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Darije Kalezić: We hardly knew ye.

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about 8 years ago

I'm sympathetic to the idea that the problem is the backroom rather than the players and coach; but can I ask exactly what people think Dome is doing that he should not be doing, or vice versa? I.e. if we fired him, what would we want his replacement to do?


"Be more proactive communicating with fans" would be my big #1, but I don't think that's really the issue. The issue is that the first team is a shambles and the new coaching staff just seem to have made it worse, in the short term at least. We can argue that this means the people who hired a Darije/Rado team didn't know what they were doing. Who were those people, precisely?


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about 8 years ago

Dome and/or the 'football committee' or whatever it's called presumably. 

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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.
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I don't know what he should or shouldn't be doing. For me, his longevity in the General Manager role,  which has coinsided with a period in our clubs history which has been an uncategorical disaster, is symbolic of expectations and footballing nous within the whole club.

A fan is a fan.

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about 8 years ago

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.

Disagree on this. The business side and the football side are co-dependent if you want a sustainable model. Look at the falling crowds and the damage to the club's brand which has been caused by continued failure on the pitch and in football related matters. A well-functioning business area will help the club maximise potential revenue but it's performance on the pitch which dictates what that potential revenue is. To pick a bigger example, Man Utd weren't signing up global noodle partners etc on lucrative deals because those companies thought Man Utd had a good business model. It was because of their history of success on the pitch.

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about 8 years ago

I think we have made a lot of bad footballing decisions over a sustained period, so whoever it is who is making those decisions (and I am pretty sure it's not the coaches) has to be held accountable for that.

But even things like taking games away from Wellington to Taranaki and Hamilton last year, deciding this year not to sign any Kiwis, appointing Darije and Rado when they didn't know each other, releasing Kosta etc etc - these are all decisions SOMEONE is making which are massively affecting the on-field performance and they seem to be bad decisions.  But who is accountable for that?

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about 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

I think we have made a lot of bad footballing decisions over a sustained period, so whoever it is who is making those decisions (and I am pretty sure it's not the coaches) has to be held accountable for that.

But even things like taking games away from Wellington to Taranaki and Hamilton last year, deciding this year not to sign any Kiwis, appointing Darije and Rado when they didn't know each other, releasing Kosta etc etc - these are all decisions SOMEONE is making which are massively affecting the on-field performance and they seem to be bad decisions.  But who is accountable for that?

The Chairman of The Board (TCoTB for short) is the top of the ladder?

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Darje asked for Rado, they shared an agent so no doubt they knew each other even if it wasn't professional. It looked like a great signing, someone with a lot of A-League experience and player contacts who could help Darje adjust to the league and augment where he lacked.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but if you wanted to get an assistant which provided some of the knowledge that Darje was lacking then I can't think of too many better options, that must have been in Darjes mind when he asked for him.

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about 8 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

The biggest question in all this - When we were leading into half time WHO choose to change tact and allow the opposition space and time on the ball.  This lead to LOSS

Coach

Assistant Coach

Captain

A Player

B Player

All Players

General Manager

The Office

Maybe

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about 8 years ago

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about 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I'm sympathetic to the idea that the problem is the backroom rather than the players and coach; but can I ask exactly what people think Dome is doing that he should not be doing, or vice versa? I.e. if we fired him, what would we want his replacement to do?


"Be more proactive communicating with fans" would be my big #1, but I don't think that's really the issue. The issue is that the first team is a shambles and the new coaching staff just seem to have made it worse, in the short term at least. We can argue that this means the people who hired a Darije/Rado team didn't know what they were doing. Who were those people, precisely?

Like Laurie McKinna is doing at the Jest?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

james dean wrote:

I think we have made a lot of bad footballing decisions over a sustained period, so whoever it is who is making those decisions (and I am pretty sure it's not the coaches) has to be held accountable for that.

But even things like taking games away from Wellington to Taranaki and Hamilton last year, deciding this year not to sign any Kiwis, appointing Darije and Rado when they didn't know each other, releasing Kosta etc etc - these are all decisions SOMEONE is making which are massively affecting the on-field performance and they seem to be bad decisions.  But who is accountable for that?

The Chairman of The Board (TCoTB for short) is the top of the ladder?

Wasn't that Frank Sinatra's title with the Rat Pack?

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about 8 years ago

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.

Disagree on this. The business side and the football side are co-dependent if you want a sustainable model. Look at the falling crowds and the damage to the club's brand which has been caused by continued failure on the pitch and in football related matters. A well-functioning business area will help the club maximise potential revenue but it's performance on the pitch which dictates what that potential revenue is. To pick a bigger example, Man Utd weren't signing up global noodle partners etc on lucrative deals because those companies thought Man Utd had a good business model. It was because of their history of success on the pitch.

I think you are making the mistake that many do of comparing us to the likes of Man U, Barcelona etc. I'm certain there will be a lot of clubs playing at a far lower level and not winning championships, that are a sustainable business/financial model. Granted, that is not the case in the A League but look at the likes of the NFL or the NBA, even the worst performing teams make profits. My point was that the 2 are not mutually exclusive but in our case better on field performance would be beneficial.
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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

It's a life lesson - in life when you are at work there is a boss, you do things the bosses way or you leave.  Hopefully the boss can sell you a vision so you just buy into his way but if you don't then you either do it anyway or your gone.

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about 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

It's a life lesson - in life when you are at work there is a boss, you do things the bosses way or you leave.  Hopefully the boss can sell you a vision so you just buy into his way but if you don't then you either do it anyway or your gone.

If he wants to come along I will bring him. He hates loud noise but with the stadium being half empty (Or is that half full?) he should be ok.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.

Disagree on this. The business side and the football side are co-dependent if you want a sustainable model. Look at the falling crowds and the damage to the club's brand which has been caused by continued failure on the pitch and in football related matters. A well-functioning business area will help the club maximise potential revenue but it's performance on the pitch which dictates what that potential revenue is. To pick a bigger example, Man Utd weren't signing up global noodle partners etc on lucrative deals because those companies thought Man Utd had a good business model. It was because of their history of success on the pitch.

I think you are making the mistake that many do of comparing us to the likes of Man U, Barcelona etc. I'm certain there will be a lot of clubs playing at a far lower level and not winning championships, that are a sustainable business/financial model. Granted, that is not the case in the A League but look at the likes of the NFL or the NBA, even the worst performing teams make profits. My point was that the 2 are not mutually exclusive but in our case better on field performance would be beneficial.

So Man u aren't a valid comparison but teams in the NBA and NFL are? Two of the biggest sporting competitions on the planet in terms of revenue generated? Sure they have salary caps and no promotion/relegation but that's where the similarities end. 

My point is that the ultimate driver of revenue for the Nix is the brand - just as it is for any professional sports team. Those NBA and NFL teams have the brand of the competition itself to help them out. We don't have that. If WelNix want the Nix to be sustainable the club has to have an appealing brand in the NZ sports market, which is tiny, and to a lesser extent in Australia. Being perennial losers on the field with constantly embarrassing drama off it is a recipe for a toxic brand. The only way to save the brand is to start winning. We need to be at least moderately successful on the field to be sustainable off it.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

in today's stuff article someone in the club has been quoted as saying the new foreign player can play any where in central midfield 

What the fudge. That comment sums up this club at the moment

You may as well say the new goalie can play anywhere in goal

Who ever said that - the coach, CEO or the tea lady, needs to go

I suspect however the tea lady has more football intelligence than that and it is a dome marketing line

If it's the coach, I will stop watching completely 


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about 8 years ago

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

in today's stuff article someone in the club has been quoted as saying the new foreign player can play any where in central midfield 

What the fudge. That comment sums up this club at the moment

You may as well say the new goalie can play anywhere in goal

Who ever said that - the coach, CEO or the tea lady, needs to go

I suspect however the tea lady has more football intelligence than that and it is a dome marketing line

If it's the coach, I will stop watching completely 

I think you're being to picky.

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about 8 years ago

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

in today's stuff article someone in the club has been quoted as saying the new foreign player can play any where in central midfield 

What the fudge. That comment sums up this club at the moment

You may as well say the new goalie can play anywhere in goal

Who ever said that - the coach, CEO or the tea lady, needs to go

I suspect however the tea lady has more football intelligence than that and it is a dome marketing line

If it's the coach, I will stop watching completely 

AM / CM / DM

??

You know what they meant, surely. 

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about 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

Im more worried about how I explain this to myself and continue to justify buying merchandise and season passes when the club is yet to really show it means business since being handed the 4+4+2 deal.

Merchandise is for life, not just for Xmas
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about 8 years ago

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.

Disagree on this. The business side and the football side are co-dependent if you want a sustainable model. Look at the falling crowds and the damage to the club's brand which has been caused by continued failure on the pitch and in football related matters. A well-functioning business area will help the club maximise potential revenue but it's performance on the pitch which dictates what that potential revenue is. To pick a bigger example, Man Utd weren't signing up global noodle partners etc on lucrative deals because those companies thought Man Utd had a good business model. It was because of their history of success on the pitch.

I think you are making the mistake that many do of comparing us to the likes of Man U, Barcelona etc. I'm certain there will be a lot of clubs playing at a far lower level and not winning championships, that are a sustainable business/financial model. Granted, that is not the case in the A League but look at the likes of the NFL or the NBA, even the worst performing teams make profits. My point was that the 2 are not mutually exclusive but in our case better on field performance would be beneficial.

So Man u aren't a valid comparison but teams in the NBA and NFL are? Two of the biggest sporting competitions on the planet in terms of revenue generated? Sure they have salary caps and no promotion/relegation but that's where the similarities end. 

My point is that the ultimate driver of revenue for the Nix is the brand - just as it is for any professional sports team. Those NBA and NFL teams have the brand of the competition itself to help them out. We don't have that. If WelNix want the Nix to be sustainable the club has to have an appealing brand in the NZ sports market, which is tiny, and to a lesser extent in Australia. Being perennial losers on the field with constantly embarrassing drama off it is a recipe for a toxic brand. The only way to save the brand is to start winning. We need to be at least moderately successful on the field to be sustainable off it.

E

You are only validating what I said.
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about 8 years ago

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

I kind of think you're wrong there. Welnix have always said they will run this club in a more business-like manner. All the on field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme. Its us fans that do all of the gnashing of teeth over on-field performance. Despite all of this, you just wish the owners were more interested in what we actually do on the field and not just pay lipservice to it - treating us like fools with all of these bloody excuses and platitudes.

Disagree on this. The business side and the football side are co-dependent if you want a sustainable model. Look at the falling crowds and the damage to the club's brand which has been caused by continued failure on the pitch and in football related matters. A well-functioning business area will help the club maximise potential revenue but it's performance on the pitch which dictates what that potential revenue is. To pick a bigger example, Man Utd weren't signing up global noodle partners etc on lucrative deals because those companies thought Man Utd had a good business model. It was because of their history of success on the pitch.

I think you are making the mistake that many do of comparing us to the likes of Man U, Barcelona etc. I'm certain there will be a lot of clubs playing at a far lower level and not winning championships, that are a sustainable business/financial model. Granted, that is not the case in the A League but look at the likes of the NFL or the NBA, even the worst performing teams make profits. My point was that the 2 are not mutually exclusive but in our case better on field performance would be beneficial.

So Man u aren't a valid comparison but teams in the NBA and NFL are? Two of the biggest sporting competitions on the planet in terms of revenue generated? Sure they have salary caps and no promotion/relegation but that's where the similarities end. 

My point is that the ultimate driver of revenue for the Nix is the brand - just as it is for any professional sports team. Those NBA and NFL teams have the brand of the competition itself to help them out. We don't have that. If WelNix want the Nix to be sustainable the club has to have an appealing brand in the NZ sports market, which is tiny, and to a lesser extent in Australia. Being perennial losers on the field with constantly embarrassing drama off it is a recipe for a toxic brand. The only way to save the brand is to start winning. We need to be at least moderately successful on the field to be sustainable off it.

E

You are only validating what I said.

You said "all the on-field stuff we moan about really means nothing in terms of business where the bottom line reigns supreme." I'm saying that on-field stuff has a direct impact on the bottom line. I don't see how that is validating what you said.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

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about 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

It's a life lesson - in life when you are at work there is a boss, you do things the bosses way or you leave.  Hopefully the boss can sell you a vision so you just buy into his way but if you don't then you either do it anyway or your gone.

I think I'm gonna print this out and put it in our lunch room!!! Well said mate.


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Napier Phoenix wrote:

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

Smithy wrote:

I'm remaining fearsomely optimistic until I have reason not to be.

New coaches have both decent-level European experience AND broad A-League experience. Rado must have just about every player in the league in his mobile. 

And we've had a clearout. So they've got money to spend and foreign spots to use up. And we've kept some decent players too. And we've signed Singh. 

The only way is up, baby!

Hey at least we've still got Singh, right.

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about 8 years ago

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

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about 8 years ago

Fitzy wrote:

Smithy wrote:

I'm remaining fearsomely optimistic until I have reason not to be.

New coaches have both decent-level European experience AND broad A-League experience. Rado must have just about every player in the league in his mobile. 

And we've had a clearout. So they've got money to spend and foreign spots to use up. And we've kept some decent players too. And we've signed Singh. 

The only way is up, baby!

Hey at least we've still got Singh, right.


 
BREAKING: Singh signs for Adelaide

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about 8 years ago

Napier Phoenix wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

link

Wow, compelling argument

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

when was the press conference with Darije and Dura going to be today?

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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Well at least we got to know why our footy team was playing like a bunch of schoolkids with 11 different game plans. 

Touch wood we picked the right planner. 

I'm not sure if our football committee has a worse record than other similar groups.  It must always be a bit hit and miss unless you have the budget to always buy the proven and the best.  But hopefully we've got it right this time. 

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poor play = poor attendance

poor attendance = poor profits

poor profits = poor club

poor club = bye bye nix!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

DJ Jazzy Jeff Sarpong wrote:

when was the press conference with Darije and Dura going to be today?

Friday 22 December

Interviews – coach & player

2.30pm, Westpac Stadium

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about 8 years ago

This forum would be boring if we were a successful club!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu, Dura agreed with them, a little less vehemently laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.

Valley FC til I die?

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.

whos the wag man
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

DJ Jazzy Jeff Sarpong wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.

whos the wag man

If I say that she'll stop telling me stuff! I've posted the name in the past and was subsequently asked to remove it.

Valley FC til I die?

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

If this is true and accurate you can't blame Darije for being a little annoyed at Dura - I'd expect the capt to be my eyes and ears as well!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

DJ Jazzy Jeff Sarpong wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.

whos the wag man

If I say that she'll stop telling me stuff! I've posted the name in the past and was subsequently asked to remove it.

Is it Mrs Green?


Auckland will rise once more

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