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about 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

And full of politicians and hangers on.

The public sector only makes up 9.5% of Wellingtons economy, our biggest industry is the tech industry.

sauce?
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about 9 years ago

We're so far off topic here it's not funny, but since you asked.

This is an economic breakdown of Wellington, it's from 2012 but it's amazing that I actually got the number right.

http://www.gw.govt.nz/assets/About-GW-the-region/R...

It has the public sector as $1.91b million and the "information media and telecomunications" sector at $1.98b. 

Since then Government budgets haven't increased at the rate of Wellingtons growth so it's likely to be smaller in relation to the whole pie. This article from 2016 it says that Wellington makes up 14% of the countries tech sector despite having only 11% of it's population and that the tech sector makes up 15% of the economy and has grown to $2.4b

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about 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Ryan wrote:

[quote=Leggy]

[quote=Ryan]

The public sector only makes up 9.5% of Wellingtons economy, our biggest industry is the tech industry.

sauce?

No, that's the takeaways industry you're thinking of.


Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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about 9 years ago

We need Tony Pignata back here, he'd sort out the player contracts, the admin and get the fans back in together and work as a force to be reckoned with.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 9 years ago

Porter, Putter and Astroclaus!



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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think Moss going might be a blessing for us- we are going to have to make a completely new team with a new leadership group. Moss and Dura have been with us for ages. They shouldn't be there in two years time. It may be good that Moss is going and forcing us to look to the future. 

There are a lot of good keepers in the A-league and NZ. We should be able to find a decent keeper IMO. 

This is going to change the dynamic of the squad. 

Moss is great and I hope he gets some really good paydays so he has something in the bank for all this service he's put in. 

But having a different keeper will change the relationship with the defense and team and kick off a bit of a fresh start. 

I stopped reading at the 1st hyphen and with respect, you are talking out of a hole in your ass.

So you think we get a new manager that Moss and Dura should still be the senior players? For how many more years do you see that lasting? These guys have been the leaders and senior players in  some weak efforts by the team over quite some time now, as well as the reasonable year too. It's amusing that these guys are leaders, but no one here questions their leadership while blaming fairly much everyone else. 

This came out a bit harsher than I meant. 

I meant it that the new manager will want to build a new squad. Both Moss and Dura have been great servants, but were in the first or second squad 9 or 10 years ago, and aren't going to be there for that much longer. 



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about 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

martinb wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think Moss going might be a blessing for us- we are going to have to make a completely new team with a new leadership group. Moss and Dura have been with us for ages. They shouldn't be there in two years time. It may be good that Moss is going and forcing us to look to the future. 

There are a lot of good keepers in the A-league and NZ. We should be able to find a decent keeper IMO. 

This is going to change the dynamic of the squad. 

Moss is great and I hope he gets some really good paydays so he has something in the bank for all this service he's put in. 

But having a different keeper will change the relationship with the defense and team and kick off a bit of a fresh start. 

I stopped reading at the 1st hyphen and with respect, you are talking out of a hole in your ass.

So you think we get a new manager that Moss and Dura should still be the senior players? For how many more years do you see that lasting? These guys have been the leaders and senior players in  some weak efforts by the team over quite some time now, as well as the reasonable year too. It's amusing that these guys are leaders, but no one here questions their leadership while blaming fairly much everyone else. 

This came out a bit harsher than I meant. 

I meant it that the new manager will want to build a new squad. Both Moss and Dura have been great servants, but were in the first or second squad 9 or 10 years ago, and aren't going to be there for that much longer. 

Dura I give you but Moss is still a form player and shows no indication of slowing down in the next 2-3 years. He still has time and you don't entirely gas your leaders or you have a new team of no experience and no leaders.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 9 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

martinb wrote:

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So you think we get a new manager that Moss and Dura should still be the senior players? For how many more years do you see that lasting? These guys have been the leaders and senior players in  some weak efforts by the team over quite some time now, as well as the reasonable year too. It's amusing that these guys are leaders, but no one here questions their leadership while blaming fairly much everyone else. 

This came out a bit harsher than I meant. I meant it that the new manager will want to build a new squad. Both Moss and Dura have been great servants, but were in the first or second squad 9 or 10 years ago, and aren't going to be there for that much longer. 

Dura I give you but Moss is still a form player and shows no indication of slowing down in the next 2-3 years. He still has time and you don't entirely gas your leaders or you have a new team of no experience and no leaders.

I agree that Moss would go on for longer as a core / leadership player, but it is a moot point until we know he is staying on.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

martinb wrote:

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So you think we get a new manager that Moss and Dura should still be the senior players? For how many more years do you see that lasting? These guys have been the leaders and senior players in  some weak efforts by the team over quite some time now, as well as the reasonable year too. It's amusing that these guys are leaders, but no one here questions their leadership while blaming fairly much everyone else. 

This came out a bit harsher than I meant. I meant it that the new manager will want to build a new squad. Both Moss and Dura have been great servants, but were in the first or second squad 9 or 10 years ago, and aren't going to be there for that much longer. 

Dura I give you but Moss is still a form player and shows no indication of slowing down in the next 2-3 years. He still has time and you don't entirely gas your leaders or you have a new team of no experience and no leaders.

I agree that Moss would go on for longer as a core / leadership player, but it is a moot point until we know he is staying on.

Thats fair

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:

When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

Christchurch isn't that awful either, if you can handle earthquake damage and the occasional Nazi.

I don't think anyone is dispute that Welly is one of the best places in NZ, but I'm not sure that means a lot.

Despite ongoing post-quake problems (like, insurance delaying settlement since 2011), I like Christchurch much more now than when I arrived in 1993.  Unfortunately Siggy has retired and Steve Sumner passed away, but this is still a place where football is played.

There has been a big influx of foreign-born workers, many of whom actually come from footballing nations. Just the increase in Germans, Czechs and Irish alone have been quite noticeable.  They seem to pop up here and there in the pubs watching football if it is on (and some pubs will have it on). And a football-loving Russian Slava Meyn has funded new footballing facilities too.

Our "temporary" stadium is rectangular, with lots of parking, and Phoenix games here were well patronised. It is my understanding that Vbase decided not to bring a game here this year because their break-even bottom line is much higher this year than before (City Council budget hole with festivals and events).  I may be mistaken on this, but maybe others can clarify.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

martinb wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think Moss going might be a blessing for us- we are going to have to make a completely new team with a new leadership group. Moss and Dura have been with us for ages. They shouldn't be there in two years time. It may be good that Moss is going and forcing us to look to the future. 

There are a lot of good keepers in the A-league and NZ. We should be able to find a decent keeper IMO. 

This is going to change the dynamic of the squad. 

Moss is great and I hope he gets some really good paydays so he has something in the bank for all this service he's put in. 

But having a different keeper will change the relationship with the defense and team and kick off a bit of a fresh start. 

I stopped reading at the 1st hyphen and with respect, you are talking out of a hole in your ass.

So you think we get a new manager that Moss and Dura should still be the senior players? For how many more years do you see that lasting? These guys have been the leaders and senior players in  some weak efforts by the team over quite some time now, as well as the reasonable year too. It's amusing that these guys are leaders, but no one here questions their leadership while blaming fairly much everyone else. 

This came out a bit harsher than I meant. 

I meant it that the new manager will want to build a new squad. Both Moss and Dura have been great servants, but were in the first or second squad 9 or 10 years ago, and aren't going to be there for that much longer. 

Dura I give you but Moss is still a form player and shows no indication of slowing down in the next 2-3 years. He still has time and you don't entirely gas your leaders or you have a new team of no experience and no leaders.

Well he may or may not be part of a poisoned culture. 

However, waaay back in the beginning I guess I was trying to make a virtue out of a necessity. But we've had essentially two coaches for the 'Nix and I'd say about 4 separate eras of teams. Not to put too fine a point on it, but we're hoping a glorious number 5 is coming hurtling into view and possibly may be being forced on us by not retaining players or coaches.

We got really lucky with Dura- young title winner keen to come here and be our club captain. And by lucky Pignata a fair bit I believe. 

We need a bit of vision for the next ten years. Cos we're scrapping for our club as much as for any table spots. 



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almost 9 years ago

Bizarre situation highlighted by Simon Hamptons piece on Rufer.

A fan is a fan.

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa
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almost 9 years ago

That is a lie... no one loves living in Tokoroa, hell Tamaranui is nicer!

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almost 9 years ago

Have you ever been to Ashburton?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago
After watching the last few games and thinking about attacking stocks for next season. I feel way more comfortable with roly moving on. Don't get me wrong he is our most talented player. But with Gui, weemac, singh and ridenton able to play that role (all slightly differently I might add). I don't see it as a huge loss to the squad. Still need a marksman man up top and a DM behind them though.
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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almost 9 years ago

kwlap wrote:
After watching the last few games and thinking about attacking stocks for next season. I feel way more comfortable with roly moving on. Don't get me wrong he is our most talented player. But with Gui, weemac, singh and ridenton able to play that role (all slightly differently I might add). I don't see it as a huge loss to the squad. Still need a marksman man up top and a DM behind them though.

And some pace, we are still a fairly pedestrian team aside from Kosta and Roy

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

Is Tratt coming back?

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Is Tratt coming back?

He was shown during the Jets game sitting in the stands, presumably just returned from Oz but no comment / announcement has been made. I hope to hear his absence was "temporary" rather than "until further notice".

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Imho he was on course for player of the season. He got my vote anyway. I hope he is staying.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland
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almost 9 years ago

xxx wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland

Do you know anyone who lives in South Auckland?

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

xxx wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland

Do you know anyone who lives in South Auckland?

The Mad Butcher

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 9 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

james dean wrote:

xxx wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland

Do you know anyone who lives in South Auckland?

The Mad Butcher

I live their and most of my mates.
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almost 9 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

james dean wrote:

xxx wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland

Do you know anyone who lives in South Auckland?

The Mad Butcher

is Waiheke Island in South Orkland now ?
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Jerzy Merino wrote:

james dean wrote:

xxx wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Exposure is probably the big thing, but that is something every A-League team would struggle with. We're competing in pay against leagues like the lower divisions in Western Europe and some of the top divisions in the East. Most are struggling to even pay their players, some are in places which are dangerous and not pleasant to live in.

Wellington definitely tops most of the surveys about best places to live that I've seen. It also has the highest wages, statistically the happiest residents, the most educated residents, and holds second place in the Governments regular quality of life survey (one point behind Dunedin) - maybe some of the smaller regional cities might be seen as better, but only if money isn't an option. When you factor in lower wages and less jobs I doubt there is any competition to the cities in the Wellington region and Auckland.

There is no doubt that people who live in Wellington, love living in Wellington.  For many others it's more of an acquired taste...

People who live in Tokoroa love living in Tokoroa

People who live in South Auckland love living in South Auckland

Do you know anyone who lives in South Auckland?

The Mad Butcher

@ "....A club based in South Auckland is looking for a generous financial backer for A-League license application ...."

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Maybe the angst and fallout that has happened recently has made the club second guess themselves. He wouldn't be short of offers from Australia if on the market. The players that have been re-signed were probably all on A-League minimums and squad players, whereas Lia would free up a bit of cap space probably so a bigger decision to make without a coach on board.

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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Maybe the angst and fallout that has happened recently has made the club second guess themselves. He wouldn't be short of offers from Australia if on the market. The players that have been re-signed were probably all on A-League minimums and squad players, whereas Lia would free up a bit of cap space probably so a bigger decision to make without a coach on board.

Fair, but it seems bizarre that no one has even had a chat to Vinnie about it

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 9 years ago

Yeah, especially after the celebration of all things Vinnie a couple of weeks ago.

In the same article Buckingham said he's also had no conversation about his future. 

It's poor management not to even have the conversation and keep people informed, even if it's a "we can't commit because of these reasons.", having no communications has to play on peoples motivations.

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almost 9 years ago

How the bollocks is Lia only 32????

Could have a few years left in him...thought he was 34 or 35! Seemed to be slowing up spectacularly and getting worse...and then had a renaissance



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almost 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

How the bollocks is Lia only 32????

Could have a few years left in him...thought he was 34 or 35! Seemed to be slowing up spectacularly and getting worse...and then had a renaissance

Probably because he was born in 1985.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 9 years ago

Leggy wrote:

martinb wrote:

How the bollocks is Lia only 32????

Could have a few years left in him...thought he was 34 or 35! Seemed to be slowing up spectacularly and getting worse...and then had a renaissance

Probably because he was born in 1985.

very dry, sir...all that living in Queensland...



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almost 9 years ago

Lia has had a good year for us, possibly his best. My understanding was they offered a contract with reduced terms, he said no and we haven't gone back since.

Whilst Lia has added value, his signature is not going to make us a top 4 club. I am happy for the club to not resign him, so long as we bring in quality. With him, roly and moss heading out we will have funds to spend... if allowed.

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almost 9 years ago

I just hope the club go for the quality option, which is not necessarily the most expensive, rather than the cheap option of promoting from within. Having said that, if the likes of Ridenton finally want to take advantage of the chance to become a regular starter, now is the time for him to push his barrow.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

I just hope the club go for the quality option, which is not necessarily the most expensive, rather than the cheap option of promoting from within. Having said that, if the likes of Ridenton Rufer finally want to take advantage of the chance to become a regular starter, now is the time for him to push his barrow.

fixed

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

True, thats two to step up.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 9 years ago

Dont the likes of dura lia and moss have part of their salary fall outside the cap with the "long term" exemption. So losing them isnt actually giving us back as much cap space as you would expect?

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almost 9 years ago

RoriM6 wrote:

Dont the likes of dura lia and moss have part of their salary fall outside the cap with the "long term" exemption. So losing them isnt actually giving us back as much cap space as you would expect?

please remind us how that works?



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