I'm interested to see who will have the most fierce mo.
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I totally agree with giving daniel a run even more now that fred is here they could play of each other well although not sure if fred is that sort of brazillian if that makes sense. I guess we will have to wait and see
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Yeah, Daniel really needs to be played IMO
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i love daniel and all and im all for him playing but when he comes of the bench hes been avrage and slow now if he does start i hope he plays well but i think itll be more like the whole give costa a run and when hes out theyre hes rubbish pedersen2008-11-23 17:00:25
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Fred was the x-factor, absolute class in this context
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Can someone tell me which game is fred's last game
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Great, he will help us into the top four and then have to leave when we still have 4 crucial games still to play.
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Them's the rules. No guest players in the last four rounds.
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Clogs, 28th December.
I'll be there 
Founder
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Great, he will help us into the top four and then have to leave when we still have 4 crucial games still to play.
From what I have been reading in an article in the Herald in Australia, there is a way we could have Fred for the rest of the season
If he was signed as our Marquee he would be able to play in all games the games we have left, including the finals series if we got that far.
This is something that Newcastle are looking at, either getting a marquee, or maybe changing Milligan who is a guest player, over to marquee status to allow him to stay on with them for the season including their champions League campaign.
A Marquee player can be signed on at any time apparently. As far as I am aware we dont have an official Marquee.
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A Marquee player can be signed on at any time apparently. As far as I am aware we dont have an official Marquee.
McKain.
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Ah... McKain... we've heard it again!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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I imagine that decision will be made for next year, he's not paid a particularly high amount (allegedly) it's just that as a returning Aus player with 12 caps he meets the marquee definition.
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I imagine that decision will be made for next year, he's not paid a particularly high amount (allegedly) it's just that as a returning Aus player with 12 caps he meets the marquee definition.
Hadnt realised that, thanks for the info.
So this means that if Kewell or Viduka or Kennedy or Schwarzer return to play out their days in Aust, that they will only be able to do so as marquees, and that at any time there can only be a maximum of 8 well capped returning Aussies in the A League? Seems a bit wierd
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I suspect you are looking at it the wrong way around.
Those players would fit a marquee spot and the requirements of a marquee but they could also be under the cap. Just like McKain for us. There are certain requirements a Marquee should meet (although these seem to be pretty relaxed) to be tagged as one and McKain just happens to fit them most tidily out of those in our squad.
That clearer ?
Those players would fit a marquee spot and the requirements of a marquee but they could also be under the cap. Just like McKain for us. There are certain requirements a Marquee should meet (although these seem to be pretty relaxed) to be tagged as one and McKain just happens to fit them most tidily out of those in our squad.
That clearer ?
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Huh? He doesn't mean that they *have* to be marquee - we just made McKain marquee as a 'might as well' kind of thing afaik.
a.haak
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I suspect you are looking at it the wrong way around.
Those players would fit a marquee spot and the requirements of a marquee but they could also be under the cap. Just like McKain for us. There are certain requirements a Marquee should meet (although these seem to be pretty relaxed) to be tagged as one and McKain just happens to fit them most tidily out of those in our squad.
That clearer ?
Those players would fit a marquee spot and the requirements of a marquee but they could also be under the cap. Just like McKain for us. There are certain requirements a Marquee should meet (although these seem to be pretty relaxed) to be tagged as one and McKain just happens to fit them most tidily out of those in our squad.
That clearer ?
I'm getting there, and I like looking at things from different angles, so what is the answer to this?
At present we have 21 players and a guest in our permitted squad of 23. (hope I have that right)
I understand the salary cap is for 23 players, some will be paid more, some less but the total they are paid needs to be within the cap
At the end of Freds guest stint we will have only 21 players. If Mckains salary isnt so large and combined with the others it fits under the cap for 23 players, can he then be officially demarqued?
And would that then leave us with the option of picking up a marquee - Fred - for the rest of the season?
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At present we have 21 players and a guest in our permitted squad of 23. (hope I have that right)[/quote]
Pretty much. Guest players don't count towards either the salary cap or the squad.
I'm guessing it depends on the contract they have with McKain. If there's no de-marquee clause, it could be difficult to get him off marquee status (just because it would require a new contract and stuff. I think...
[QUOTE=hepatitis]And would that then leave us with the option of picking up a marquee - Fred - for the rest of the season?
Pretty much. Guest players don't count towards either the salary cap or the squad.
At the end of Freds guest stint we will have only 21 players. If Mckains salary isnt so large and combined with the others it fits under the cap for 23 players, can he then be officially demarqued?
I'm guessing it depends on the contract they have with McKain. If there's no de-marquee clause, it could be difficult to get him off marquee status (just because it would require a new contract and stuff. I think...
[QUOTE=hepatitis]And would that then leave us with the option of picking up a marquee - Fred - for the rest of the season?
Yup. Iff McKain can get de-marqued though.
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and who the hell knows how much of the cap is left? There's nothing to say it has been used up on 21 players, or that Fred would fit with what is available.
Fair to say we'll be Fredless after the 28th.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/4796405a1823.html
Phoenix fans have seen the last of Fred this season but the club hopes to lure the Brazilian star back next year.
Fred, who was on a six-game contract with the Phoenix, flew back to Brazil following the sudden death of his father last week.
The midfield playmaker missed Saturday's 1-1 draw with Perth and will also miss tomorrow night's home clash with Central Coast and the December 28 trip to Queensland the last game of his six-game contract.
Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata said fellow Brazilian Daniel had spoken with Fred, while the club was dealing with the player's agent.
"At this stage Fred's first and foremost thoughts are with his family, his mum and his brothers," Pignata said.
"I'm not expecting him back ... his contract ends at the Queensland game on the 28th and at this stage we're not expecting Fred back and we're okay with that decision."
Pignata said the "game by game" nature of Fred's contract meant the club was not paying for nothing and he didn't expect Fred to demand money for the games he missed.
"It wasn't as if we had to outlay a lot of money," he said.
"We haven't even sat down and spoken money and I'm pretty sure that he's not going to come back to us and say `well hang on, I should be getting this and that'."
Pignata said Fred had "loved" his time in Wellington and was hopeful of a return next season. "I'm not sure in what capacity, whether it's fulltime or another guest appearance, but I'm pretty sure he'd love to come back," he said.
The Phoenix are also in contract negotiations with goalkeeper Mark Paston this week and continue to search for strikers in preparation for Shane Smeltz's move to the Gold Coast next season.
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quote from above >> Pignata said Fred had "loved" his time in Wellington and was hopeful of a return next season. "I'm not sure in what capacity, whether it's fulltime or another guest appearance, but I'm pretty sure he'd love to come back," he said. <<
i doubt it is likely, but i'd be delighted if we could get him back in more than a guest role, and also keen even if another 6 match was all we could get
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,,,only problem is that every other A League club now knows that he might be up for grabs next season.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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,,,only problem is that every other A League club now knows that he might be up for grabs next season.
hopefully he might feel slightly obliged to come back after leaving us. Bit of guilt if we just miss out on playoffs haha
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I'm going to be sorry for the following...
For an immediate family member the employee is allowed five days bereavement leave.
Back to work.. Fred
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hopefully he might feel slightly obliged to come back after leaving us.
Just like he felt obliged to go back to Victree on his return to the A-league.
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I think we can safely assume he'll feel obliged to go to whoever waves the biggest cheque in front of his face..
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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We shouldn't talk about the guy like this considering the guys personal circumstances. His Dad died, its unfortunate and it sucks for the Phoenix but it happens.
Saying things like 'if we miss out he might feel guilty' or '5 days bereavement and back to work' shows a lack of tact and empathy, funny or not.
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Saying things like 'if we miss out he might feel guilty' or '5 days bereavement and back to work' shows a lack of tact and empathy, funny or not.
Agreed.
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We shouldn't talk about the guy like this considering the guys personal circumstances. His Dad died, its unfortunate and it sucks for the Phoenix but it happens.
Saying things like 'if we miss out he might feel guilty' or '5 days bereavement and back to work' shows a lack of tact and empathy, not funny.
Updated.
E + R + O
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I meant whether they were trying to be funny or not.
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Agent 47
I wasn't trying to be funny, life goes on.I'm sure his father was proud of his son playing football..
Dino102008-12-18 15:20:11
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under these circumsatces, there is a huge difference between leaving your family and going to work on a bus and being back home at night and travelling to a job thousands of miles away
have a think dino
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Agent 47
I wasn't trying to be funny, life goes on.I'm sure his father was proud of his son playing football..
Maybe not but you hit 'prat' sqaure on the head.
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it is obvious Dino has too much time on his hands with comments like that :S
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I think we can safely assume he'll feel obliged to go to whoever waves the biggest cheque in front of his face..
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Well, he might be thankful that Phoenix have treated him well and haven't insisted he comes back or anything, so maybe he will be willing to listen to offers for next season? Stranger things have happened...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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