Wellington Phoenix Men

Exhibition - Spurs to NZ ?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
What about a German team?� Would there be any hope there?� Bayern Munich are a big team (can't be bothered arguing it with anyone, so take my word for it) but getting them here would be a mission.� What about Werder Bremen with the whole Wynton Rufer connection?


If Bayern won the Champions League and we managed to get them here that could sell out.

Don't think a game against any other German club would.
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bopman wrote:
Ok, so if we agree that the big 3/4 are out of reach surely the next best bet after that to fill an NZ stadium would be Blackburn off the back of Nelsen. Even them I'm not convinced that would pack it out.
 
Someone made a good point a couple of pages back that instead of putting all the eggs in filling the caketin basket they could play a series of games across the country, you could comfortably pull 20k in each of Welly, Auck and Chch for a Blackburn game I would have thought which would give somewhere near the same revenue/returns/covering of costs as a one off 30k at the RoF
 
I like the idea, but no team is going to want to come here for a pre-season match and play the same team three times, which admittedly are well below-par as competition for them. No challenge for them, or their players, and there would be greater benefit in them playing pre-season matches against better opposition back home, than all three matches here.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Also, no-one will want to spend too much time here - we're simply too small a market for those clubs to waste spending two weeks (including travel) - a good chunk of their pre-season - here.

Any given club won't want to spend much more time here than one game, which is why the club will have to be very careful about the clubs they approach, since the last thing we want is to get only 8-10,000 against someone like Fulham on a cold July night.
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Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.


I can tell you that Braintree Town FC wear an aweful yellow that looks like vomit (I wear it with Pride), play at Cressing Road and Sean Marks is there leading goal scorer.

Therefore they are a big club and we should bring them over
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Three games, three days apart.  That could all be completed in a week and they can bugger off and play more 'worthy' opposition (as if any Premier League team can be considered more worthy opposition than the mighty Phoenix).
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sean Marks:

Number 1 draft pick on the NBA Live 2010 fantasy draft!
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
Three games, three days apart.� That could all be completed in a week and they can bugger off and play more 'worthy' opposition (as if any Premier League team can be considered more worthy opposition than the mighty Phoenix).


You mean a game every three days? That's a week, add in 2-3 days travel, and that's way too long to spend in a country of 4 million people.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
"Hang on. Why didn't you give EG abuse for "hi jacking"? Playing forum favourites are we LG"

He stated an opinion less than 40 times.  That's allowable in my books.  Add to that he doesn't have a history like you (just the other day massive argument over nothing with Michael(?) from memory).  Add to this the topic is somewhat interesting and not completely repetitive.


Hmmm, I remember you saying you had a good laugh at that argument and enjoyed it. What's changed? If you don't like me anymore perhaps just tell me and i'll keep out of your way on here.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It was amusing, the immaturity involved was sensational.  It wasn't as completely annoying because while you two were pulling each others hair I wasn't trying to post/read the posts of others.  I only came later.  It was still a hi-jack regardless.

And it's nothing to do with liking or not liking you, I have never lain eyes on you.  Though the fact you're an Arsenal man has, if anything, tilted it in your favour.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can't we all just get along lads.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ok for those who can't be buggered trawling back over this thread...
here's a misguided, quick-as,blow by blow Big Picture summary of what's happened so far..

All sorts of bias..this epl team and that, blatant fans spruiking fave team, then page 2 RubberDucky hits us with his dream team line-up..in his sig of all places!..very tidy line-up, but no faces you could put a name to..(what footballer?..I never saw a footballer!)
then WHAM!!..
Oceanic 6 hits the money shot. Ronaldo to lead the dream team. good start.
..more verbals about euro/sth american/epl teams...and verbal sparring on Scots/Geordie
KAPOW!
Ubergunner uppercuts with Freddie in his UnderKleins. those two a marketers Dream.
then..out of Le Bleu...
BIFF...
2nd Best throws a roundhouse with Mr Banstick!!??...for the French Rugby Team maybe.. but not to play the Nix mate!
and BAM!! Hard News counters with Sean Marks. eh???...   ok targetman... er,........ 'spose so..hmm
(An unexpected 1-2 from the mods there.. what planet are these Fever execs on?)

So, that's it so far. That's the Big Picture overview.

My work is done.As you were. Carry on.




  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hey..
Just wondering. Who would people like to see the nix play?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sydney FC. A-league champions and all that. Would get a huge crowd I reckon.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmmm... I guess that they are a top flight team.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
And they have a fan club here as well, so guess that would help the crowd too...
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I tried so hard now to walk into that.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stefan wrote:
Hey..
Just wondering. Who would people like to see the nix play?
Anyone really, but in terms of "BIGish  clubs" I'd like to see:
 
Man Utd
Chelsea
Arsenal
Perennial strugglers Liverpool
 
Celtic
 
Barca
Real Madrid
 
Juventus
Inter
AC Milan
 
FC Porto
 
Boca Juniors.
You know we belong together...

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Porto  Big 

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
And they have a fan club here as well, so guess that would help the crowd too...
Eejit and Maxx, that's a BIG fanbase.
You know we belong together...

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Porto  Big 
Hence the ish.
 
 
You know we belong together...

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oska wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
And they have a fan club here as well, so guess that would help the crowd too...
Eejit and Maxx, that's a BIG fanbase.


Too bad you aren't a fan.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Too easy.
You know we belong together...

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bigtobz wrote:
bopman wrote:
Ok, so if we agree that the big 3/4 are out of reach surely the next best bet after that to fill an NZ stadium would be Blackburn off the back of Nelsen. Even them I'm not convinced that would pack it out.
 
Someone made a good point a couple of pages back that instead of putting all the eggs in filling the caketin basket they could play a series of games across the country, you could comfortably pull 20k in each of Welly, Auck and Chch for a Blackburn game I would have thought which would give somewhere near the same revenue/returns/covering of costs as a one off 30k at the RoF
 
I like the idea, but no team is going to want to come here for a pre-season match and play the same team three times, which admittedly are well below-par as competition for them. No challenge for them, or their players, and there would be greater benefit in them playing pre-season matches against better opposition back home, than all three matches here.


Sometimes, putting all your eggs in one basket can sometimes be the best option if the price of  baskets is particularly expensive 3 matches = >6 hours of venue hire charges instead of >2 + 3x Staff Expenses + 3x Promotional Expenses + 3x appearance fees... and so forth. It'd effectively third transport costs, but that's about it (at least AFAIK).


IMHO, if we want to capitalise on big names coming to NZ, then we need to offer both the visitors and the NZ general public something better than a two-legged challenge. One option could be the All Whites.

If we want to spread the Phoenix around the country using exhibition matches (as an alternative to moving home fixtures), then Asian oppostion rather than going for big names could be an idea too. AFC clubs might see us as good practice for A-League opposition in the ACL. Wellington v. Kashima Antlers probably won't get a massive crowd in Wellington, but it might get a respectable crowd in Auckland, due to the lack of other opportunities to see the Nix play - example being how Christchuch wouldn't have gotten such a large attendance for the Adelaide match if they got to see them play every second weekend at Lancaster Park.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Teams I'd pay to see who are of a reasonable stature (I fear saying big for obvious reasons):
England:
Arsenal, Chelsea, Perennial strugglers Liverpool, Spurs, Everton, Blackburn.

Scotland:
Rangers, Celtic

Denmark:
Midtylland (sp).

Portugal:
Benfica

Spain:
Real Madrid,Barcelona, Villareal, Valencia, Atletico Madrid.

Italy:
Inter, Milan.

Russia:
Lokomotiv, CSKA.

Other:
Olympiacos, Steaua Bucharest, Canterbury United, Colorado Rapids
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not sure one AW (Rovers, Midtiyjliand atc) will provide enough pulling power to make an otherwise average side worth bringing over, and any Aussie to make the side marketable over there will also count for little because they get a lot more opportunities for Socceroos home games now.
 
Also, any "Dream Team" game sell-out will rely heavily on fans coming in from round the country to add to the 20k or so we'll get out of Welly, if these fans don't have to travel, we could end up with 3 games with an average crowd of 15K instead of one blockbuster at 35K. I know what I'd prefer.
You know we belong together...

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
After reading this i'm guessing it must be the school holidays.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yes sir
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Off Season + School Holidays = WORLD OF STOOPID!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
North Queensland Fury.


But seriously, Perennial strugglers Liverpool of course!!
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Damn that PS being added when I put L'pool in
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Everyone seems to be forgetting the Club that propelled at least 3 Current All-Whites to Stardom...
 
Rory Fallon
Leo Bertos
David Mulligan
 
 
BARNSLEY FC!!!
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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C-Diddy wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting the Club that propelled at least 3 2 Current All-Whites to Stardom...
 
Rory Fallon
Leo Bertos
David Mulligan
 
 
BARNSLEY FC!!!
 


Fixed.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think people are underestimating the crowd figures. I think you will find that the first game of the A-league season for the nix will probly pull around 13-15k. So u start off with the base figure of 15k and add 5k for the quality of opposition top4 being 30-35k and everton being 25k surely if tickets are 50bux we could entice everton over if they play a game with some aussie teams. Im sure everton would jump at the chance of  having a extra million in their coffers being skint and all.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I suggested this in another thread a while ago but what about a two day tournament where 4 teams have two games (1 each day), and we invite 1 "Big name" team, a team from Asia and one other HAL team. We play the big team and the Asian team, ensuring decent interest in the nix fixtures, the big team get us and the other HAL team, and the Asian team gets 2 A-league teams who could be possible future opponents in the ACL. Having the Asian/Austrailian/Foriegn team means we could sell TV coverage and make money from TV rights. Also give the Big team the opportunity to sell coverage to its on-line subscribers.

It could become an annual event similar to the sevens and receive council funding to help promote, and make it a huge weekend for retailers and hospitality in Wellington.
 
This solution would check a lot of boxes for Tony & Terry
1) good money spinner as ticket prices could be increased due to admission on each day including two match's.
2) actually good preparation for the nix and a good chance to use some squad players  over the weekend.
3) Huge profile event that would bring visitors from Australia and Asia and possibly further if the Big team played another match in Australia.
4) it would also get huge media attention post WC as the country would still be buzzing about football
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
That's a very good idea UG.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
UberGunner wrote:

I suggested this in another thread a while ago but what about a two day tournament where 4 teams have two games (1 each day), and we invite 1 "Big name" team, a team from Asia and one other HAL team. We play the big team and the Asian team, ensuring decent interest in the nix fixtures, the big team get us and the other HAL team, and the Asian team gets 2 A-league teams who could be possible future opponents in the ACL. Having the Asian/Austrailian/Foriegn team means we could sell TV coverage and make money from TV rights. Also give the Big team the opportunity to sell coverage to its on-line subscribers.

It could become an annual event similar to the sevens and receive council funding to help promote, and make it a huge weekend for retailers and hospitality in Wellington.
 
This solution would check a lot of boxes for Tony & Terry
1) good money spinner as ticket prices could be increased due to admission on each day including two match's.
2) actually good preparation for the nix and a good chance to use some squad players  over the weekend.
3) Huge profile event that would bring visitors from Australia and Asia and possibly further if the Big team played another match in Australia.
4) it would also get huge media attention post WC as the country would still be buzzing about football


Similar concept to the Emirates comp that we play every year, no?

Like it. Lots!
E + R + O

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
UberGunner wrote:

I suggested this in another thread a while ago but what about a two day tournament where 4 teams have two games (1 each day), and we invite 1 "Big name" team, a team from Asia and one other HAL team. We play the big team and the Asian team, ensuring decent interest in the nix fixtures, the big team get us and the other HAL team, and the Asian team gets 2 A-league teams who could be possible future opponents in the ACL. Having the Asian/Austrailian/Foriegn team means we could sell TV coverage and make money from TV rights. Also give the Big team the opportunity to sell coverage to its on-line subscribers.

It could become an annual event similar to the sevens and receive council funding to help promote, and make it a huge weekend for retailers and hospitality in Wellington.
 
This solution would check a lot of boxes for Tony & Terry
1) good money spinner as ticket prices could be increased due to admission on each day including two match's.
2) actually good preparation for the nix and a good chance to use some squad players  over the weekend.
3) Huge profile event that would bring visitors from Australia and Asia and possibly further if the Big team played another match in Australia.
4) it would also get huge media attention post WC as the country would still be buzzing about football
 
 
That'd be cool as! Wicked idea.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I fourth it.

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