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Football United - July 2014 West Ham and Newcastle visit

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Not sure if Sydney were over-awed, out-classed or out-colded. Probably a combination of all factors.
I think they were  a bit over-awed, although not sure that the Newcastle team deserved such respect and reverence.
However the fitness and speed gap between the teams was so great, that the skill gap didn't come into it.  
Sydney did little in the first half, apart from gifting the first and third goals, then played to minimise the margin of defeat in the second.
Hope the Nix get into both teams this week, though it was definitely a 'friendly' game in terms of contact in the tackles and no chopping of players, once they'd gone past.
From a Newcastle fan's perspective it was as expected,  as a Phoenix fan I know they'll approach the game in a much more competitive mind-set that Sydney in both games

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.

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I went and was left impressed by the skill level of the Toons but not exactly blown away by the spectacle.

I would recommend to anyone for the next 2 games, the match-day programme. Simply superb, looks brilliant, some nice stuff in there and for $5 it's an absolute steal. I'm inclined to buy programmes anyway, but even if I wasn't, i'd still be all over this. Also features a nice YF write up with Smithy talking smack about Sydney and a subtle dig at Southern Football.

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ForteanTimes wrote:

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.



Alternative view:
(1) It's a pre-season friendly not a 'proper' competitive sporting fixture that presents a chance to see two teams from one of the major world league competitions  in any sport
(2) Never mind the sporting reason admire the skill and enjoy a visit of two EPL teams, who look like they want to mix with existing fans and potential fans of their game .  
(3) The underwriting of the tour by Phoenix/Welnix is a lot cheaper for NZ fans than having to fly to Australia to watch West Ham & Newcastle in a four way competition with Sydney and Phoenix, that would have made much more commercial sense, to my eyes anyway. Atlhough the weather in NZ at the moment makes that a trip that many, including myself would have loved to make, though but!  
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over 11 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.

I realized I never made a point. If Cambridge can hold a la liga team and put two in against Shakhtar Donetsk then Sydney and the Nix should be able to put on a display.

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ForteanTimes wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.

I realized I never made a point. If Cambridge can hold a la liga team and put two in against Shakhtar Donetsk then Sydney and the Nix should be able to put on a display.



FFS! It's a pre-season game!
A pre-season game in football, is the same as a pre-season game of football as played by Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, although I will admit , the latter's version of a pre-season game is Super Rugby.
What teams were sent? What is the level of commitment of the 'better' team?
 I used to live 16km north of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne and our local club would play 'Newcastle United', it would be a team of U21s and possibles...but that was just our local team. Who won or lost was meaningless. Decide if you want to go along and watch or not, please don't put any meaning into pre-season games 
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over 11 years ago

Yes and no.  

It should mean something for Nix and Bling players. 

It is meaningless as a contest

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

Warwick Hunt wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.

I realized I never made a point. If Cambridge can hold a la liga team and put two in against Shakhtar Donetsk then Sydney and the Nix should be able to put on a display.



FFS! It's a pre-season game!
A pre-season game in football, is the same as a pre-season game of football as played by Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, although I will admit , the latter's version of a pre-season game is Super Rugby.
What teams were sent? What is the level of commitment of the 'better' team?
 I used to live 16km north of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne and our local club would play 'Newcastle United', it would be a team of U21s and possibles...but that was just our local team. Who won or lost was meaningless. Decide if you want to go along and watch or not, please don't put any meaning into pre-season games 

Thanks for the lessons in football, I never realised.

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over 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Yes and no.  

It should mean something for Nix and Bling players. 

It is meaningless as a contest

Unlike the Absolute Sports Travel Cup.

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over 11 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Yes and no.  

It should mean something for Nix and Bling players. 

It is meaningless as a contest

Unlike the Absolute Sports Travel Cup.

Quite! It would mean nothing for the Nix and Bling players!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

Warwick Hunt wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

james dean wrote:

The problem with these games is that there is no sporting reason for the match to take place.  It is a contest which is only there due to financial concerns - therefore you are not going to get a proper sporting fixture

Cambridge United drew 2-2 with Espanyol the other day in the Absolute Sports Travel Cup. West Ham also played and for Steve-O, to keep him up to date on fixture prices, the price was 15 quid a ticket.

That's a proper sporting fixture and cheap as chips.

I realized I never made a point. If Cambridge can hold a la liga team and put two in against Shakhtar Donetsk then Sydney and the Nix should be able to put on a display.



FFS! It's a pre-season game!
A pre-season game in football, is the same as a pre-season game of football as played by Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, although I will admit , the latter's version of a pre-season game is Super Rugby.
What teams were sent? What is the level of commitment of the 'better' team?
 I used to live 16km north of Newcastle-Upon-Tyne and our local club would play 'Newcastle United', it would be a team of U21s and possibles...but that was just our local team. Who won or lost was meaningless. Decide if you want to go along and watch or not, please don't put any meaning into pre-season games 

Thanks for the lessons in football, I never realised.


Too late after your previous comment or too early in the morning to be so patronising 

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over 11 years ago

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

Oh and while the games per se won't mean anything for the Toon players other than sorting out positions for the new season, the trip itself should be a good team building exercise.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 11 years ago

Fire up kids - its GAMEDAY  woot woot 8)

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over 11 years ago

otagofan wrote:

I would recommend to anyone for the next 2 games, the match-day programme. Simply superb, looks brilliant, some nice stuff in there and for $5 it's an absolute steal. I'm inclined to buy programmes anyway, but even if I wasn't, i'd still be all over this. Also features a nice YF write up with Smithy talking smack about Sydney and a subtle dig at Southern Football.

Make my life easy buy your program early on Saturday. 

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<p>Andy Carroll out of both NZ tour games due to ankle strain...</p><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2701921/Andy-Carroll-forced-sit-West-Hams-New-Zealand-tour-sore-ankle.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...</a></p>


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 11 years ago

The speed and strength difference was very evident last night. Especially live. A couple of times the Newkie players got themselves out of trouble with the speed.

Extremely strange kit decision. There did seem to be a few times when players made tight passes to the wrong player.

"Who ate all the pies"

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over 11 years ago

Dougie Rydal wrote:

<p>Andy Carroll out of both NZ tour games due to ankle strain...</p><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2701921/Andy-Carroll-forced-sit-West-Hams-New-Zealand-tour-sore-ankle.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...</a></p>

Not sure why the "a's" and "p's" are in that, but you get the gist, Siggy won't have to mark Carroll.


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 11 years ago

Fruglo wrote:

Before the tour I was slated by some on here for thinking $100 is far too steep for a ticket to watch a bunch of reserve players with the odd first teamer to play a meaningless match with no intensity.

Has tonight not proved that I wasn't that wrong? I think so.

I don't think you could have used more double negatives in that last sentence had you tried Fruglo. Hardly the way to make a compelling point.

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Anyone got a spare YF ticket for Saturday?

Still need a ticket?  $50 and its yours (just need to doublecheck I can still get it)

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over 11 years ago
Dino11 wrote:

Extremely strange kit decision. There did seem to be a few times when players made tight passes to the wrong player.

Very true , who decides this stuff? Greys against the light blues. Does anyone think about the spectator who is coughing all the money?
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over 11 years ago

It was good value and a good night.. 

The only thing I could think of was that they forgot to bring a home kit.. 

"Who ate all the pies"

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over 11 years ago

Dino11 wrote:

It was good value and a good night.. 

The only thing I could think of was that they forgot to bring a home kit.. 



The commentator last night mentioned they'd be playing in the traditional black and white stripes in the next game, mind you based on  the newly leaked pictures of this season's strip is not very traditional  
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over 11 years ago

That would be great Vick. Fever zone?

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

This has to be the last big football game in Dunedin.  Truly flogging a dead horse down there.  The stadium was so expensive it needs to host events but it's not good for anyone the council stumping up for matches people don't attend.  I could have predicted this wouldn't have been well attended because Dunedin is not a good football crowd

Really, they should have had 2 double headers - Wgtn and Auckland.  I think you'd have gotten well over 25k in Akld and obviously good crowds in Wgtn too.  Then you can also justify the higher prices.

In order to fit 2 games in for each side, one had to be midweek. Would a Tuesday & Wednesday night double header have worked at Eden Park? I think Welnix knew Dunners was always going to be an issue for crowds but they got the stadium hire cheap and given the likelihood for bad weather, it has the roof.
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james dean wrote:

This has to be the last big football game in Dunedin.  Truly flogging a dead horse down there.  The stadium was so expensive it needs to host events but it's not good for anyone the council stumping up for matches people don't attend.  I could have predicted this wouldn't have been well attended because Dunedin is not a good football crowd

Really, they should have had 2 double headers - Wgtn and Auckland.  I think you'd have gotten well over 25k in Akld and obviously good crowds in Wgtn too.  Then you can also justify the higher prices.

In order to fit 2 games in for each side, one had to be midweek. Would a Tuesday & Wednesday night double header have worked at Eden Park? I think Welnix knew Dunners was always going to be an issue for crowds but they got the stadium hire cheap and given the likelihood for bad weather, it has the roof.

I heard that the stadium / council was underwriting the event there so the nix were guaranteed to get their money back.

I wonder if they investigated a doulbe header in Sydney mid week though?

edit:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/305222/confidenc...

Underwrote the event, needed to sell 9,500 to break even, were hoping for 15k. There were 2,200 stadium pass holders who don't count in that 9.5k amount, so depending on how many of those showed up it seems unlikely that they got their money back.

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over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

james dean wrote:

This has to be the last big football game in Dunedin.  Truly flogging a dead horse down there.  The stadium was so expensive it needs to host events but it's not good for anyone the council stumping up for matches people don't attend.  I could have predicted this wouldn't have been well attended because Dunedin is not a good football crowd

Really, they should have had 2 double headers - Wgtn and Auckland.  I think you'd have gotten well over 25k in Akld and obviously good crowds in Wgtn too.  Then you can also justify the higher prices.

In order to fit 2 games in for each side, one had to be midweek. Would a Tuesday & Wednesday night double header have worked at Eden Park? I think Welnix knew Dunners was always going to be an issue for crowds but they got the stadium hire cheap and given the likelihood for bad weather, it has the roof.

I heard that the stadium / council was underwriting the event there so the nix were guaranteed to get their money back.

I wonder if they investigated a doulbe header in Sydney mid week though?

The point was to bring 2 BPL teams to NZ. If they played 1 game in Aussie, traveling Hammers/Toon fans probably would have chosen that one to go to rather than come here as well.
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over 11 years ago

Welcome to New Zealand travelling Newcastle and West Ham fams. Hope you enjoy your brief stay here.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago

9506 attended according to ODT. So thats a $200-$300 profit?

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over 11 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

9506 attended according to ODT. So thats a $200-$300 profit?

Plus PPV?
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AJ13 wrote:

9506 attended according to ODT. So thats a $200-$300 profit?

Yeah but with the 2,200 stadium pass holders that's only 7306 paying customers (well probably more as most of the rugby loving pass holders wouldn't bother going)

Not successful but hopefully not too big a loss.

I wonder what Dunedin is going to do, they can't keep losing money on the stadium but really have no alternative. Sell the roof to WellNix and get it shipped up here.

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over 11 years ago

I like the stadium. I don't think I like the echo it gives off tho

I LOVE LAMP

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over 11 years ago

A view from the Toon (from nufc.com)

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

That would be great Vick. Fever zone?

Yep, next to Turfmoore (that's not a selling point obviously....), will be at BB on Saturday can sort out then?

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over 11 years ago
of course it will all have been about money/sponsorship and associated nonsense but watching that game on TV last night was disappointing. Im realistic enough to know that for WHU and NUFC these games are nothing more than a bit of a kick about, but for NZ its a real big deal. So to have Newcastle playing in what looked like totally non-descript training gear was pathetic; frankly Sydney's opponents could have been anyone - the least they could have done would have been to play in the traditional black and white stripes. OK the players wouldnt have been any different but isnt the kit an integral part of what makes Newcastle United Newcastle United? In my mind it is.
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over 11 years ago

IronNix fan wrote:
of course it will all have been about money/sponsorship and associated nonsense but watching that game on TV last night was disappointing. Im realistic enough to know that for WHU and NUFC these games are nothing more than a bit of a kick about, but for NZ its a real big deal. So to have Newcastle playing in what looked like totally non-descript training gear was pathetic; frankly Sydney's opponents could have been anyone - the least they could have done would have been to play in the traditional black and white stripes. OK the players wouldnt have been any different but isnt the kit an integral part of what makes Newcastle United Newcastle United? In my mind it is.

Umm that non-descript training gear is their away kit for 2014/15

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over 11 years ago
JonoNewton wrote:

IronNix fan wrote:
of course it will all have been about money/sponsorship and associated nonsense but watching that game on TV last night was disappointing. Im realistic enough to know that for WHU and NUFC these games are nothing more than a bit of a kick about, but for NZ its a real big deal. So to have Newcastle playing in what looked like totally non-descript training gear was pathetic; frankly Sydney's opponents could have been anyone - the least they could have done would have been to play in the traditional black and white stripes. OK the players wouldnt have been any different but isnt the kit an integral part of what makes Newcastle United Newcastle United? In my mind it is.

Umm that non-descript training gear is their away kit for 2014/15

ok i know its about money but Im sorry the question still needs to be asked - why the hell does NUFC even need an 'away' kit when they are the only premier league team that plays in b/w stripes???
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