat - All up and down the right, defence and attack.
Dura - If he's fit our captain has to play.
Siggy - The better of our terrific CBs yesterday, so gets the spot alongside Dura
Lochhead - Who else?
Brown - Finally Brown is fit enough to start, and he's doing veryu nicely in the MotM poll.
Ferrante - Can't get why Johnson started against Bling, he was anonymous and Ferrante has much nicer distribution.
Bertos - If he's fit, I'd love to see him play. One thing we may have been missing yesterday was a true right winger (until plodder came on of course).
Gao - Hopefully he can keep up the full effort for longer next game, but having said that it'd be nice to see either him or Kwas make way for Daniel in the 2nd 45.
Kwasnik - He showed that on the wing he can perform, and I think he'll soon get the goal to open up the floodgates.
Smeltz - Like Lochhead, who else?
Bench
Moss - Sorry, but I loved the look of Paston.
Daniel - I'd like to see him brought on this time.
Mulligan - Can cover a good few positions.
Coveny - Like to see him as a supersub, not really up to more than 45 of HAL-level football
Oska2008-09-29 18:37:10You know we belong together...
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putting Mulligan back in is not an option
I'm with you on this one, Mulligan had enough chances to impress and never even looked promising or even interested. Now he's at the back of the right back queue.
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for me it is relatively simple
those lads got us our first win of the season
if you reward a winner by dropping them, you are sending the wrong message
so, same starting line up
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It's a good point tigers, but when I posted my lineup I made 3 changes, took out Coveny and Johnson because for me they underperformed, so in comes Bertos (if fit) and Ferrante.
My other change was Dodd for Durante, because if he is math-fit our captain should play.
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My team would be:
Moss
Muscat Sigmund Durante Lochhead
Brown Mckain
Gao/Bertos Kwasnik
Smeltz Hearfield/Draper/Costa
Subs:
Paston
Coveny
Dodd
Gao/Daniel
Im pretty much with you on this.
Moss HAS to play. TBH, Paston had very little to do yesterday compared to what Phoenix goalies normally have to contend with. He had one decent effort to save, and he let it in.
All the other saves he made were expected - if he had missed one of them then he would have been absolutely castigated on here. Moss it is then.
I guess Durante will come in, but its a bit tough on Dodd.
Sigmund was superlative and surely cant be replaced.
Gao will start, Bertos on bench at best (more likely Daniel I think)
Can you really see him dropping last weeks captain, Johnson, even if you and I think he should be ? Johnson will play and McKain (or Dodd) will be be on the bench.
I think Ferrante (or possibly Daniel) will play behind Smeltz
So that means we have:
Moss
Muscat Sigmund Durante Lochhead
Brown Johnson
Gao Ferrante Kwasnik
Smeltz
Subs:
Paston
Dodd
Daniel
Bertos Mckain or Christie
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Muscat is pretty average, Mulligan should definetly be in front of him.
Was Mulligan dropped or injured yesterday? If he was dropped, he aint coming back in for Muscat next week.
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Injured. Doesn't deserve a place in the team anyway.
Perhaps Paston is a better organiser of the defence than Moss? Anyone got any thoughts?
valeo2008-09-29 21:05:43
My team would be:
Moss
Muscat Sigmund Durante Lochhead
Brown Mckain
Gao/Bertos Kwasnik
Smeltz Hearfield/Draper/Costa
Subs:
Paston
Coveny
Dodd
Gao/Daniel
Im pretty much with you on this.
Moss HAS to play. TBH, Paston had very little to do yesterday
compared to what Phoenix goalies normally have to contend with. He had
one decent effort to save, and he let it in.
All the other saves he made were expected - if he had missed one
of them then he would have been absolutely castigated on here. Moss it
is then.
Perhaps Paston is a better organiser of the defence than Moss? Anyone got any thoughts?
valeo2008-09-29 21:05:43
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Can you really see him dropping last weeks captain, Johnson, even if you and I think he should be ? Johnson will play and McKain (or Dodd) will be be on the bench.
But is this thread about what we think will be played or what should be played?
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By the way, it's just a theory but the limited amount of mossy-style saves Pasty at to make could have something to do with his organisation of the defence and a very committed Brown chasing the Blingers down. We were up against what is supposed to be one of the two best strikeforces in the league and the defence were solid enough to barely give them a look-in past the 30 minute mark. I'll say it again though, it's just a theory and I'm very unsure as to who would be the better option in goal. This is however (as Smithy pointed out to me yesterday) a very positive problem to have.
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Moss was great last year, but standard this year. Paston has a good reputation as an organised keeper and looked great in the air which is Mossys weakness. Paston also made one great save. Hard choice
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By the way, it's just a theory but the limited amount of mossy-style saves Pasty at to make could have something to do with his organisation of the defence ...
Do you really believe that a few shouts from the 'keeper could make all the difference?
I dont
The saves Ive seen Moss make this season are mostly down to utter crap defending.
To be honest, Id be more confident having him standing between the sticks than Paston.
Paston did look elegant the way he moved around the box, but ( Ive only seem him play 3 times) I still have doubts about his shot stopping ability. I would have backed Moss to save that one yesterday, but thats pure speculation.
Moss has it for me still.
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Is this game on Monday? Sounds like interesting timing, Monday 3pm.
simon_hampton2008-09-29 21:29:27
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Public Holiday in Aus. Game is at 18:00 here.
Anyone who was at yesterdays match MUST be at the Kings wearing the exact same gear you were wearing.
Anyone who was at yesterdays match MUST be at the Kings wearing the exact same gear you were wearing.
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----------------------------------Moss--------------------------------
Muscat--------Durante------------Sigmund--------------Lochy-----
Gao-----------Brown--------------Mulligan--------------Daniel
--------------Smeltz-----------------Coveny------------
Need a creative force through the midfield so mulligan in for johnson. Do not need 2 destroyers if brown is already there
Moss is a step above paston and can make those match winning saves
Daniel brings a lift to the whole side
Sigmund had a blinder in the weekend so cant be dropped
Bertos on 60minutes in
Muscat--------Durante------------Sigmund--------------Lochy-----
Gao-----------Brown--------------Mulligan--------------Daniel
--------------Smeltz-----------------Coveny------------
Need a creative force through the midfield so mulligan in for johnson. Do not need 2 destroyers if brown is already there
Moss is a step above paston and can make those match winning saves
Daniel brings a lift to the whole side
Sigmund had a blinder in the weekend so cant be dropped
Bertos on 60minutes in
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I guess if Paston gets dropped he would be very justified in looking elsewhere...what else does he have to do?
I thought he looked much more comfortable under the high ball than Moss...but also concede that when two centre backs are doing their job it probably rubs off a bit.
Does anyone recall (I think) Ferrante and Brown remonstrating with each other late on? What was all that about, I missed it...or perhaps just two blokes pumped up nearing a priceless 3 points?
I thought he looked much more comfortable under the high ball than Moss...but also concede that when two centre backs are doing their job it probably rubs off a bit.
Does anyone recall (I think) Ferrante and Brown remonstrating with each other late on? What was all that about, I missed it...or perhaps just two blokes pumped up nearing a priceless 3 points?
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It seems to me that Moss is a better shot stopper, but only marginally, Paston is by no means lacking in this department. Paston is also alot more confident coming for crosses corners etc, much better then Moss. Pastons communication also seems to be better, and yes this is a (very) important aspect of being a keeper. The final point that i dont think anyone has mentioned, is that Pastons distribution is better. He seems to think faster on his feet and his kicks are more accurate than Moss' which are sometimes but not often wayward. For these reasons I would start Paston
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It seems to me that Moss is a better shot stopper, but only marginally, Paston is by no means lacking in this department. Paston is also alot more confident coming for crosses corners etc, much better then Moss. Pastons communication also seems to be better, and yes this is a (very) important aspect of being a keeper. The final point that i dont think anyone has mentioned, is that Pastons distribution is better. He seems to think faster on his feet and his kicks are more accurate than Moss' which are sometimes but not often wayward. For these reasons I would start Paston
Agreed in the past the Nix have needed a better shot-stopper because there have been so many shots but Paston has shown he is capable of organizing the defence so less shots are taken by the opposition.
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By the way, it's just a theory but the limited amount of mossy-style saves Pasty at to make could have something to do with his organisation of the defence ...
Do you really believe that a few shouts from the 'keeper could make all the difference?
I dont
The saves Ive seen Moss make this season are mostly down to utter crap defending.
To be honest, Id be more confident having him standing between the sticks than Paston.
Paston did look elegant the way he moved around the box, but ( Ive only seem him play 3 times) I still have doubts about his shot stopping ability. I would have backed Moss to save that one yesterday, but thats pure speculation.
Moss has it for me still.
Paston at 194cm is a full 7cm taller than Moss and he couldn't even get a hand to it. Frank Juric at 196cm is the only 'keeper in the league who could have got his hand to the ball and kept it out and even thats debatable.
Marius Lacatus2008-09-30 09:23:46
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Need a creative force through the midfield so Mulligan in for johnson.
Hmm...
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