Crowds - The thread of Australian whining

4604 replies · 379,731 views

08 Oct 23:43 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

[not even close to $100 plus for a family ticket.

You don't HAVE to buy kids food / drink etc? I don't know why parents seem to think they HAVE to? I don't remember gorging myself on food and drinks constantly when I went to the football as a kid so I don't know why this generation can't go a couple of hours without eating.

[/QUOTE]

I know. I think unless you have a pretty good income, you're an idiot if you buy overpriced and poor tasting food at a football match. It's only about two hours, for crying out loud! Bring your own food if your that desparate.

Does that apply to overpriced and poor tasting beverages too?

We've cut down on food at RoF quite a bit this year. Having games before dinner time helps, but sometimes when it's cold and/or wet some greasy chips helps keep the kids warm. Be nice to bring own food but Red Badge might have something to say when they search the bags ("I know it looks like a three course meak with roast beef, gravvy and spuds, but really it isn't...").

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

Permalink

09 Oct 00:19 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

And don't forget the cost for those of us who travel to matches from out of town. About $40 of fuel on top of that, accomodation if we choose to stay the night (which we usually don't) etc etc. It still all adds up.

Not that it stops me from making the 2 1/2 hour drive for 90 minutes of great entertainment, and then driving 2 1/2 hours to get home afterward, just not able to get to as many games as i would like to.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

Permalink

09 Oct 06:47 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Junior82 wrote:

No rule against bringing in food IIRC

You know we belong together...

Permalink

09 Oct 07:04 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

goldienz wrote:

Fair play if you are 2.5 hours out of town. The people I don't understand are those that have to pay $0-$10 to travel and decide not to go for whatever reason.

As for the comment earlier saying a family should be $30, get a hold of yourself! $30 for FOUR tickets?? This isn't the 1980's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

09 Oct 08:42 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Oska wrote:

No rule against bringing in food IIRC

Pretty sure there is - remember having to sneak in stuff once at the cricket.

Permalink

09 Oct 08:58 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Suggest you get out and about and talk to people. Unemployment rate went up 1% in the last month in NZ.Sure, we have not had the promlems of the US, but it has still had an effect. There are also the added cost of you $30. Food,drink etc. Football is a family affair.2 adults 2kids a $100 plus.

ï¿½

Not everyone is taking 2 adults and 2 kids? Additionally it's not even close to $100 plus for a family ticket.

ï¿½

In the paper yesterday, a local MP was asking the question why a family ticket for the A league on the coast was $80.00 and in Townsville it is $34.00. Both parks owned by the Qld govermnent?

ï¿½

$80 is a bit steep for the A-League, but relatively speaking, it's still not THAT bad for 4 tickets to aï¿½top level football matchï¿½- i.e. $30 per adult, $10 per kid?

The cost is $25 per adult and $15 fot kids. I think that the kids price is way too high and if they want to get bigger crowds should reduce it to $5 for kids, who will get their parents to go. Afer all, junior football is booming in Oz as in NZ.
My Geordie mate rang me on the weekend and it cost him 30 pounds for him and 10 pounds for his son to see Newcastle last week. To me that is over the top.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

Permalink

09 Oct 09:47 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Leggy wrote:

Well these are the kind of prices I am used to, so that's why I think the A-League is cheap by comparison.

In Scotland the most I have paid is 28 pounds (possibly more for a couple of cup finals) and I think kids are now more than 10 pounds, maybe 12 or so.

On average now though, I would expect to pay 25 pounds a game back home which is somewhere around $60+.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

09 Oct 22:14 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

However in all of this discussion you should be relating the cost back to: a) average wage/salary and b) actual disposable income...if you want to get a better comparison between different countries' ticket prices and affordability

Junior822009-10-10 11:15:17

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

Permalink

10 Oct 04:10 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Junior82 wrote:

You will find that the average salary is really not that different in the UK from here, and I would say that you guys would be more likely to have MORE disposable income.

The fact is that I earn less here than I did in the UK, but I feel like I have got more to spend after paying my bills because most things are more expensive in the UK - gas/electric, council tax, petrol, football matches, rent, mortgages etc etc.

Therefore, I think the comparison is perfectly fair and valid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

10 Oct 04:36 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

if you are going with a group, all you do is by ONE adult ticket and the rest KIDS !! (they don't check)

= save $$$$$$$$$$$$

Permalink

10 Oct 04:45 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

whooooooo wrote:

if you are going with a group, all you do is by ONE adult ticket and the rest KIDS !! (they don't check)

= save $$$$$$$$$$$$

And rip off your club.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

Permalink

10 Oct 05:12 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

"Sorry Mr Ifill, but we can't afford to pay you this week, because of whoooooooo's brilliant scheme."

Permalink

10 Oct 05:45 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Leggy wrote:

The cost is $25 per adult and $15 fot kids. I think that the kids price is way too high and if they want to get bigger crowds should reduce it to $5 for kids, who will get their parents to go. Afer all, junior football is booming in Oz as in NZ. My Geordie mate rang me on the weekend and it cost him 30 pounds for him and 10 pounds for his son to see Newcastle last week. To me that is over the top.

ï¿½

Well these are the kind of prices I am used to, so that's why I think the A-League is cheap by comparison.

ï¿½

In Scotland the most I have paid is 28 pounds (possibly more for a couple of cup finals) and I think kids are now more than 10 pounds, maybe 12 or so.

ï¿½

On average now though, I would expect to pay 25 pounds a game back home which is somewhere around $60+.

Major article in todays paper re crowds/costs for the Coast.
$23 for adults $17 for kids. They are the most expensive in the A league.As from Monday there will be cut rate prices-- they reckon $5 per kid.
Are having meetings with the Gov. as the charges per home game is------ $140000. It is just greed. Soccer Australia are also getting involved.
30000 for the game last night in Melbourne, that is more like it.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

Permalink

10 Oct 05:48 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

ï¿½

You will find that the average salary is really not that different in the UK from here, and I would say that you guys would be more likely to have MORE disposable income.

ï¿½

Therefore, I think the comparison is perfectly fair and valid.

And of course the weather is a little better?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

Permalink

10 Oct 05:48 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

kiwi pie wrote:

"Sorry Mr Ifill, but we can't afford to pay you this week, because of whoooooooo's brilliant scheme."

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

Permalink

10 Oct 11:16 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Leggy wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

ï¿½

You will find that the average salary is really not that different in the UK from here, and I would say that you guys would be more likely to have MORE disposable income.

ï¿½

Therefore, I think the comparison is perfectly fair and valid.

And of course the weather is a little better?

Oh yes- it's nipple-firmness-tastic at the moment.

Will not dispute your view Steve-O although I was under the impression that there was more disposable income in UK and Europe compared with NZ.

My take is that crowds in most sports events are down this year and the recession/wage freezes will be a significant factor contributing to this. Hopefully If Terry S can tough it out for this year and the nix do end up making the play-offs there will be an good growth in crowd numbers next season. (AWs qualifying for WC will also be a good boost).Junior822009-10-11 00:16:30

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

Permalink

10 Oct 11:41 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Junior82 wrote:

It's certainly something I've heard from a lot of Kiwis, but having lived here now for 18 months, I would say it's something of a myth.

As I say, I earn less here, but nobody back home can believe what I pay per month for my rent / internet / Sky / energy bills in terms of how cheap it is.

People may on average earn a bit more than NZ, but they pay a shedload more in taxes and bills for various things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

10 Oct 13:10 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Id also factor in competition for sport...number one sport over there...way down pecking order for people here.

Allegedly

Permalink

10 Oct 13:15 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Tegal wrote:

Id also factor in competition for sport...number one sport over there...way down pecking order for people here.

Yeah there is that. I don't think football here should be more expensive than rugby, but Phoenix costs more than the Lions.

As I've said, maybe a blanket price of $20-$25 for ANY seat would be better. Keep it simple instead of this gold and silver crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

10 Oct 13:48 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

The NPC is a 2nd rate competition though. Sort of what team wellington are to the phoenix. Compare super 14 tickets to phoenix tickets,then you have a fair comparison

Allegedly

Permalink

10 Oct 13:50 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Oh and a blanket price would push the price of the cheapest ticket up (as proved by ACDC concert). Any other way,the club would lose out on money they would have made from gold ticket purchasers needlesly. The way they have it now,people have the option of buying a cheap ticket or a gold ticket with neither likely to sell out Tegal2009-10-11 02:50:59

Allegedly

Permalink

10 Oct 18:41 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

whooooooo wrote:

if you are going with a group, all you do is by ONE adult ticket and the rest KIDS !! (they don't check)

= save $$$$$$$$$$$$

Not cool.

You know we belong together...

Permalink

11 Oct 03:44 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Tegal wrote:

AC/DC tickets have been that price around the world so not sure if that theory rings true.

I think Gold tickets at the Phoenix are far too expensive. I would never buy one and not sure why anyone does to be honest because, (a) the view really isn't that much better, and (b) you could just buy a silver ticket and move into the gold area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

11 Oct 05:00 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Oska wrote:

whooooooo wrote:

if you are going with a group, all you do is by ONE adult ticket and the rest KIDS !! (they don't check)

= save $$$$$$$$$$$$

Not cool.

Thats really not cool. Shows what kind of fan you are ofthe phoenix if you encourage that.
clark007e2009-10-11 19:42:47

Permalink

11 Oct 05:03 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

I pointed out this last season (people buying kids tickets) but few people seemed to believe me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

12 Oct 03:49 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

If we make the World Cup, crowds will go up by a lot. It will be such a great thing for soccer here.

Permalink

12 Oct 04:27 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Tegal wrote:

AC/DC tickets have been that price around the world so not sure if that theory rings true.

It makes sense to keep it the way it is. If you have a blanket price at a lower price than a silver ticket then you're mssing out on money from the chumps who do buy gold tickets. Therefore,a blanket price must be higher than the silver price to be viable.

So as a solution for lower ticket prices,its never a winner unless the event sells out.

Allegedly

Permalink

12 Oct 06:22 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Tegal wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Tegal wrote:

AC/DC tickets have been that price around the world so not sure if that theory rings true.

So as a solution for lower ticket prices,its never a winner unless the event sells out.

My thinking is that a blanket price of $20 or $25 might attract more people.

Maybe not though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

12 Oct 07:42 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

William wrote:

If we make the World Cup, crowds will go up by a lot. It will be such a great thing for soccer here.

It is called football.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

Permalink

12 Oct 07:52 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

As long as people are talking about it positively, who cares what they call it.

Right now people are talking about football or soccer in a way that hasn'be been seen for a long, long time. To then undermine through an argumentas silly as this seems a huge waste to me.

How's my driving? - Whine here

Permalink

13 Oct 04:23 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Suggestion:What an incredible amount of football-positive press we've been getting this week particularly from Fairfax through Stuff,Dom Post, The Press and others.

Perhaps Terry and Tony should invite Fred Woodcock and Tony Smith down to Wellington Phoenix HQ for the week of the double with Jets on Nov 4th and Perth on Sunday 8th.
Give them "Access All Areas" laminates and let them talk to everyone.. team, management..the works.
Those guys are so prolific that by the end of the week ...
... there will be a Phoenix page in the sports section,
and there'll be a blow-by-blow, "behind the scenes" account of "The Nix at Full Throttle" ... two home fixtures in the week, plus preparations by the AW team members in the squad and Ricki Herbert for the following week's WCQ with Bahrain.Tony Smith would be here for that following week too anyway, surely?
Could be a great insight for the public into what goes on for Wellington's fully professional team in the A-League and would surely give the Nix good spin off...

Just a thought....

RedGed2009-10-13 17:24:04

Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

Permalink

13 Oct 06:21 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Why can't we have a more comprehensive report of games in the Dom Post.

Don't want to bang on about what happens back home too much (ok I do, but when I am back there I will be banging on about what happens in New Zealand)...but the Monday paper would generally have the match report, player ratings with some comments for each (the reporter's opinion), and some fans comments picked up by a reporter on the spot after the game, or via websites like this.

All just adds a bit more to the basic match report which is sometimes easy just to not bother reading to be honest.

Steve-O2009-10-13 19:21:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

13 Oct 07:32 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Why can't we have a more comprehensive report of games in the Dom Post.

All just adds a bit more to the basic match report which is sometimes easy just to not bother reading to be honest.

It can depend on the timing of the game. If it is a Saturday game because the Sundays run the report DomPost will go for another angle and not as much of a match report. If it is a late game, as often it is abroad, deadline issues also come into play i.e. a predetermined space to fill.
But the over-riding issue at the moment in print media is economics. Advertising revenue has haemorrhaged over the last 12-15 months - I mean really tanked. Which basically equates to less space as every column centimetre has to be accounted for. It means the online media, which does not have the same space constraints, can give it heaps (if they have the resources to provide the coverage you seek).

Permalink

13 Oct 07:49 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

HeySeus wrote:

Well, the reports I am talking about were reporting on Saturday 3pm games, and this is with the masses of UK Sundays that had already reported on the game. The difference with the Monday report was that it was the local paper, and therefore was that bit more in depth, and of more interest to the fans than the generic reports of the nationals who people can sometimes feel have little actual affinity with the teams but are just reporting on the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink

13 Oct 20:09 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

i never said i do it, but it can be done.

Permalink

13 Oct 21:10 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

Steve-O wrote:

Why can't we have a more comprehensive report of games in the Dom Post.

All just adds a bit more to the basic match report which is sometimes easy just to not bother reading to be honest.

Popularity of the sport over there is far superior...and itd be like rugby is here to the media too $$$$

Seriously,you gotta stop comparing to Scotland. Its just not a fair comparison for starters

Allegedly

Permalink

14 Oct 03:20 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

What your asking for Steve-O was often done with rugby in the past (not sure if they do now as I don't currently get the paper). I guess the question would be, do the papers in Scotland do that for Rugby?

Permalink

14 Oct 06:43 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

I honestly can't say if they do it or not because I didn't pay any attention to the rugby stories. I think they certainly did it for the international matches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink