Fortean, you clearly choose to remember the negatives only.
Saying that, we've been poor more often than we've been good. Perhaps that is the reason.
Buffon - stop jumping on the bandwagon and acting like the big man. Do one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
Consider me on the bandwagon as well with Buffy.
Grumpy old bastard alert
So 20 shots on goal and no goals is Ernies fault? Sorry I can't follow that logic.
People have the right to question everything about the club, especially when things are not going right. But something had to change at the club. Last year we had easily the oldest squad in the comp. If Ricki had stayed on as coach he would sooner or later realised that he had to try and renew the squad. You can't keep competitive with a bunch of guys in their early thirties. Thats why I am prepared to give Ernie time. If he does a cleanout next season and gets the players he wants and after 8 games we are winless then I will be right in the Ernie is crap camp
In the mean time he has to work with a squad where most of his best players are in their early thirties and showing signs of not being up to playing a full 90 at a high level. He did not recruit Hernandez, Ifill, Siggy, Durante, Stein, Moss, Bertos, Lia etc.....but they are the best we have and he has to make it work with these players. The players he did recruit are mainly youngsters..Hick, Caira, Rufer, Ridenton etc. They have great potential but still have a long way to go to be good A-league players. He did recruit players like Riera and Cunningham and both of them are now looking to be settling into the team nicely.
I know this sounds odd....but I am really enjoying the football at the moment. OK the results suck. But the games are hugely entertaining. There is no going back and there is no quick fixes. I think Ernie needs time to get his own team together and get them playing his game with his players.....after that we can start judging him!!!!!
Disagree. If Gareth opened his wallet in the transfer window and bought a quality striker, that would fix an awful lot. Might turn things around straight away.
Oh I knew you'd be there Jeff.
At what point does your clique consider it 'acceptable' to have negative thoughts on the team? 10 games without a win? 20 games? The entire season?
At the end of the day, we have different views on what we're prepared to accept. Difference is I don't jump on your posts every single time you say something I disagree with and have all my chums join in the witch hunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
Your problem Steve-O is that you never have anything positive to contribute. So you want to be negative? Go for it, but at least suggest a solution. You're all just 'this is shit, that shit and everything is shit' and that's all. What do you gain from being here? You provide little in terms of analysis to at least become a better team. Zero insight.
Incidentally, you are only ever here when it's raining and never when the sun is shining. Even when we win, you still fucking whinge about how shit it was.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Jeff you've said as much before, but when are all these wins where I disappear?? How many games have we won in 2013?
Accusing me of being negative 'even when we win' when we do not win, seemingly ever at the moment, does not make any sense.
How can I come up with a solution exactly? We need to buy new players.
I can't see where I've said 'everything is shit' but you keep perpetuating that myth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
Your problem Steve-O is that you never have anything positive to contribute. So you want to be negative? Go for it, but at least suggest a solution. You're all just 'this is shit, that shit and everything is shit' and that's all. What do you gain from being here? You provide little in terms of analysis to at least become a better team. Zero insight.
Incidentally, you are only ever here when it's raining and never when the sun is shining. Even when we win, you still fucking whinge about how shit it was.
"Phoenix till they lose"
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So 20 shots on goal and no goals is Ernies fault? Sorry I can't follow that logic.
People have the right to question everything about the club, especially when things are not going right. But something had to change at the club. Last year we had easily the oldest squad in the comp. If Ricki had stayed on as coach he would sooner or later realised that he had to try and renew the squad. You can't keep competitive with a bunch of guys in their early thirties. Thats why I am prepared to give Ernie time. If he does a cleanout next season and gets the players he wants and after 8 games we are winless then I will be right in the Ernie is crap camp
In the mean time he has to work with a squad where most of his best players are in their early thirties and showing signs of not being up to playing a full 90 at a high level. He did not recruit Hernandez, Ifill, Siggy, Durante, Stein, Moss, Bertos, Lia etc.....but they are the best we have and he has to make it work with these players. The players he did recruit are mainly youngsters..Hick, Caira, Rufer, Ridenton etc. They have great potential but still have a long way to go to be good A-league players. He did recruit players like Riera and Cunningham and both of them are now looking to be settling into the team nicely.
I know this sounds odd....but I am really enjoying the football at the moment. OK the results suck. But the games are hugely entertaining. There is no going back and there is no quick fixes. I think Ernie needs time to get his own team together and get them playing his game with his players.....after that we can start judging him!!!!!
Disagree. If Gareth opened his wallet in the transfer window and bought a quality striker, that would fix an awful lot. Might turn things around straight away.
LOL
So thats the quick fix solution.? So where is that mythical striker going to come from? From the same place as the mythical gun DM that Ernie hoped to recruit and quickly found out that NO quality player wants to come to the arse end of the planet to play for a team at the arse end of the comp?.
Some people need a serious reality check. Wellington NZ is NOT the place where quality strikers consider as a good career move. We could not even keep hold of Kevin Gamero??? and he was far from a quality striker. Its is not like ordering a pizza.....you just don't dial one up...LOL
The Nix is a professional club is it not? If there was relegation in this league money would be found for a player able to put the ball in the net, otherwise bye-bye Phoenix. I'm talking A-League quality, not Euro quality. You saying they should just stick with what's there now? How many punters will show next year in Wngtn. if the wins don't come and the playing record starts looking something like 0 7 14? 0 8 17 ....? How much was Gareth offering NZF again? 5 mill, wasn't it? Sounds to me like he's got money to burn.
btw What sort of scouting network does the club have anyway if any?
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I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Gareth should just give us the $5m, less likely to waste it than NZF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
Pretty good at the asbp level...
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^ He should certainly make a decent wodge available for a decent striker in the Jan window.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Gareth should just give us the $5m, less likely to waste it than NZF!
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
$5 million would go a long way towards some better training facilities. And if it's a neighbours/resource consent/zoning type of issue holding them back then look for alternatives. There are public high schools with better facilities than the Phoenix. Might help us attract/retain players too, and would fit with the overall strategy of the club. Of course, that's only if you believe Gareth was willing to part with that much cash and not just saying it because he knew there was no way the government would agree.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Of course, that's only if you believe Gareth was willing to part with that much cash and not just saying it because he knew there was no way the government would agree.
Silly comment - Gareth has a track record of putting his money where his mouth is.
My take on where we are:
- The group of season ticket holders I go with are enjoying the football - eyes not bleeding from watching dire crap is a refreshing change from the last couple of seasons
- Needless to say results are disappointing not helped by completely fucked up travelling circus approach to the start of the season
- Some players are not delivering - Hernandez and Brockie. Most however are playing close to potential and others are getting better week by week e.g. Kenny and Fenton.
- We are short a couple of quality mid-fielders (have been for years) and a goal scorer (should be Brockie).
- I think Ernie needs another off season to finish freeing up salary cap and rejuvinating a squad that just got too old - I suspect Bertos, Lia and some of our aging players are chewing up more of the cap than can be justifed based on their stage of career / contribution
- I like and absolutely support what Ernie is trying to do and don't doubt the path he and the owners are taking us down (much better football to watch and youth focus) will eventually pay dividends. I do think once the cap and squad places are further freed up we will be in a better position to find an optimal balance between growing our own (i.e. youth) and bringing in a few more better players.
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
Well if the government said yes, we'll give NZF $10m and the NZF board agreed to resign I'm sure he would have forked over the cash - I don't think he'd go back on that promise. I was more just pointing out that it was highly unlikely that his bluff would get called on that offer so it's not like the money was ever close to being handed over. I think he did it more as a publicity exercise to try and get media attention on governance in NZF and to try and generate debate. I don't think he's sitting there with $5m burning a whole in his pocket, just waiting to spend it on football.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Of course, that's only if you believe Gareth was willing to part with that much cash and not just saying it because he knew there was no way the government would agree.
Silly comment - Gareth has a track record of putting his money where his mouth is.
My take on where we are:
- The group of season ticket holders I go with are enjoying the football - eyes not bleeding from watching dire crap is a refreshing change from the last couple of seasons
- Needless to say results are disappointing not helped by completely fucked up travelling circus approach to the start of the season
- Some players are not delivering - Hernandez and Brockie. Most however are playing close to potential and others are getting better week by week e.g. Kenny and Fenton.
- We are short a couple of quality mid-fielders (have been for years) and a goal scorer (should be Brockie).
- I think Ernie needs another off season to finish freeing up salary cap and rejuvinating a squad that just got too old - I suspect Bertos, Lia and some of our aging players are chewing up more of the cap than can be justifed based on their stage of career / contribution
- I like and absolutely support what Ernie is trying to do and don't doubt the path he and the owners are taking us down (much better football to watch and youth focus) will eventually pay dividends. I do think once the cap and squad places are further freed up we will be in a better position to find an optimal balance between growing our own (i.e. youth) and bringing in a few more better players.
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
Of course, that's only if you believe Gareth was willing to part with that much cash and not just saying it because he knew there was no way the government would agree.
Silly comment - Gareth has a track record of putting his money where his mouth is.
My take on where we are:
- The group of season ticket holders I go with are enjoying the football - eyes not bleeding from watching dire crap is a refreshing change from the last couple of seasons
- Needless to say results are disappointing not helped by completely fucked up travelling circus approach to the start of the season
- Some players are not delivering - Hernandez and Brockie. Most however are playing close to potential and others are getting better week by week e.g. Kenny and Fenton.
- We are short a couple of quality mid-fielders (have been for years) and a goal scorer (should be Brockie).
- I think Ernie needs another off season to finish freeing up salary cap and rejuvinating a squad that just got too old - I suspect Bertos, Lia and some of our aging players are chewing up more of the cap than can be justifed based on their stage of career / contribution
- I like and absolutely support what Ernie is trying to do and don't doubt the path he and the owners are taking us down (much better football to watch and youth focus) will eventually pay dividends. I do think once the cap and squad places are further freed up we will be in a better position to find an optimal balance between growing our own (i.e. youth) and bringing in a few more better players.
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Of course, that's only if you believe Gareth was willing to part with that much cash and not just saying it because he knew there was no way the government would agree.
Silly comment - Gareth has a track record of putting his money where his mouth is.
My take on where we are:
- The group of season ticket holders I go with are enjoying the football - eyes not bleeding from watching dire crap is a refreshing change from the last couple of seasons
- Needless to say results are disappointing not helped by completely fucked up travelling circus approach to the start of the season
- Some players are not delivering - Hernandez and Brockie. Most however are playing close to potential and others are getting better week by week e.g. Kenny and Fenton.
- We are short a couple of quality mid-fielders (have been for years) and a goal scorer (should be Brockie).
- I think Ernie needs another off season to finish freeing up salary cap and rejuvinating a squad that just got too old - I suspect Bertos, Lia and some of our aging players are chewing up more of the cap than can be justifed based on their stage of career / contribution
- I like and absolutely support what Ernie is trying to do and don't doubt the path he and the owners are taking us down (much better football to watch and youth focus) will eventually pay dividends. I do think once the cap and squad places are further freed up we will be in a better position to find an optimal balance between growing our own (i.e. youth) and bringing in a few more better players.
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
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I agree with the gist of it too, but I just worry about this bit:
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
Hardcore supporters will stick around, but will owners and sponsors and most importantly the FFA still be interested in us? If we come last again this year even with more money available will it be easy to attract new players? If youth development takes a few years to kick in, will it be in time? After this season I believe there's only 3 more until our license is up for renewal - we need to be competitive by then or else we're screwed. Welnix are already taking games away to other centres to make money - if Wellington attendances drop to 4000 or so then what? Will sponsors be interested in being attached to a losing brand?
Not being negative but just saying that we can't afford many more "transition" years.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
What you are suggesting Conan is ultimately what I am worried about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
I agree with the gist of it too, but I just worry about this bit:
- I do accept we may take some attendence pain as the club goes through the transition. Luck we have owners, sponsors and hardcore supporters to see us through.
Hardcore supporters will stick around, but will owners and sponsors and most importantly the FFA still be interested in us? If we come last again this year even with more money available will it be easy to attract new players? If youth development takes a few years to kick in, will it be in time? After this season I believe there's only 3 more until our license is up for renewal - we need to be competitive by then or else we're screwed. Welnix are already taking games away to other centres to make money - if Wellington attendances drop to 4000 or so then what? Will sponsors be interested in being attached to a losing brand?
Not being negative but just saying that we can't afford many more "transition" years.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.
I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.
I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc
I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.
I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.
I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.
No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.
We were discussing developments at my place, and the point was made about shopping overseas. Anyone who watched the recent event where Rufer & co. played couldn't miss the Nigerian performance- these lads have got some enormous talent. Get past this fixation with South Americans in the A-League (it very rarely works out anyway) and look afresh elsewhere. I would guess a few young Nigerian players may see Welly as an opportunity. Oh, and they also speak English......
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
Do they come with rich or dying relatives that have $76 million locked away that I could help them get access to for a small administrative fee (with the mercy of our lord our saviour, the righteous and holy Jesus Christ)?
Grumpy old bastard alert
So 20 shots on goal and no goals is Ernies fault? Sorry I can't follow that logic.
People have the right to question everything about the club, especially when things are not going right. But something had to change at the club. Last year we had easily the oldest squad in the comp. If Ricki had stayed on as coach he would sooner or later realised that he had to try and renew the squad. You can't keep competitive with a bunch of guys in their early thirties. Thats why I am prepared to give Ernie time. If he does a cleanout next season and gets the players he wants and after 8 games we are winless then I will be right in the Ernie is crap camp
In the mean time he has to work with a squad where most of his best players are in their early thirties and showing signs of not being up to playing a full 90 at a high level. He did not recruit Hernandez, Ifill, Siggy, Durante, Stein, Moss, Bertos, Lia etc.....but they are the best we have and he has to make it work with these players. The players he did recruit are mainly youngsters..Hick, Caira, Rufer, Ridenton etc. They have great potential but still have a long way to go to be good A-league players. He did recruit players like Riera and Cunningham and both of them are now looking to be settling into the team nicely.
I know this sounds odd....but I am really enjoying the football at the moment. OK the results suck. But the games are hugely entertaining. There is no going back and there is no quick fixes. I think Ernie needs time to get his own team together and get them playing his game with his players.....after that we can start judging him!!!!!
Disagree. If Gareth opened his wallet in the transfer window and bought a quality striker, that would fix an awful lot. Might turn things around straight away.
LOL
So thats the quick fix solution.? So where is that mythical striker going to come from? From the same place as the mythical gun DM that Ernie hoped to recruit and quickly found out that NO quality player wants to come to the arse end of the planet to play for a team at the arse end of the comp?.
Some people need a serious reality check. Wellington NZ is NOT the place where quality strikers consider as a good career move. We could not even keep hold of Kevin Gamero??? and he was far from a quality striker. Its is not like ordering a pizza.....you just don't dial one up...LOL
The Nix is a professional club is it not? If there was relegation in this league money would be found for a player able to put the ball in the net, otherwise bye-bye Phoenix. I'm talking A-League quality, not Euro quality. You saying they should just stick with what's there now? How many punters will show next year in Wngtn. if the wins don't come and the playing record starts looking something like 0 7 14? 0 8 17 ....? How much was Gareth offering NZF again? 5 mill, wasn't it? Sounds to me like he's got money to burn.
btw What sort of scouting network does the club have anyway if any?
Queenslander 3x a year.
We were discussing developments at my place, and the point was made about shopping overseas. Anyone who watched the recent event where Rufer & co. played couldn't miss the Nigerian performance- these lads have got some enormous talent. Get past this fixation with South Americans in the A-League (it very rarely works out anyway) and look afresh elsewhere. I would guess a few young Nigerian players may see Welly as an opportunity. Oh, and they also speak English......
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Four words on the subject of scouting young African players: Sery Elie de Campos.
No. That's only the lady ones. Tried scoring there?
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.
I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.
I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc
I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.
I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.
I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.
No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
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I suspect none of us think there are any more Terry S's waiting in the wings to write off $Ms on the Nix so the only way the Nix will endure is if the business model is sustainable. Identifying, growing and, occassionally, flogging off NZ talent seems to be a key part of that model. It is also complementary to the owners' ownership motivation of wanting to advance NZ football.
I don't think Ernie can get much more out of the squad he inherited (too many ageing / average payers being paid > their value). He will have the opportunity to make the squad his own this coming off season when a decent number of players are off contract - then the pressure will rightly be on him to deliver.
I think the owners committed to 5 years (?) so there's a couple more seasons after this one for the Nix to solidify (on and off the pitch). I think they too are going through a learning curve - optimum youth development structures, importance of playing at home etc
I wouldn't worry at all about the FFA's commitment - they have bent over backwards to keep the Nix in the past and clearly want NZ as part of the A-League advertising / sponsorship market.
I also think the growing success of the A-League, in terms of its marketability, will financially assist all clubs including the Nix.
I frankly don't see any other option than the path currently being taken if there is to be a Nix in 10 years.
No point worrying about it - just be there and sing.
Normo's coming home
Four words on the subject of scouting young African players: Sery Elie de Campos.
Three for me, and two for them.
Four words on the subject of scouting young African players: Sery Elie de Campos.
Yep. Lets never sign anyone from anywhere because every country or continent has produced at least one shite player at some point in history.
Thank you
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
Four words on the subject of scouting young African players: Sery Elie de Campos.
Yep. Lets never sign anyone from anywhere because every country or continent has produced at least one shite player at some point in history.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Four words on the subject of scouting young African players: Sery Elie de Campos.
Well, that's the point. I'm not saying "African footballers are crap" - I'd love to have an African or two, because I've thought for a while that the Nix has no idea how to counter them (Traore and Ibini always seemed to go through us for a short cut). I was saying "certain developing nations are rife with scamming sons-of-bitches who can fool even reputable professional agents, especially re: youth players".
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Well, that's the point. I'm not saying "African footballers are crap" - I'd love to have an African or two, because I've thought for a while that the Nix has no idea how to counter them (Traore and Ibini always seemed to go through us for a short cut). I was saying "certain developing nations are rife with scamming sons-of-bitches who can fool even reputable professional agents, especially re: youth players".
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