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The owner are idiots then..

Only took over the team to better themselves.. Least Terry had ideas but stayed out of the way

Losing Luciano Trani and the footy has gone down hill... Herbert no idea (Well according to Nelly & Elliot anyway) and greeny is to green to be caoching the first team right off the bat.

We really need polls in this forums to get a good understanding of what people actually want. 

I say sack him, but i know a lot of the more vocal people here will say no

Yeah but then there would be polls every other day and repeats....

How many angst threads have we had now?

Updated for accuracy (lol).

I expect Welnix coach transition strategy will be to look for an Aussie who's on the way up with Nix being a stepping stone to a major A league club - similar club management analogy would be Tony Pignata CEO gig here. In fact maybe Tony could help.

I really hope that we have a new coach next year. In Australia those who follow the A League can not believe that there is a good chance that the Phoenix might persist with Rick Hermit next year. Any other of the teams would be making a change for much less. Most people have already accepted that Ferguson will be looking for a new job, but Hermit seems to have a lot more security around his(it seems from the outside).

Its not just the results that are telling, but if you watched the game you would almost think that there are a number of divisions seperating these teams. There were just so many things wrong with the way the team played tactically, the basics werent being done. The defending right across the park was appalling. So often little pressure was put on the ball carriers when Central Coast played out from the back, and because the Phoenix back 4 sat back quite deep the Mariners had tons of space in the midfield. It was diabolical.

The team looks completely disjointed across the park and the players just dont seem to know how to make each others jobs easier. We are a bunch of individuals playing out there, and what makes it even worse its a bunch of individuals where are lot of them arent up to the level required themselves.

Don't take it personally.

There is a Ricki cult. Born from being a kiwi, his playing days, his luck in the world cup ( wasn't Ryan coaching then), and selling making the play offs as success  (when it's six out of ten teams ). I can't remember once in the play offs when we where a serious contender. It's preetty clear to those that can see that there is so many things wrong.

Ricki picks the players, coaches the players, sorts tatics, sorts motovation, sorts focus.

How's that going???

Did he give contracts to players that can't play football or can he not coach football?

Either one is bad enough but I think it's both.

If Ricki wasn't a kiwi, he would be long gone. Was does that tell you.

Unfortunatly it seems because of this the Nix has to be dragged through the gutter before people start to question why. Even then many will be in denial. Thats the Ricki cult for you.

My thoughts exactly. But as an ACFC follower it's sometimes difficult saying it.

I'm not taking it personally. I answered your question straight up. The facts are that Ricki is safe for 2 years based on the statements of 4 people. Fans can bitch whinge piss and moan all they like about it but thats the reality so why waste time bitching about it when there is zero chance of change? Thats just moronic. It would be like standing outside KFC demanding they make a Big Mac. Never going to happen so why waste energy on it.

The players are the ones that will be changing and I do hope we do see the 3rd of the squad turned over this year with fresh players that can play this mythical 'total football'

I can guarantee you if results keep happening like this no coach is safe regardless of what statements have been made.

KFC will never offer a Big Mac until they start going broke. You might not be aware but KFC only started selling burgers when they starting losing market share to Mc Donalds.

The Phoenix might not be planning on changing Coach at the moment, but when things dont go to plan (if we keep playing like this), then  you need to change plans (or Coach).

If the owners dont take heed of that then they will lose fans and eventually lose a football club.

 really you can guarantee it? are you on the board perhaps?

Jupp Heynckes will be available in a few month, might be a challange for him.

LOL

How many times in football have we heard "the board have complete faith in the coach"  and then shortly after he is given the heave ho! Have these four board members endorsed Ricki's position since the CCM fiasco? The ground is shifting rapidly against Ricki. I don't think he will go until the season is over but the Board needs to act at some stage.

The whole vibe around the team is negative. At least a new face in as coach will create some sort of interest. A new coach, new ideas, some new recruits...it would engage the public again. I know for me personally that if Ricki is retained I would really struggle to get enthused about next season.

Gareth has already made at least a couple of comments along the lines of "that's Ricki's area" when queried about lack of performance on the pitch and implementation and progression towards a better style of football.  I thought both times fairly pointedly.

I think they will be reluctant to change him, because not being football men they will want someone they can trust as coach, and they will have expected and hoped Ricki would give them that.  And I think they would be uncomfortable going about recruiting a coach, with the limited non-Ricki football support they have around them.

But they are not stupid and there will come a time.

The time is now.

If it happens, it won't happen til the end of the season.Need time to scout and talk to new coaches and sort out contracts.

No real loss in keeping as is, not going to increase ticket sales with a new coach at this stage, not going to sell more nix gear at this stage of season.

If he does go end of season, gives the club a chance to build up for a new season with, new coach,some new players, which could help increase ticket and gear sales if promoted right.

No real loss in keeping as is, not going to increase ticket sales with a new coach at this stage, not going to sell more nix gear at this stage of season.

If he does go end of season, gives the club a chance to build up for a new season with, new coach,some new players, which could help increase ticket and gear sales if promoted right.

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the 2,000 faithful come end of season may have rioted by then.

Yep, that is a risk the owners may be prepared to take.

Maybe throw cats onto the pitch riot. Breaking seats and ripping flares is so last week.:)

Why are we not going to sell more tickets? There is always more interest when a new coach is appointed so I am not sure your assumptions are correct? 

If Ricki is still in charge next season it's highly unlikely I will renew my season ticket, and I guarantee I'll be far from the only one. It for this type of reason that talk of "zero chance of change" is surely incorrect? 

Assumption is based on 3 home games left(not counting Dunedin), 1 mid-week (normally lower crowd numbers). After how this season has panned out, would say a few people would watch the games on TV to see if any improvement happened and if team is getting better, then they might turn up.

If a marque player was signed before end of season, then ticket sales might go up but that is not going to happen

i'd like to say thanks ricky for the memories

Just interested Steve-O, why would you do the one thing actually within your control (not renewing your season ticket) that will make the situation worse? Isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? I mean I understand why casuals might not turn up, because they probably don't care whether the Nix survives, but season ticket holders surely don't want to contribute to the financial stress (and, ironically, the likelihood that Ricki will be retained).

Voting with my feet is a last resort. If Ricki continues in a similar vein, the club could go down regardless. The owners may not listen but I can try.

From fiery bird to a boiled chicken: Danny Hay rips into Herbert in Dominion Post:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/phoenix/8281325/Time-for-Phoenix-to-dump-Herbert-claims-Hay

The claws are out, Mr Morgan, you may as well join in the catfight :-)

 But Danny Hay's been saying this consistently for years. He just has it in for Ricki and was saying this when we were doing well.

i think that hay does have it in for ricki, definitely.

but i also think that there are people on these forums who have it in for hay because he's not a cheerleader

personally, i've found it hard to disagree with a lot of what hay has said over the years

for me, herbert's fluctated between "numpty" and "ok" since the phoenix started

Get Kossie for the rest of the year .... and appoint a new coach next year...I gotta say this the performance by the Nix was by a long way the worst I have seen from a team at Bluey [that includes SFC round 1]... the reaction of RH & from what I could see the players was HHHHHMMMM { I sit just behind the away teams coaching staff] and if you asked me RH has or is losing the changing room...  

Right now I would say the chance of Kossie being the new Phoenix coach by next weekend is at least 50:50.

I don't want an Aussie coach.

hmmm I wonder what difference it makes to the mainstream punters where the coach comes from. Hard to know. What do other people think about the nationality of the coach?