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Coaching Angst (it's one result away)

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

All things point to Ricki. Sorry guys but he's way out of he's league.

I don't think he has a league, don't even think he's done well resently as NZ coach.
Oh goody we topped the assed end of football, oceania.
Yes thats all we can do for now but we still conceded goals to very very average sides.
Ricki's crap. 
Sack him, now.
 
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Hes out of his league and never coached at this level before? True never mind the winning run he took a sh*t NZK squad on at the very end of their existence when the players had by all means given up.
 
As for international coaching...hes taken us to within 2 games of a world cup by easily going through oceania qualifying unbeaten.
 
Meh. Its only these last 5 games you can count as being crap. I actually cant believe we are having this discussion at the moment...wait until the end of the season at least

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Its not Ricky who is on the field playing is it? He may not get the formations right but the players could help by not playing like headless chickens who don't actually want to score.
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I still dont think just getting rid of Ricki  is going to be the magic solution to the teams problems.Its way past time the players showed us some heart,the efforts since the season proper started are just not up to standard.We keep hearing that they love the support given to them,well guys how about paying us back.

Today we also see another player seemingly having a crack,as i questioned earlier in the season i think the problems may be running a little deeper than just the coaching.Whatever it is the players need to look at themselves and be honest that the efforts that many have been putting in are way below what is expected.Its time they showed some bottle and get rid of the crap they have been making us watch.
ballane2008-09-22 14:09:48

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Tegal wrote:

But my point is those have kind of been our major problems this season



Sorry if I misunderstood, but I thought you were saying if we made some changes that you'd suggested we'd have quality players all over the park, and I just don't think that's the case.
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ballane wrote:

I still dont think just getting rid of Ricki is going to be the magic solution to the teams problems.Its way past time the players showed us some heart,the efforts since the season proper started are just not up to standard.We keep hearing that they love the support given to them,well guys how about paying us back.Today we also see another player seemingly having a crack,as i questioned earlier in the season i think the problems may be running a little deeper than just the coaching.Whatever it is the players need to look at themselves and be honest that the efforts that many have been putting in are way below what is expected.Its time they showed some bottle and get rid of the crap they have been making us watch.


What do you mean by this ??
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gings wrote:
Jeez, it seems some people are getting a rugby mentality, "things go wrong sack the coach" is a disappointing and disgraceful attitude. there's 11 "professional" footballers out on the pitch, many with international experience so dont blame Ricki for their lacking performances.

 
how is that a rugby attitude? the only time you hear the public call for a coaches head is if they lose a world cup. football, much more than rugby sacks coaches when things are going wrong. i can't ever recall a rugby coach getting the sack during a campaign or season yet it happens all the time in football. it's a classic football attitude more than anything.
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whitby fever wrote:
ballane wrote:

I still dont think just getting rid of Ricki is going to be the magic solution to the teams problems.Its way past time the players showed us some heart,the efforts since the season proper started are just not up to standard.We keep hearing that they love the support given to them,well guys how about paying us back.Today we also see another player seemingly having a crack,as i questioned earlier in the season i think the problems may be running a little deeper than just the coaching.Whatever it is the players need to look at themselves and be honest that the efforts that many have been putting in are way below what is expected.Its time they showed some bottle and get rid of the crap they have been making us watch.


What do you mean by this ??
Bertos is being quoted on radio sport as saying he thought the defensive problems from last year had been sorted.I could be wrong but i cant recall any players last year being critical in the media,yet here we have 2 in quick succession.Makes you wonder

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whitby fever wrote:
ballane wrote:

I still dont think just getting rid of Ricki is going to be the magic solution to the teams problems.Its way past time the players showed us some heart,the efforts since the season proper started are just not up to standard.We keep hearing that they love the support given to them,well guys how about paying us back.Today we also see another player seemingly having a crack,as i questioned earlier in the season i think the problems may be running a little deeper than just the coaching.Whatever it is the players need to look at themselves and be honest that the efforts that many have been putting in are way below what is expected.Its time they showed some bottle and get rid of the crap they have been making us watch.


What do you mean by this ??


He's referring to Leo's coments from Radio Sport this morning.
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Tegal wrote:
Hes out of his league and never coached at this level before? True never mind the winning run he took a sh*t NZK squad on at the very end of their existence when the players had by all means given up.
 
As for international coaching...hes taken us to within 2 games of a world cup by easily going through oceania qualifying unbeaten.
 
Meh. Its only these last 5 games you can count as being crap. I actually cant believe we are having this discussion at the moment...wait until the end of the season at least
 
Re: para 1. Old news mate
Re: para 2. Big deal, a headless chook could have done that. . Unbeaten against who???
 two games away eh, two games were we will get our arses kicked.
Re: para 3. Only the last 5 games, , how many comp games have we played this year? Wake up and believe it. If you open your eyes all thing point to Ricki. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Private enterprize doesn't wait, and a lack of action will reflect poorly on T S as a bussiness man.
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whitby fever wrote:
Its not Ricky who is on the field playing is it? He may not get the formations right but the players could help by not playing like headless chickens who don't actually want to score.
 
When your coach by a headless chook, what chance have you.
Mate he gets nothing right
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auskiwi wrote:
Tegal wrote:
Hes out of his league and never coached at this level before? True never mind the winning run he took a sh*t NZK squad on at the very end of their existence when the players had by all means given up.
 
As for international coaching...hes taken us to within 2 games of a world cup by easily going through oceania qualifying unbeaten.
 
Meh. Its only these last 5 games you can count as being crap. I actually cant believe we are having this discussion at the moment...wait until the end of the season at least
 
Re: para 1. Old news mate
Re: para 2. Big deal, a headless chook could have done that. . Unbeaten against who???
 two games away eh, two games were we will get our arses kicked.
Re: para 3. Only the last 5 games, , how many comp games have we played this year? Wake up and believe it. If you open your eyes all thing point to Ricki. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Private enterprize doesn't wait, and a lack of action will reflect poorly on T S as a bussiness man.
 
Old news maybe,but you were referring to rikis record,and how hes out of his depth,i was rebutting that.
 
Meh he still got us there.
 
We have only played 5 comp games this season. Last season we did bloody well considering the squad available and the short time it was put together. It is this season that is the problem...and its only FIVE games old. I dont get what your at by askinghow many comp games we have played? If you include the PSC,then we made the final....which only serves to strengthen my point

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auskiwi wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
Its not Ricky who is on the field playing is it? He may not get the formations right but the players could help by not playing like headless chickens who don't actually want to score.
 
When your coach by a headless chook, what chance have you.
Mate he gets nothing right
That still dosnt mean the players can be blameless for the crap efforts they are putting in.Its the easy option to blame the coach when maybe the players need to take a close look at themselves.Its not Ricki passing to the opposition,its not Ricki who isnt making decent off the ball runs,its not Ricki on the field showing little or no passion in the way they are playing.

Yes its his fault for some crap selections and substitutions but it would be nice to see someone other than Moss or Smeltz put their hand up to show that they are prerpared to put an HONEST effort in.

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auskiwi wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
Its not Ricky who is on the field playing is it? He may not get the formations right but the players could help by not playing like headless chickens who don't actually want to score.
 
When your coach by a headless chook, what chance have you.
Mate he gets nothing right
 
something has to give. how can it be that players like lochead and daniel who were standouts last year are looking really average this year.. does not make sense.  was Ross A's captaincy that critical to our team? cause that's the only thing i can think of that has changed the dynamic of the set up (along with stu jacobs being sacked).
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As a bit of an outsider (only started watching this pre season), it seems to me like Herbert hasn't really got much of a clue. I have watched every game this season, apart from yesterday, but from the reports it sounds like it was more of the same as every week so far.
 
Smeltz is a good player, but having him on his own up front is really asking a lot of him, and you need to be an excellent player to be able to play this 'target man' role week in, week out. It's not the answer every week, and especially not at home.
 
There is absolutely NO creativity in the midfield whatsoever and this is a major problem. Nowhere near enough chances are being created, and you are lucky if you are creating 3 decent chances per game - not good enough, and this is reflected in the lack of goals being scored. The wingers just aren't getting to the byline and getting crosses in, they MUST do more?
 
One thing that has really stuck out for me also, is the complete and utter lack of urgency throughout the team. Most of the time the players are strolling around like they think it's still pre season, or some kind of practice match! Is Herbert not able to motivate them? The only game where they looked interested IMO was the Melbourne game, where they still got hammered, but at least it was an exciting game and a few chances were created.
 
For Herbert to say last week's game was a good defensive performance was also baffling - it was absolutely dreadful and Moss is the man to thank for coming away from that game with a point. 1 decent chance the entire game at home is poor stuff and crowds are already dwindling due to the 'entertainment' on offer.
 
I hope that they REALLY go for it this weekend against Sydney, and at least give us something to cheer. Actually looking 'up for it' would be a start!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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So if the deed is done, who's the new boss?

E + R + O

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Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
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Terryslovechild,since when do you make sense (or rather since when do i agree with you)  


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Well said Steve-O
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I'm thinking we put a bet on with the nix players. $5000 bar tab if they loose for us (out of their pockets) 10,000 at the game after if they win Motivation enough?
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Haha could work.

Better not get a draw though!! Thatd leave no one happy


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Woah.. how quickly some people turn. Personally I have never rated Herbert's recruitment, selections and replacements, but sacking him after 5 games would be knee-jerk stuff. At least give him until the end of this season and see where we stand. He deserves a chance to turn things around. 
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Agree with Steve-O above.
 
Also a coach who waits and waits and waits before making substitutions, and when he does we discover (or already knew) that the bench had the wrong people on it shows a real lack of firstly - ability to read the game and deviate from the original gameplan  when things are going wrong and secondly - not having though about plan B. and taken the right players for either plan.
 
JUST AS ONE EXAMPLE -
Why oh why does Costa not get a run..... Glory's defence would not have dealt with his pace, especially Harnwell who was coing back off a long layoff? Anyone small running at him would have cause grief. Does RH not think of these things?!
 
 
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terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!


..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)
I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.
Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.
Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...
MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.
My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.
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Tegal a draw's a loss in my books i.e. I want bar tab 
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RedGed wrote:
terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!


..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)
I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.
Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.
Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...
MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.
My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?
 
Interesting thoughts...and I think it obvious in the captains currently in the Phoenix. You may remember the naming of Durante was very late in the piece (who has never captained before) and was combined with the naming of 3 or 4 vice captains (can't remeber who) which makes almost 1/4 of the sqaud captains...just shows there is no natural leader. Maybe this was overlooked during the recruitment and no leader really emerged.
 
...where as the Warriors, they have got the leadership sorted.
Brewer2008-09-22 16:21:13
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el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.


Yes the Warriors have been around for longer el grapadura but my point is this season's Warriors started in similar fashion to this season's Phoenix.The Phoenix could perhaps learn from the strategy and attitude the Warriors have applied to change their season.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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RedGed wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.


Yes the Warriors have been around for longer el grapadura but my point is this season's Warriors started in similar fashion to this season's Phoenix.The Phoenix could perhaps learn from the strategy and attitude the Warriors have applied to change their season.

Yeah, the warriors won 9/10 of their last 12 games or so to get where they are now. Something similar for the Phoenix could happen. Lets try learn as much as we can from other codes
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I'm with ya Brewer. And I do think the warriors is the best case study we've got to model ourselves on. We might be playing different codes but we are playing in an Australian league, with salary caps, in a code that' not our strongest, with a smaller talent pool, why not learn from them? They were sh*te at the start, but given a few seasons, some imports and some leadership they were able to go far. I think we're missing the leadership from Aloisi and the unity we had last year because it was the first season, we all bound together (players, coaches, management...fans) and pushed hard. This year we've been expecting miracles and have broken ranks.
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i could probably find herbert quoting sometime last year somewhere - that year two we will make the top 4 and be in the semi finals. hes set himselve up with that comment and he said it on numerous occasions.
 
ill give him to the end of the season if thats what he needs to prove to the fans and club to get into that top 4 - if he dosnt he must go.
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Its fair enough to take inspiration from the warriors but we still need somethign to change whether it is the line up or the coach. The warriors play with passion and no one is an untouchable in the squad. A lot of those players are fighting for their spot every week and thats what we need at the phoenix. The players aren't showing any passion or pride in what they are doing but Herbert just keeps giving them a second chance, we need to tell them that if they are playing poorly, they will be dropped. 
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RedGed wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.
Yes the Warriors have been around for longer el grapadura but my point is this season's Warriors started in similar fashion to this season's Phoenix.The Phoenix could perhaps learn from the strategy and attitude the Warriors have applied to change their season.


The point I'm trying to make is that 12years ago, in their second year, the Warriors would have struggled to make that kind of a run, since their pool of players then was comparable to what we have now.
The Warriors have earned their due over the last 7-8 years, and are able to attract the best Australian talent to come over to Auckland (Price, Tate, McKinnon). We aren't able to do this at the moment, so to expect a strong winning run later on because that's what the Warriors did this year is a bit misguided.
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el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.
Yes the Warriors have been around for longer el grapadura but my point is this season's Warriors started in similar fashion to this season's Phoenix.The Phoenix could perhaps learn from the strategy and attitude the Warriors have applied to change their season.


The point I'm trying to make is that 12years ago, in their second year, the Warriors would have struggled to make that kind of a run, since their pool of players then was comparable to what we have now.
The Warriors have earned their due over the last 7-8 years, and are able to attract the best Australian talent to come over to Auckland (Price, Tate, McKinnon). We aren't able to do this at the moment, so to expect a strong winning run later on because that's what the Warriors did this year is a bit misguided.


True enough, some excellent issues raised here... Leadership,Experience
I may be expecting too much of the Phoenix in its fledgling beginnings but I would hate to have to see it go 12-13 years before it learns the lessons that it could right here, right now!!
The Phoenix could take a quantum leap from here to where ever it wants right now because,I guess at the bottom of the table, the only way is UP!!
RedGed2008-09-22 17:11:40

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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RedGed wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
RedGed wrote:

terryslovechild wrote:
Very easy to sack the coach lads but I would be looking at the weak,unskilled and heartless players. We can sack Ricki but I have two questions....Who would replace him? How many games would we win if when the new coach was in charge.....I think we need to look at the Warriors model...Wheres our Steve Price!!!!
..and our Ruben Wiki! (Covs??? actually, he's got more in him..not ready for retirement yet.)I agree terryslovechild,that the Warriors are the near-perfect role models for the Phoenix for this season...they were indifferent to poor in their early season but they have certainly come right now.Top four finishers, where the Phoenix aspire to this season, a lot could be learnt from them.Terry should get Ruben,Steve and Ivan down to "consult" with the Phoenix on what made the difference for the Warriors this season....and before the purists get stuck into me!!...MY theory is, this form slump is nothing to do with Ricki's or any of the players lack of skill and ability and everything to do with a lack of shared, focused purpose. If every individual in the Wellington Phoenix organisation, players and management, had a unity of purpose, were committed and focused on a top four finish this year it would be apparent, both on the field and off it.My question is what's distracting them and how do you get everyone unified and back on track?


Err, remember how the Warriors were doing in the first five years of their existence? Comparing the Warriors from this season with the Phoenix is a bit silly.
Yes the Warriors have been around for longer el grapadura but my point is this season's Warriors started in similar fashion to this season's Phoenix.The Phoenix could perhaps learn from the strategy and attitude the Warriors have applied to change their season.


The point I'm trying to make is that 12years ago, in their second year, the Warriors would have struggled to make that kind of a run, since their pool of players then was comparable to what we have now.
The Warriors have earned their due over the last 7-8 years, and are able to attract the best Australian talent to come over to Auckland (Price, Tate, McKinnon). We aren't able to do this at the moment, so to expect a strong winning run later on because that's what the Warriors did this year is a bit misguided.
The warriors in there first couple of years were able to recruit quality, Bell, Alexander, Blake, Platt, Betts but that is beside the point. I think the point of us lacking a Steve Price like character in the squad is more than fair but again in saying that League lends itself much more to a character like that than football does in my opinion.
One of the lessons the Warriors have taught us and the Breakers to an extent is that you need the back office in order before the on the field stuff will ever really hum. Is the lack of marketing or presence in the community a symptom of something not quite being there at Phoenix HQ and this is transferring onto the pitch. Im not sure but maybe worth a thought

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Our structure is bad, we are playing with no confidence, there is a lack of imagination, ricki  refuses to make changes early when things arent going to plan...
 
The team is chopping and changing so much players dont know where they are going..
 
Last season even thou we came 8th at least we played a good style of football, now i cant even see how we are going to score.... we need two strikers, and an attacking cetral midfielder.
 
Hate to say it, but im starting to question Ricki, I thought from the outset we didnt go to Perth to try and win.. and if we were the formation was all wrong
 
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Branko Culina?

Stu Yacobs?

Hard News?


Who is there?

E + R + O

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Branko Culina?

Stu Yacobs?

Hard News?


Who is there?



I think it is pointless even going there with names at present.

We need a good striker, and the midfield sorted before we need a new coach.

Give Ricki a top marquee, buy him in and then if he cant get results, he could go
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Branko Culina?

Stu Yacobs?

Hard News?


Who is there?



I think it is pointless even going there with names at present.

We need a good striker, and the midfield sorted before we need a new coach.

Give Ricki a top marquee, buy him in and then if he cant get results, he could go


Of course it's pointless... and so is all this crap about sacking him and yet nobody offers any realistic alternatives... it's totally non productive.

E + R + O

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Who is paying ?

This is part of the problem... a downward spiral.  We can't afford to sign another striker because we aren't making any money, we can't make any money if we don't get a crowd.  We won't get a crowd if we don't win games, we won't win games if we don't get another striker (and a functioning midfield) ... and so it goes.

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