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about 8 years ago

Feverish wrote:

wondering if it is in the club mission statement - but I'm beginning to think they don't have any strategy docs

Don't you think in the long run that more kiwis will increase the attachment to the club, plus it plays to our strength given kiwis are foreigners for Aussie clubs and it's harder to get Aussies to NZ?  

Obviously this is predicated on us being good, but signing average aussies like Mullen and Abbas because we are worried we might lose 4 or 5 players during the International windows is not going to play well over the long term surely?

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

Remember when we had the likes of Tom Biss and Sean Lovemore come in as cover for NZ duty and perform well

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about 8 years ago

Interesting seeing all the various statements about the 'long term'. All admirable sentiments, but in A League terms it doesn't appear to be a foregone conclusion that we'll actually be around for the 'long term'. IMO, DK seems to be being given what he wants and is starting a rebuild for next season. I hope it works, cos if next season is a flop as well then I'd suspect we will be in a fairly precarious situation all round. 

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about 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Feverish wrote:

wondering if it is in the club mission statement - but I'm beginning to think they don't have any strategy docs

Don't you think in the long run that more kiwis will increase the attachment to the club, plus it plays to our strength given kiwis are foreigners for Aussie clubs and it's harder to get Aussies to NZ?  

so the first reason is a marketing ploy - is that something that is then prescribed? i.e we must promote two young kiwis a year from the academy, or have half our squad as kiwis, etc ?

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about 8 years ago

Jag wrote:

Interesting seeing all the various statements about the 'long term'. All admirable sentiments, but in A League terms it doesn't appear to be a foregone conclusion that we'll actually be around for the 'long term'. IMO, DK seems to be being given what he wants and is starting a rebuild for next season. I hope it works, cos if next season is a flop as well then I'd suspect we will be in a fairly precarious situation all round. 

I think we're already in precarious situation. The league is struggling and the FFA are getting told off by FIFA. We make a great scapegoat to distract from other issues. Wouldn't take much stirring to get the Nix out brigade fired up again

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about 8 years ago

Remember when we had the likes of Tom Biss and Sean Lovemore come in as cover for NZ duty and perform well

I remember Biss, playing almost 90 minutes on his debut and then never getting on the park again is so weird. You'd think he would have been subbed on at least a few times afterwards, given that he had a solid performance
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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

ballane wrote:

So where are all these Kiwis of A league quality coming from and why are some so sure they will sign with us rather than an overseas contract. Not sure why the current gaffer thinks he can do something that hasnt worked to well so far.


Seems many on here as well as some in the club are wanting something that frankly we dont have the time frame to pull off.Given the +3 metric rubbish we have been set and where we are currently i fail to see how we have the time to pursue the goal of having mainly Kiwis in the team.

How do you sign an overseas contract without performing at a lower level? Unless your lucky enough to have a foreign passport of course and go overseas on your own accord.

Remind me again of the heap of Kiwis of A league quality just waiting around to be signed. Would love nothing more than to have more Kiwis in the team but your kidding yourself if you think we are going to get any better results than at present. Think there are more than a few Kiwis playing overseas who havnt used the Phoenix as a stepping stone  so that kind of makes the passport statement invalid.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

Not a marketing ploy Greenie, I think we will have a better chance of a good team if we can attract the best kiwis here who aren't playing at the top level in Europe.  I also personally get satisfaction from seeing kiwis in a Nix jersey.  I think we have signed some VERY average aussies which in the long run is not going to take the club forward

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about 8 years ago

Jag wrote:

Interesting seeing all the various statements about the 'long term'. All admirable sentiments, but in A League terms it doesn't appear to be a foregone conclusion that we'll actually be around for the 'long term'. IMO, DK seems to be being given what he wants and is starting a rebuild for next season. I hope it works, cos if next season is a flop as well then I'd suspect we will be in a fairly precarious situation all round. 

I think we're already in precarious situation. The league is struggling and the FFA are getting told off by FIFA. We make a great scapegoat to distract from other issues. Wouldn't take much stirring to get the Nix out brigade fired up again

Someone has to be bottom of the league. We are at least saving it from being Brisbane.
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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

Ryan wrote:

ballane wrote:

So where are all these Kiwis of A league quality coming from and why are some so sure they will sign with us rather than an overseas contract. Not sure why the current gaffer thinks he can do something that hasnt worked to well so far.


Seems many on here as well as some in the club are wanting something that frankly we dont have the time frame to pull off.Given the +3 metric rubbish we have been set and where we are currently i fail to see how we have the time to pursue the goal of having mainly Kiwis in the team.

How do you sign an overseas contract without performing at a lower level? Unless your lucky enough to have a foreign passport of course and go overseas on your own accord.

Remind me again of the heap of Kiwis of A league quality just waiting around to be signed. Would love nothing more than to have more Kiwis in the team but your kidding yourself if you think we are going to get any better results than at present. Think there are more than a few Kiwis playing overseas who havnt used the Phoenix as a stepping stone  so that kind of makes the passport statement invalid.

Marinovic was off contract over winter. Would have been better than our current keeping options. Musa bannged around at lower levels in the states for ages before getting his MLS deal and we could have made a play for him. Clayton Lewis was another one we missed out on recently. Colvey. Wynne. Even Myer Bevan.  There's definitely guys out there who would be better than some of our current squad.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

Fenix wrote:

Jag wrote:

Interesting seeing all the various statements about the 'long term'. All admirable sentiments, but in A League terms it doesn't appear to be a foregone conclusion that we'll actually be around for the 'long term'. IMO, DK seems to be being given what he wants and is starting a rebuild for next season. I hope it works, cos if next season is a flop as well then I'd suspect we will be in a fairly precarious situation all round. 

I think we're already in precarious situation. The league is struggling and the FFA are getting told off by FIFA. We make a great scapegoat to distract from other issues. Wouldn't take much stirring to get the Nix out brigade fired up again

Someone has to be bottom of the league. We are at least saving it from being Brisbane.

Yeah but we've missed out on the playoffs in 4 out of the 5 seasons before this. It's not like this season is an outlier for us. 

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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

Ryan wrote:

ballane wrote:

So where are all these Kiwis of A league quality coming from and why are some so sure they will sign with us rather than an overseas contract. Not sure why the current gaffer thinks he can do something that hasnt worked to well so far.


Seems many on here as well as some in the club are wanting something that frankly we dont have the time frame to pull off.Given the +3 metric rubbish we have been set and where we are currently i fail to see how we have the time to pursue the goal of having mainly Kiwis in the team.

How do you sign an overseas contract without performing at a lower level? Unless your lucky enough to have a foreign passport of course and go overseas on your own accord.

Remind me again of the heap of Kiwis of A league quality just waiting around to be signed. Would love nothing more than to have more Kiwis in the team but your kidding yourself if you think we are going to get any better results than at present. Think there are more than a few Kiwis playing overseas who havnt used the Phoenix as a stepping stone  so that kind of makes the passport statement invalid.

Isn't that why we have an academy?

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about 8 years ago

Good substitute taking off Rossi and putting on Burns when we go up a man. Like it.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Good substitute taking off Rossi and putting on Burns when we go up a man. Like it.

Shades of Gus Hiddink taking off Popovic in 20th minute to bring on Kewell, against Uruguay in 2005, purely because he noticed something about the way Uruguay were set up / were playing; an early tactical change which paid off eventually.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

Ryan wrote:

ballane wrote:

So where are all these Kiwis of A league quality coming from and why are some so sure they will sign with us rather than an overseas contract. Not sure why the current gaffer thinks he can do something that hasnt worked to well so far.


Seems many on here as well as some in the club are wanting something that frankly we dont have the time frame to pull off.Given the +3 metric rubbish we have been set and where we are currently i fail to see how we have the time to pursue the goal of having mainly Kiwis in the team.

How do you sign an overseas contract without performing at a lower level? Unless your lucky enough to have a foreign passport of course and go overseas on your own accord.

Remind me again of the heap of Kiwis of A league quality just waiting around to be signed. Would love nothing more than to have more Kiwis in the team but your kidding yourself if you think we are going to get any better results than at present. Think there are more than a few Kiwis playing overseas who havnt used the Phoenix as a stepping stone  so that kind of makes the passport statement invalid.

Marinovic was off contract over winter. Would have been better than our current keeping options. Musa bannged around at lower levels in the states for ages before getting his MLS deal and we could have made a play for him. Clayton Lewis was another one we missed out on recently. Colvey. Wynne. Even Myer Bevan.  There's definitely guys out there who would be better than some of our current squad.

That maybe the case but how certain can you be that they want play for the Phoenix,maybe some of them prefer to take their chances overseas. Im sure there are players out there better than some in our current squad but do they want to play here is the big question.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

ballane wrote:

Ryan wrote:

ballane wrote:

So where are all these Kiwis of A league quality coming from and why are some so sure they will sign with us rather than an overseas contract. Not sure why the current gaffer thinks he can do something that hasnt worked to well so far.


Seems many on here as well as some in the club are wanting something that frankly we dont have the time frame to pull off.Given the +3 metric rubbish we have been set and where we are currently i fail to see how we have the time to pursue the goal of having mainly Kiwis in the team.

How do you sign an overseas contract without performing at a lower level? Unless your lucky enough to have a foreign passport of course and go overseas on your own accord.

Remind me again of the heap of Kiwis of A league quality just waiting around to be signed. Would love nothing more than to have more Kiwis in the team but your kidding yourself if you think we are going to get any better results than at present. Think there are more than a few Kiwis playing overseas who havnt used the Phoenix as a stepping stone  so that kind of makes the passport statement invalid.

Marinovic was off contract over winter. Would have been better than our current keeping options. Musa bannged around at lower levels in the states for ages before getting his MLS deal and we could have made a play for him. Clayton Lewis was another one we missed out on recently. Colvey. Wynne. Even Myer Bevan.  There's definitely guys out there who would be better than some of our current squad.

That maybe the case but how certain can you be that they want play for the Phoenix,maybe some of them prefer to take their chances overseas. Im sure there are players out there better than some in our current squad but do they want to play here is the big question.

Obviously I can't be certain. But those guys were all at lower levels and presumably getting paid less than they could have been here. We don't know if they would or wouldn't have been interested because the club publicly stated it wouldn't be looking at kiwis.

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about 8 years ago

I think it's very unlikely many kiwis are keen to come back from overseas. We've seen plenty be more than happy to kick around lower divisions. Perhaps they see it as a failure to come back to NZ?

In Clayton's case, I'm pretty sure we were keen on him a few years back, but he went to sign for Millwall before the deal fell over. 

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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

I think it's very unlikely many kiwis are keen to come back from overseas. We've seen plenty be more than happy to kick around lower divisions. Perhaps they see it as a failure to come back to NZ?

In Clayton's case, I'm pretty sure we were keen on him a few years back, but he went to sign for Millwall before the deal fell over. 

how many of those young guys have we tried to lure back? Is there more than most of us are aware of?

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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

I think it's very unlikely many kiwis are keen to come back from overseas. We've seen plenty be more than happy to kick around lower divisions. Perhaps they see it as a failure to come back to NZ?

In Clayton's case, I'm pretty sure we were keen on him a few years back, but he went to sign for Millwall before the deal fell over. 

Some of the guys in the US are on less than the A-League minimum aren't they?

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

True, but I wouldn't underestimate the bright lights of playing overseas for a youngish player. Most of them probably think they will get a break at some stage. 

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about 8 years ago

I guess if we had more evidence of young players progressing through our team to bigger things that would help...

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

I guess if we had more evidence of young players progressing through our team to bigger things that would help...

funny seeing all the academy products sitting in the lounge last night McGarry, Sail, Singh, Rogerson, Rufer

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about 8 years ago

I thought last night Darije was superb! Great initiative to change the formation at 20mins (I do reckon Rossi is goneskis) also dragging a poor McGlinchey at half time proved he's wanting to get results!
I noticed too after the goal was conceded a lot of words were exchanged between Kalezic and McGlinchey, hence why I think he was dragged.

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about 8 years ago

Yeah, A-League coaches are often much maligned for being inflexible and lacking a plan b. Darje has shown to be much more pragmatic than that. 

Compare him to Muscat, Muscat was set to bring on a defender to hold it at 1-1 then the Phoenix went a head before the sub could be made yet he didn't change even though the reason for his sub had gone.

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about 8 years ago

Not totally correct, the tv coverage showed and stated that Berisha had signalled that he needed replacing [presumably through fatigue].

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about 8 years ago

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

 

Exactly!  Why wasn't Singh brought on in 80th minute, eh? Eh??

#sackdarije

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

 

Exactly!  Why wasn't Singh brought on in 89th minute, eh? Eh??

#sackdarije

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

I dunno what they had on their bench but they put the defender in Milligans spot and pushed him forward and he almost immediately created something for the Victory.

But yes two bold calls from Darije and as it turned out correct ones.

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

It was 4 minutes to go and they had Jai Ingham and an 18 year old left on the bench, don't think it was an overly surprising call not to sub one of them. Did anyone move forward when Nigro came on? 
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about 8 years ago

chopah wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Well, then surely you put on someone with a bit more attacking impetus.

I dunno what they had on their bench but they put the defender in Milligans spot and pushed him forward and he almost immediately created something for the Victory.

But yes two bold calls from Darije and as it turned out correct ones.

Milligan can be very effective as an AM, although that is not his normal position by any length. He is a tough, uncompromising customer, and that was probably a good call from Muscat. I thought Troisi let the side down - he is  a Socceroo and an attacker of some reputation, and should have done more when our defence was busy containing Berisha and (barely) Kosta.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Two excellent articles on Stuff about Matt Ridenton and about sports science telling him to not give Burns & new man 90 mins yet. Both based on very clear and sensible statements from Kalesic. I like him.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Burns or Ljujić aren't match fit - so having them start on the bench doesn't bother me. 

Ridenton definitely showed poor decision making in the last play of the game. Whether that's experience or being overwhelmed, only time will tell. 

I don't think fans want him dropped for just that decision though. It's the wayward passes, poor set pieces and bad match decision making that makes him frustrating. I appreciate he's fresh and there's a lot to learn and if DK thinks he's a better option than say Weemac, that's fine. But ultimately he's a professional footballer who should be fighting for his place in the team.

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TreeFiddy wrote:

Burns or Ljujić aren't match fit - so having them start on the bench doesn't bother me. 

Ridenton definitely showed poor decision making in the last play of the game. Whether that's experience or being overwhelmed, only time will tell. 

I don't think fans want him dropped for just that decision though. It's the wayward passes, poor set pieces and bad match decision making that makes him frustrating. I appreciate he's fresh and there's a lot to learn and if DK thinks he's a better option than say Weemac, that's fine. But ultimately he's a professional footballer who should be fighting for his place in the team.

Watson and Fenton are 23 or 24 years old.  Ridenton is only 21 and remains fit and healthy.  He is not a match winner but is good enough - in my own opinion - to be allowed to improve while playing for The Nix, and not for the teedubs.  Had a couple of close shots in a few games. 

Many players better than him can be accused of having "cost us a win" so scapegoating Ridenton is a bit unfair.  He is now surrounded by much better (and more motivated) players so he will stand out with mistakes more; but also may pick up good skills from them.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

The best delivery at the Phoenix post- Daniel has been Ridenton in the matches at the start of the season.  Also think Watson may deliver more with Burns and Roy running off him. Sounds like he's packing though. 



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about 8 years ago

I thought Watson's in Malaysia?



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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Burns or Ljujić aren't match fit - so having them start on the bench doesn't bother me. 

Ridenton definitely showed poor decision making in the last play of the game. Whether that's experience or being overwhelmed, only time will tell. 

I don't think fans want him dropped for just that decision though. It's the wayward passes, poor set pieces and bad match decision making that makes him frustrating. I appreciate he's fresh and there's a lot to learn and if DK thinks he's a better option than say Weemac, that's fine. But ultimately he's a professional footballer who should be fighting for his place in the team.

Many players better than him can be accused of having "cost us a win" so scapegoating Ridenton is a bit unfair.  He is now surrounded by much better (and more motivated) players so he will stand out with mistakes more; but also may pick up good skills from them.

My point was that it isn't just that instance that has caused people to get frustrated with him. The senior players should've put the game to bed earlier. If any player isn't performing they shouldn't be bullet proof just because they're learning.

Oh and I was using WeeMac as an example (his set pieces are rather bollocks). I'd hope Burns and Ljujić will be starters when they're fit. I'm not sure if that'd necessarily be at the expense of Ridenton.

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about 8 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

I thought Watson's in Malaysia?

Yeh, goneburgers right? 



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about 8 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Burns or Ljujić aren't match fit - so having them start on the bench doesn't bother me. 

Ridenton definitely showed poor decision making in the last play of the game. Whether that's experience or being overwhelmed, only time will tell. 

I don't think fans want him dropped for just that decision though. It's the wayward passes, poor set pieces and bad match decision making that makes him frustrating. I appreciate he's fresh and there's a lot to learn and if DK thinks he's a better option than say Weemac, that's fine. But ultimately he's a professional footballer who should be fighting for his place in the team.

set pieces have been better this year than they have been for many years
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