Crowds - The thread of Australian whining

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over 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

let's not forget that the last 2 seasons we've finished last and 2nd to last so there's been no late season surge as playoff hype builds. Will be interesting to see the crowd numbers at the end of this season if our current form can be maintained. It's also important to note the difference between mean and median crowds. A few big outliers in previous seasons (for instance the post LA Galaxy game) have skewed the mean crowd figure I'd guess?

That was in season 1, which has been largely ignored in these discussions due to novelty factor plus games like that Adelaide one and first game ever being outliers.

We should get good crowds toward the end of the season if we keep our league position up, however having the Hutt rec games reasonably late is unfortunate.

On the other hand if we sell out Hutt Rec 3 games in a row and we're winning games then you might get a much bigger crowd when you're back at the RoF - if people feel like they've been missing out on the good times.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Good point. First game back in Wellington will be an interesting one for sure. Might get the novelty factor back for Wellington City residents, as well as the bandwagon effect if we are doing well.

Heard most Hutt Rec tickets have been allocated to people from the hutt, with not many coming out from Wellington - so you're right, that effect could be quite large when we return to Westpac.

Allegedly

over 11 years ago

Or we could get humped for those three games...

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Or we could get humped for those three games...

Nice anti-jinx, we needed that

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

over 11 years ago

chopah wrote:

Hard News wrote:

It is Chopah's choice but does indicate an attitude that is all to prevalent among Aucklanders and why I believe there is little chance an Auckland A-League side would succeed.

Instead of finding a way to get to a game the overwhelming number of Aucklanders find reasons not to attend.

come again?

I went to the fudgeing game thanks very much and I brought 20 odd other people with me!

Pretty sure that comment is directed at chubbs.

over 11 years ago

Yeah think the name in that is confused.

Grumpy old bastard alert

over 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Good point. First game back in Wellington will be an interesting one for sure. Might get the novelty factor back for Wellington City residents, as well as the bandwagon effect if we are doing well.

Heard most Hutt Rec tickets have been allocated to people from the hutt, with not many coming out from Wellington - so you're right, that effect could be quite large when we return to Westpac.

Could be though that this will be offset by some attending the Hutt games could be attending for the first time because it is in the Hutt.

Have got my tickets but travel wise for me this will be an interesting exercise. I live in Upper Hutt and always use the train for ROF games. Very convienient. Went to watch club rugby final at Hutt Rec last August when a workmate played in the curtain raiser lower grade final and took the car. Watched the main game and was then an absolute nightmare getting away. Proposed Nix crowd is twice the size. Best bet i think will be to use the train as normal and walk up from Waterloo. Bit of a hike though

over 11 years ago

I suspect that Midfielder's post is to demonstrate that FFA might well be having the same thoughts/discussions with Welnix over their plans/strategy to move games to Auckland and other centres and dilute the Wellington supporter base.

over 11 years ago

Walsall Boy wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Good point. First game back in Wellington will be an interesting one for sure. Might get the novelty factor back for Wellington City residents, as well as the bandwagon effect if we are doing well.

Heard most Hutt Rec tickets have been allocated to people from the hutt, with not many coming out from Wellington - so you're right, that effect could be quite large when we return to Westpac.

Could be though that this will be offset by some attending the Hutt games could be attending for the first time because it is in the Hutt.

Hopefully the nix / metlink put on free busses.

over 11 years ago

Walsall Boy wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Good point. First game back in Wellington will be an interesting one for sure. Might get the novelty factor back for Wellington City residents, as well as the bandwagon effect if we are doing well.

Heard most Hutt Rec tickets have been allocated to people from the hutt, with not many coming out from Wellington - so you're right, that effect could be quite large when we return to Westpac.

Could be though that this will be offset by some attending the Hutt games could be attending for the first time because it is in the Hutt.

Woburn probably the easier option

over 11 years ago

It is a five minute walk from Woburn Station to Hutt Rec

over 11 years ago

It has probably been discussed much earlier in the thread but i cant find it. The bit at present that i cant understand with respect to Wellington crowds is that a few seasons ago there were consistently bigger crowds than we are seeing this season, however to me this current side is playing football that deserves bigger crowds.

over 11 years ago

the crowds are the same. They always have been for the first two thirds of the season, then toward the end of the season the crowds get bigger if the team is doing well

Allegedly

over 11 years ago

Haven't got the updated graph for this year at work, but we are actually up from the previous two seasons.

over 11 years ago

So the overall area of concern then is that in 2008 there were over 40k attendees over the three clubs (although the lions and canes were probably the same group), while in 2013 it has halved.

I'd be very worried regardless of sporting code.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

helps that we've had the Eden park game already mind you. But that is encouraging, driven by increased membership sales no doubt.

Allegedly

over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Walsall Boy wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Good point. First game back in Wellington will be an interesting one for sure. Might get the novelty factor back for Wellington City residents, as well as the bandwagon effect if we are doing well.

Heard most Hutt Rec tickets have been allocated to people from the hutt, with not many coming out from Wellington - so you're right, that effect could be quite large when we return to Westpac.

Could be though that this will be offset by some attending the Hutt games could be attending for the first time because it is in the Hutt.

Hopefully the nix / metlink put on free busses.

Could be very attractive to us coming from K-Town.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Haven't got the updated graph for this year at work, but we are actually up from the previous two seasons.

This must be about the 8th time you've posted this graph to prove someone wrong. Bet you are glad you made it now!

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

over 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

helps that we've had the Eden park game already mind you. But that is encouraging, driven by increased membership sales no doubt.

Only including Westpac games.

over 11 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Haven't got the updated graph for this year at work, but we are actually up from the previous two seasons.

This must be about the 8th time you've posted this graph to prove someone wrong. Bet you are glad you made it now!

you really need to send this to the dom post so that they can conveniently forget about it next time they run an article about falling crowd sizes focusing on the nix.

over 11 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Haven't got the updated graph for this year at work, but we are actually up from the previous two seasons.

This must be about the 8th time you've posted this graph to prove someone wrong. Bet you are glad you made it now!

you really need to send this to the dom post so that they can conveniently forget about it next time they run an article about falling crowd sizes focusing on the nix.

given the downward trends for the rugby teams, you need to add in future projections to see when the Nix will be the number one attended sports team in Wellington. I'd say 2017.

over 11 years ago

But our attendances will still only be under 10k

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

I wish the club hadn't made the announcement that $10k was/is the break even figure! Then perhaps the media would be able to focus on the increased membership numbers and small increase in attendances.

Queenslander 3x a year.

over 11 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Haven't got the updated graph for this year at work, but we are actually up from the previous two seasons.

This must be about the 8th time you've posted this graph to prove someone wrong. Bet you are glad you made it now!

you really need to send this to the dom post so that they can conveniently forget about it next time they run an article about falling crowd sizes focusing on the nix.

To be fair to the Dom Post, the last time they ran a story about small crowd numbers, was last Thursday, and the lead story on the Sports section was about mismanagement of Wellington Rugby, and included a huge photo of empty seats (two fans) at a Lions game.

The Caption says: "Where the bloody hell are ya?: Empty seats have become a depressingly familiar sight for rugby games at Westpac Stadium."

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

over 11 years ago

FU BLU wrote:

Next time your in Auckland , your more than welcome to try that address ...Please do...

Say, and walk away?

over 11 years ago

Just to update my earlier graph with our games at Westpac so far at this season. We are up 4.6% from 2008/9 season.

over 11 years ago

And if you go back earlier to look at crowds since the Stadium opened.

over 11 years ago

The full length feature graph is dynamite. A masterpiece sir (and potential jaw dropper when sharing with some of our sporting cousins).

I know, I know, its serious!

over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

And if you go back earlier to look at crowds since the Stadium opened.

What the fudge happen to the lions in 2003, that's a big drop.

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

over 11 years ago

Rugby World Cup in Aussie that year. May also have been first year that elite players (eg,All Blacks +) were effectively released from provincial team duty. Just guessing.

I know, I know, its serious!