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Darije Kalezić: We hardly knew ye.

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over 8 years ago

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Dome has always appeared out of his depth in his role from day one.

The last couple of years he has simply been wearing floaties and has been flapping around

Just because he is sinking however doesn't mean he should drag this club down with him

He needs to walk tomorrow because we only have until the rest of the season to ensure the survival of this team

That's going to involve hiring a decent boss and some serious injection of cash


Auckland will rise once more

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 8 years ago

Valkanis doesn't have a job. Danny Hay has just resigned from 17s. Hedge is very qualified but has already been shafted by the club.

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over 8 years ago

There are no tanks in Baghdad

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

That game against City was easily the best loss I can remember...

We did show we can play really nice football

This is what's interesting. Pure speculation but perhaps Rado and a group of players had the opinion that playing like that and losing is worse than playing like shark and scrapping a win. With Darije and the other players trying to play like the first few games and improve while getting the results.

I don't see what else makes sense because the team performance declined rapidly over this season. Add that to Darije's comments about the players not listening and not being winners. Obviously there is difference of opinion within management.

Honestly I just want the team manger to have complete control with the assistant doing just that. Assisting. That's what we got Darije for. Lets see what he's made of. 100% on him from now on.



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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Well if the Stuff article is right then five players, including all the foreigners, made the ultimatum.

Im not a fan of "player power" and it appears over the years there has been too much player influence at the Phoenix.

But in this instance Im gonna side with them, god knows whats going on with the Vidosic's and Im going to propose they will be no loss whatsoever. I cant speak for the father cos I don't know what influence he has had, but Dario never looked correct to me, scored a couple of good goals , but never looked like a major influence on things to me. Id be much happier with Khrishna and Kaludjerovic up front, let Parkhouse play as a left wing provider, then bolster the middle with whoever we have left - Paracki, Ridenton, McGlinchey and Singh are the candidates. Goodness only knows what our best back four is, probably Doyle, Rossi, Durante or Mullen, and Galloway.

Who is potentially the next to jump ship? Rossi doesn't look like a happy bunny to me.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

nufc_nz wrote:

That game against City was easily the best loss I can remember...

We did show we can play really nice football

This is what's interesting. Pure speculation but perhaps Rado and a group of players had the opinion that playing like that and losing is worse than playing like shark and scrapping a win. With Darije and the other players trying to play like the first few games and improve while getting the results.

I don't see what else makes sense because the team performance declined rapidly over this season. Add that to Darije's comments about the players not listening and not being winners. Obviously there is difference of opinion within management.

Honestly I just want the team manager to have complete control with the assistant doing just that. Assisting. That's what we got Darije for. Lets see what he's made of. 100% on him from now on.

Absolutely, the manager has to be in control, not the players, CEO or assistant coach. Im still fairly bullish about our chance of playing decently from here on in, I really don't think Finkler or Vidosic are a loss. Forget the playoffs and even the results, I just like to see a side that's progressing and developing. Clearly we haven't been, and if we don't from here then Darije is a gonna and maybe the club too
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over 8 years ago

It will be really interesting to see what happens next on the field.

Sure the coach is at the end responsible for the performance. But coaching is team work as well, the assistant coach supplement the head coach, maybe the assistant is the analytical tactical genius and the coach the motivator and mentor, it probably pretty common. But if the coaching group has issues with themselves it creates problem for the team. The fish stinks from the head. Plus then you have a family member in the coaching and playing group, this sounds a recipe for trouble.

It looks like the Nix management is part of the issue, a well run club is not having the same trouble performing year after year.

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over 8 years ago

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

the same Dome that said  Kosta had no club to go to ?
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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

That absolutely could also be the case. I think it's clear that it's either what you described or vice versa.



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over 8 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

That absolutely could also be the case. I think it's clear that it's either what you described or vice versa.

That would be worrying, cos it means that "Darije Ball" is the shark we are currently serving up.
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over 8 years ago

Fenix wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

That absolutely could also be the case. I think it's clear that it's either what you described or vice versa.

That would be worrying, cos it means that "Darije Ball" is the shark we are currently serving up.

That's why i'm hoping it's the other way around! We'll see on Saturday night.



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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

Absolute sharke. If they have different philosophies they should never have been hired together. We’re now rebuilding the rebuild. 

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over 8 years ago
Grain of salt again, my good mates dad cut the hair of Rado's a couple of weeks back. He told me the hairdresser mentioned about the dominion slagging off Darije was a bit harsh, Rado thought it was fair. Seemed like there was growing tension between the two of them rather than one big flash point.
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over 8 years ago

Will all our injured players be suddenly available again now, with coaching shake up?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

First few games were excellent.

Remember the Roar comments where Rado was the brains of the title winning team, it's probably pretty clear that he holds himself as being more than an assistant

I know we're all stunned etc but it is fair to Rado to point out that he publicly said (in the past)  that he did not want to be a head coach and saw himself as an assistant, and he was comfortable with that. I understand this was the basis on which he was hired to WPX.   And as a side comment, his short spell as head coach at Brisbane Roar which ended in a disater, was probably a factor in his current stance on not wanting to be a head coach.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Yet, he obviously has the style he wants his teams to play. I do worry that we saw Rados influence at the start and Darje being more assertive now. Darje has said a few times that he likes his teams to be structured and disciplined, and he also said something like trying to score more goals than you concede is not part of his DNA.

Lets find out this weekend.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Yet, he obviously has the style he wants his teams to play. I do worry that we saw Rados influence at the start and Darje being more assertive now. Darje has said a few times that he likes his teams to be structured and disciplined, and he also said something like trying to score more goals than you concede is not part of his DNA.

Lets find out this weekend.

This weekend might be too early for a show of hand (would be good of course), but I agree that there might be positives in the developing situation  - if Darije's plan will work out over the next half a season then this mess probably won't get much more worse than now anyway.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

He must have become infected with the corporate "metric speak".
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over 8 years ago

As we seem unsure if this is the end of the begining and we are onwards and upwards, or the begining of the end and we are downwards and crashing to our doom, i wish the team and fellow forum users a great Christmas.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

The biggest question in all this - When we were leading into half time WHO choose to change tact and allow the opposition space and time on the ball.  This lead to LOSS

Coach

Assistant Coach

Captain

A Player

B Player

All Players

General Manager

The Office

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

David Dome was interviewed for newshub.

He said there wasn't anything acrimonious or any factions or anything like that but that Rado and Darje had different philosophies and they'd tried hard to make things work out but in the end Rado approached them and said it wasn't going to work.

I wonder if those first few games that we remember so fondly were Rado ball, it was certainly reminiscent of the Roar of old, as Darje was the new person to the league he may have given Rado more say and then as he got more familiar with it started to take more control.  Of course that is all 100% unfounded speculation.

Absolute sharke. If they have different philosophies they should never have been hired together. We’re now rebuilding the rebuild. 

I struggle to see how a difference in philosophies between an assistant and a head coach gets to cause mayhem on the pitch. Surely, a strong manager makes sure that his philosophy is the one that takes precedence and it is his product that takes place out on the pitch. I may well be right and this is how its meant to go and how Darje expected it to be but because Rado had other thoughts, that's why he got shot of him. There is more to this than we can possibly get our heads round at the moment but its hard to see this in a positive light.
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about 8 years ago

"There is more to this than we can possibly get our heads round at the moment but its hard to see this in a positive light."

Buying credits by deflecting attention from FFA, FIFA, APFA and VAR

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about 8 years ago

So, the club is a total joke now? Is there a point when we can start asking for our season ticket money back?

Ok, obviously things aren't quite that bad yet but on top of the last couple of seasons and with the license issue still hanging around in the background shark like this has a death spiral feel to it. I admire the optimism of the posters who think this is a sign that the club is sorting it's shark out but no matter how hard I squint or tilt my head I can't seem to make that particular 3D Magic Eye picture work for me.

Honestly I think people are being too optimistic. I hope I'm wrong though. 

bling blang blah
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about 8 years ago

bennie99 wrote:

So, the club is a total joke now? Is there a point when we can start asking for our season ticket money back?

Ok, obviously things aren't quite that bad yet but on top of the last couple of seasons and with the license issue still hanging around in the background shark like this has a death spiral feel to it. I admire the optimism of the posters who think this is a sign that the club is sorting it's shark out but no matter how hard I squint or tilt my head I can't seem to make that particular 3D Magic Eye picture work for me.

Honestly I think people are being too optimistic. I hope I'm wrong though. 

There's a problem with the club and the club is addressing it, it's not a good thing but it's positive that they're doing it.

I listened to the interview that Dome did when Darje was first hired again. He said that Darje asked about working with Rado and they said they'd look into it after they signed him.

I was really happy with Rado as an appointment, he's obviously been extremely successful and knows a lot about Australian football. Darje is still new to the A-League so it would be good to get him an assistant with A-League experience and contacts. I know people think that Greenacre is a step back but maybe Darje needs someone mild mannered to assist him. However I wonder if Trani is available.

Also presumably Fernando Alves came with Rado is he going to stick around?

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about 8 years ago

Ricardo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

He must have become infected with the corporate "metric speak".

This

Dome has been there as CEO for quite a number of years now. And we stumble from one management shambles to the next.

If I owned a company which had failed to meet its planned objective 4 out of the last 5 years(making top 6) and there were constant turnovers of key staff and constantly poor performances then I would be having a long hard look at the guy running the show.

Because in my opinion this club does not need a new coach or new players.....we have tried that and failed. We need someone who actually knows how to manage a professional football club. Dome is a light weight. He got lucky and got promoted from ???publicity guy to CEO???? The club has gone seriously backward under his watch. His flippant corporate speak just does not cut it any more. The club is drifting to oblivion.

Welnix have admitted they are not really football people. So it is absolutely crucial that they recruit the best possible CEO. They need someone with an extensive knowledge of running a pro football club...wonder what Tony Pignata is doing now????

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about 8 years ago

austin11 wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

He must have become infected with the corporate "metric speak".

This

Dome has been there as CEO for quite a number of years now. And we stumble from one management shambles to the next.

If I owned a company which had failed to meet its planned objective 4 out of the last 5 years(making top 6) and there were constant turnovers of key staff and constantly poor performances then I would be having a long hard look at the guy running the show.

Because in my opinion this club does not need a new coach or new players.....we have tried that and failed. We need someone who actually knows how to manage a professional football club. Dome is a light weight. He got lucky and got promoted from ???publicity guy to CEO???? The club has gone seriously backward under his watch. His flippant corporate speak just does not cut it any more. The club is drifting to oblivion.

Welnix have admitted they are not really football people. So it is absolutely crucial that they recruit the best possible CEO. They need someone with an extensive knowledge of running a pro football club...wonder what Tony Pignata is doing now????

What do you expect the CEO/GM to do? Keep firing coaches and players until something sticks? Get in his trackies and head down to the park and show the coach and players how it is done? 

Maybe we need to get rid of the football committee and get a proper DOF that can oversee the football operations - someone else we can blame when things go badly.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

I agree.

I know the buck stops at the CEO but from what I gather the back office staff don't have much to do with the football on field.

Dome may or may not be a good CEO for a football club and you have to acknowledge the performance on field since he arrived. But you also have to think that his primary focus will be on the off field performance which IMO is pretty good. The club has great partners and has stepped up a level with their social media chops. Marketing is a bit underwealming but that is something that every fanbase is complaining about at the moment.

Saying that, it probably isn't any coincidence that our best period was when Pignata was in charge, he also succesfully built Sydney into a title winning squad so I'd take someone with his track record in an instant.

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about 8 years ago

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

austin11 wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

He must have become infected with the corporate "metric speak".

This

Dome has been there as CEO for quite a number of years now. And we stumble from one management shambles to the next.

If I owned a company which had failed to meet its planned objective 4 out of the last 5 years(making top 6) and there were constant turnovers of key staff and constantly poor performances then I would be having a long hard look at the guy running the show.

Because in my opinion this club does not need a new coach or new players.....we have tried that and failed. We need someone who actually knows how to manage a professional football club. Dome is a light weight. He got lucky and got promoted from ???publicity guy to CEO???? The club has gone seriously backward under his watch. His flippant corporate speak just does not cut it any more. The club is drifting to oblivion.

Welnix have admitted they are not really football people. So it is absolutely crucial that they recruit the best possible CEO. They need someone with an extensive knowledge of running a pro football club...wonder what Tony Pignata is doing now????

What do you expect the CEO/GM to do? Keep firing coaches and players until something sticks? Get in his trackies and head down to the park and show the coach and players how it is done? 

Maybe we need to get rid of the football committee and get a proper DOF that can oversee the football operations - someone else we can blame when things go badly.

Its not about finding someone new to blame. Its about recognizing that the management of the Nix is not working and doing something about it. At the very least they need in independent review into the management over the last 5 years. The status quo does not cut it any more. Dome admitted that Dareji had raised the standard of professionalism at the club.....REALLY?. Why after all these years of Dome in charge was this sort of stuff already happening. 

Apart from the financials, this club is run like a amateur suburban tennis club.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

ballane wrote:

Why do people constantly post as if they are on the inside and are aware of something but cant name sources,must be a friggen big room because there seem to be a number of you.


Maybe if Welnix had paid as much attention to what we are a football team as they have done with off the field issues we may be better off. No point at all in have all the sponsors and corporate packages in place if the product your delivering is a big fail.

One or more of the below:

A) It's a small town and rumors travel around.

B) The club make press releases and statements and information is widely available.

C) It's speculation and that's kind of what this place is for.

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about 8 years ago

austin11 wrote:

Apart from the financials, this club is run like a amateur suburban tennis club.

Yes.  Because that is how sign and retain a company as large as Huawei as a sponsor.


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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

I agree.

I know the buck stops at the CEO but from what I gather the back office staff don't have much to do with the football on field.

Dome may or may not be a good CEO for a football club and you have to acknowledge the performance on field since he arrived. But you also have to think that his primary focus will be on the off field performance which IMO is pretty good. The club has great partners and has stepped up a level with their social media chops. Marketing is a bit underwealming but that is something that every fanbase is complaining about at the moment.

Saying that, it probably isn't any coincidence that our best period was when Pignata was in charge, he also succesfully built Sydney into a title winning squad so I'd take someone with his track record in an instant.

The back office staff not having much to do with the football side of the business is potentially the problem though. It's a small organisation and everyone should feel like they are all pulling in the same direction. The business side of the club shouldn't be viewed as something separate, that's the sort of thing which drives disengagement and divisiveness in your staff which in this case includes players and coaches. The whole club should be run as one big happy family with one unified goal and one culture of success. I think this separation of football from business functions is part of what changed since the Terry era. Obviously we're now more financially stable but the club is in danger of collapse because that hasn't been translated onto the field, and that ultimately is what makes or breaks a club, through crowds, sponsorship, etc.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

DON"T USE CEO for DD - I doubt he has the power of a CEO in the terms you talk of or the power Tony P had when he was here.

David Dome is the General Manager for a group of Investors who I believe guide his every move.

Spend more time at games is the best way to help.

PS This is personal opinion through years of following the club!

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about 8 years ago

The back office staff not having much to do with the football side of the business is potentially the problem though. It's a small organisation and everyone should feel like they are all pulling in the same direction. The business side of the club shouldn't be viewed as something separate, that's the sort of thing which drives disengagement and divisiveness in your staff which in this case includes players and coaches. The whole club should be run as one big happy family with one unified goal and one culture of success. I think this separation of football from business functions is part of what changed since the Terry era. Obviously we're now more financially stable but the club is in danger of collapse because that hasn't been translated onto the field, and that ultimately is what makes or breaks a club, through crowds, sponsorship, etc.

Often hear this from EPL teams, everyone from the captain, to the kit man has the same goal - winning the title (or finishing fourth if you're a Gunner), and they recognise how their role plays a part in achieving this.
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about 8 years ago

austin11 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

austin11 wrote:

Ricardo wrote:

james dean wrote:

Can I just repeat it for the record. David Dome is completely full of shark. They guy just spouts the worst corporate pr speak imaginable

He must have become infected with the corporate "metric speak".

This

Dome has been there as CEO for quite a number of years now. And we stumble from one management shambles to the next.

If I owned a company which had failed to meet its planned objective 4 out of the last 5 years(making top 6) and there were constant turnovers of key staff and constantly poor performances then I would be having a long hard look at the guy running the show.

Because in my opinion this club does not need a new coach or new players.....we have tried that and failed. We need someone who actually knows how to manage a professional football club. Dome is a light weight. He got lucky and got promoted from ???publicity guy to CEO???? The club has gone seriously backward under his watch. His flippant corporate speak just does not cut it any more. The club is drifting to oblivion.

Welnix have admitted they are not really football people. So it is absolutely crucial that they recruit the best possible CEO. They need someone with an extensive knowledge of running a pro football club...wonder what Tony Pignata is doing now????

What do you expect the CEO/GM to do? Keep firing coaches and players until something sticks? Get in his trackies and head down to the park and show the coach and players how it is done? 

Maybe we need to get rid of the football committee and get a proper DOF that can oversee the football operations - someone else we can blame when things go badly.

Its not about finding someone new to blame. Its about recognizing that the management of the Nix is not working and doing something about it. At the very least they need in independent review into the management over the last 5 years. The status quo does not cut it any more. Dome admitted that Dareji had raised the standard of professionalism at the club.....REALLY?. Why after all these years of Dome in charge was this sort of stuff already happening. 

Apart from the financials, this club is run like a amateur suburban tennis club.

That's why I think a DOF would be something that would be potentially usefull. Dome saying that the standard of professionalism has been raised is more of an indictment of the previous coaches because that is their area of expertise (not the GM), maybe having a DOF that oversees this then they can start having some consistency across the football side of the organisation across various coaches, be actively looking at improving the professionalism, help with scouting and squad management etc. (though DOF and coaches do clash all the time and not a panacea)
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about 8 years ago

Perhaps this new facility that's being built in Trentham will have space for both the back office and the footballing side of the operation in one location.

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