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almost 12 years ago

I said a while ago that he was always going to have a trial...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:

Can anyone explain the love for Chris James while they are at it?

He's an All White who's a ball-playing midfielder who's without a club, and has decent experience in professional football

With a reputation of being hard work.

And there are a number of fellow All Whites playing for the Nix who will have told Ernie exactly what to expect - for better or for worse.
I know you put that theory out there Term but has that been confirmed? You have to wonder with that talent, has his agent not done a Jessie Ryder and said 'mate you are being a cock and killing your own career' What is he, 26? Not that many years left now....

 


Not so much a theory as an observation JV.

A few people on here seem to think a failure to sign, or at least trial, someone like James represents some kind of recruitment blind-spot for Ernie. I'm just pointing out that the opposite is more likely to be true - James is one player who Ernie will have more than enough first-hand intel on. Clapham is probably another.

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almost 12 years ago

Right I follow you. There are enough guys about that know them and if they were worth it, guys would be saying 'you have to sign this guy'

Seems legit.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Right I follow you. There are enough guys about that know them and if they were worth it, guys would be saying 'you have to sign this guy'

Seems legit.


I agree with that. These guys are not "unknowns" and while we have all seen them perform on the field we do not know that much about the "invisible" stuff. One has to be a bloody good player on the field to outweigh any "off the field of play" problems.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Right I follow you. There are enough guys about that know them and if they were worth it, guys would be saying 'you have to sign this guy'

Seems legit.

Like when Man U players en masse practically banged Fergie's office door down demanding he sign up Ronaldo after their game in Portugal.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 12 years ago

That's actually an excellent observation Term that I am not sure anyone has actually used before.

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almost 12 years ago

In the Stuff article on the new page, Leo sounds totally gutted about leaving the Nix. We miss you Leo.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 12 years ago

In the Stuff article on the new page, Leo sounds totally gutted about leaving the Nix. We miss you Leo.

It's sad reality check on him. Hope he finds a new club soon and it's also a chance for some new experiences.
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almost 12 years ago

Sad to see Leo go. TBH though it has been at least three years maybe four since he showed the sort of form that made him an exciting crowd favourite. Hell of a nice guy and he will be mussed but that alone does not ensure longevity in football.

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almost 12 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:

Sad to see Leo go. TBH though it has been at least three years maybe four since he showed the sort of form that made him an exciting crowd favourite. Hell of a nice guy and he will be mussed but that alone does not ensure longevity in football.



Italy

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almost 12 years ago

In the Stuff article on the news page, Leo sounds totally gutted about leaving the Nix. We miss you Leo.

What a day for a future All White to be born - to me this an all-time classic Kiwi football quote:
 "[The second leg win vs. Bahrain] was more of a highlight for me than being at the World Cup. I was born on the day the 1982 team qualified. My dad missed the second half; I guess this was my way of making up for that...."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 12 years ago

Carlos released

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almost 12 years ago

woah just read that on stuff, I get that his sttitude was poor but surely something has happenbed to force this move?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 12 years ago

Think writing was on the wall with the nix social media not acknowledging his squad call up.


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almost 12 years ago

woah!! didnt see this coming.

i know he was a sulk, but i still thought he was worth keeping until after the WC and then selling on...

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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almost 12 years ago

I'm absolutely devastated. One of the few players in the A-League able to open up opposition defenses. Sure, chubby and no spring chicken but I thought he had a couple of years left in him. Shame


VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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almost 12 years ago

No surprise for me.

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almost 12 years ago

interesting. he was a good midfielder but not as good as his reputation. It'll be hard to find another with his calmness on the ball but if he didnt want to stay then theres no point keeping him on the pay roll.

yung thug

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almost 12 years ago

I agree, what is the sense in keeping a player if he is not happy, negativity can spread to the rest of the players.

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almost 12 years ago

I think that's a good decision.  I don't think he ever really justified his cost or talent, and he was not mobile enough for our system.  

When the chips were down in the last part of the season and we needed our big players to stand up he went completely missing.  I think the team culture thing is a misdirection - teams that win have good culture not the other way around.  But when you judge him on his contribution on the park it wasn't enough.  Interesting to see what happens to Kenny now. 

But we will need to keep working hard on a replacement for our top 2 goal scorers, and probably our 2 best performers….


Normo's coming home

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almost 12 years ago

With Carlos gone, what of Kenny? No World Cup squad to play for next season.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

Enormous talent but came with too much baggage. He's high enough maintenance in normal times - if he makes the final Costa Rican WC  squad he'll be even more of a nightmare - fortunately someone else's problem child.

Pressure's now on the club and Ernie - import spot and plenty of salary cap available - time to deliver.


 

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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almost 12 years ago

Interesting tweet from ifill. 'Carlos gone! Surprised I am not'. Think that sums up the players thoughts of him.




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almost 12 years ago

I think the saddest part of this is that he never scored a free kick for us.


 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 12 years ago

Nor looked likely.

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almost 12 years ago

he came a hell of a lot closer on a number of occassions than anyone else since Bertos' deflected thunderbolt in about 1985.

I would hope that he have someone lined up as a replacement, as for all his faults he is a lot better than Clapham (who we will have to settle for when we can find anyone else willing to sign for a $16 a week and a packet of Squiggles for every goal scored).

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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almost 12 years ago

Not at all surprised. It did not seem like he fitted into the team culture. When Ernie slammed him in the press after Carlos's behaviour when he got subbed you knew something was up. He was not an Ernie signing and his lack of mobility did not fit Ernies plan.


Huge huge call now on a replacement. Its an absolutely vital position to fill. Need a playmaker younger and quicker. Get it right and we could do well....get it wrong and its going to be a tough season. We have lost arguably our two most creative and experianced attackers in Stein and Carlos.


Carlos at his best was sublime.....some of his play midseason was great.....he was however, trouble......and you can only get away with that shiite if you are the best player week in and week out.



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almost 12 years ago

Carlos was disappointing overall.  Not the same player as in his heyday.

We really need a couple of big signings in the door though.  I really hope plans are afoot.

I'm not sure Cunningham will hang around now either?  To be honest, I wouldn't be that disappointed to see him go either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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almost 12 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

Carlos was disappointing overall.  Not the same player as in his heyday.

We really need a couple of big signings in the door though.  I really hope plans are afoot.

I'm not sure Cunningham will hang around now either?  To be honest, I wouldn't be that disappointed to see him go either...


Agree about Carlos. At least Cunningham put some effort into his game.
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almost 12 years ago

The huge positive is we now have an import spot to play with.

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almost 12 years ago

Not exactly surprised. Best thing all round Id have thought

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almost 12 years ago

Ernie don't fuck about does he?

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almost 12 years ago

Mean we have signed McGlinchey?

This year Carlos had the motivation of the World Cup and was a tad disappointing, my bet is next year would be worse with nothing to play for.

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almost 12 years ago

Not overly upset..played better most times without him, noting he scored some valuable goals.  Doubt Kenny will stay so ourbroief flirtations with south/central American flair continues...Daniel excluded.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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almost 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

Not at all surprised. It did not seem like he fitted into the team culture. When Ernie slammed him in the press after Carlos's behaviour when he got subbed you knew something was up. He was not an Ernie signing and his lack of mobility did not fit Ernies plan.


Huge huge call now on a replacement. Its an absolutely vital position to fill. Need a playmaker younger and quicker. Get it right and we could do well....get it wrong and its going to be a tough season. We have lost arguably our two most creative and experianced attackers in Stein and Carlos.


Carlos at his best was sublime.....some of his play midseason was great.....he was however, trouble......and you can only get away with that shiite if you are the best player week in and week out.




In the end I don't think this really is about culture. I'm sure they would have put up with issues with him in the team if he delivered on the pitch but in the end he was far too inconsistent - that's when you start looking at things like how he's affecting the other players.  I think Kenny will go too now the more I think about it

Normo's coming home

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almost 12 years ago

Hope Kenny stays personally.

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almost 12 years ago

If Carlos was delivering on the pitch, the club would not have released him I think. I know all the guys at the club are good people but if he was a Shinji Ono or younger Paul Ifill type and was one of the best players in the league that was a consistent game changer, then they would have kept him or made it easier for him to stay. I think the club will be quietly happy about this because lets be honest, he was not delivering on what he was billed he could do nor his reputation from his tard days.


The free import slot is a big one. I still think that Krishna is an absolute waste of a signing and if we sign a striker, then that just proves it, especially with Brockie and Boyd on the books (cause it then makes them surplus). If we have Wee Mac in the wings, then a play maker is not required...

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almost 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

If Carlos was delivering on the pitch, the club would not have released him I think. I know all the guys at the club are good people but if he was a Shinji Ono or younger Paul Ifill type and was one of the best players in the league that was a consistent game changer, then they would have kept him or made it easier for him to stay. I think the club will be quietly happy about this because lets be honest, he was not delivering on what he was billed he could do nor his reputation from his tard days.


The free import slot is a big one. I still think that Krishna is an absolute waste of a signing and if we sign a striker, then that just proves it, especially with Brockie and Boyd on the books (cause it then makes them surplus). If we have Wee Mac in the wings, then a play maker is not required...



Espeacialy if we are going to unlock the opposition with short sharp passes and not the wonder passes that Carlos attempts.
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almost 12 years ago

Not sure why people think Kenny will go, sure Carlos recommended him but if you follow him on twitter you will see it is filled with him & his family full of smiles enjoying the country. He does looks like he wants to be here, whilst the same couldn't be said about Carlos.

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