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Halberg Awards

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You know it's just rugby fans when they bring up the All Blacks as the "should have been winner" - If winning is all that it's about then the Black Ferns should have won team of the year. But they weren't even nominated.
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Luis Garcia wrote:
You know it's just rugby fans when they bring up the All Blacks as the "should have been winner" - If winning is all that it's about then the Black Ferns should have won team of the year. But they weren't even nominated.


Yeah - weird that. The only team I think that should of won it over the All Whites was not even nominated.

It's a shame, but I think the cause of all the angst is that people feel threatened by rival codes. More people play football, so with many recent sucesses in the sport in New Zealand rugbyheads do see football as a challenge. When rubgy is such a cornerstone of our country's culture, you can understand the angst. League fans see rugby as always keeping their sport down, and netball fans see all male dominated sports keeping their sport down.

As for us football fans - we are possibly the most insecure. Call our sport soccer and we freak out. I think this stems from constantly having to defend our sport in this country, mainly from homophobic taunts - simply because it has less contact than rugby. I'd elaborate but I have to go!

Some gross simplifications there (I don't feel like writing an essay!) but I think the gist of the above is true.

Alright, see you all in Welly, I'm going for a long drive!
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Dick Tayler and all those who say the Halberg awards shouldn't be about rewarding mediocrity are absolutely right.

That's why I'm glad that this year's Halbergs have finally stopped celebrating New Zealand's "success" in mediocre sports like rugby, netball and rowing that barely register as a blip on the world radar.

I don't want my kids growing up thinking that if you can't win at something that matters then you should just give up and do something easier, which is the message they have been getting up until now.


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Has Dick told us who he did vote for yet?
 
I get the feeling he did'nt vote for the AW's.
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Jeez, Dick Taylor didnt like the Tall Blacks getting the award when they got 4th in the world champs, which I thought was massive for them.

Nah didnt win, not good enough.

Maybe yours should be taken back Dick, because you didnt win the Olympics

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I bet if the all blacks won the rugby world cup and the all whites came second in the football world cup (lol i know how ridiculous this is), hed still give it to the all blacks.
EDIT: also it pisses me off when people say the all whites got it for participation. If the went to the world cup and got demolished three times then i wouldnt want them to win eitherthreat2011-02-12 09:16:27
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Revel wrote:
[The All White's results are compared to Georgia making the quarter finals of the Rugby World Cup. Surely the odds of this are slimmer than the All Blacks winning it. And yet when did this last happen?


..and if that happened wouldn't everyone jump on board the underdog wagon and have Georgia as their second favorite team ? Marvelling at how they have over-achieved against the odds.

As for Disk-Wad Tayler - i reckon he jumped before he was pushed ? Probably too much of a knob-head for the Halberg Trust. (Just a thought)
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Joining Taylor in the home should be Margret Forster's (ex-silver fern) who commented that the
 
only highlight of the All-Whites was "that dude Reid taking his shirt off"...imagine the outrage
 
from the sisterhood if a similiar comment had been made about the netballers rolling around on
 
the court as the only highlight of their Commonwealth Games win.
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terminator_x wrote:


I don't want my kids growing up thinking that if you can't win at something that matters then you should just give up and do something easier, which is the message they have been getting up until now.


   If Dick Tayler's resignation is used as a role model they're still getting that message. Product2011-02-12 10:10:38
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It just all proves that when it comes to football a lot of NZers just don't get it. They seem to want NZ to be a country that's really good at sports nobody else take seriously. What's the point of that?

And to those who keep pushing netball, think about this. NZ was always going to win either a gold or silver at the Commonwealth Games,nothing less and I can't think of any other sport that could guarantee that situation. No-one else plays it, so if you want to support a code that can only give you a couple of decent international fixtures per year, then go ahead and I hope you enjoy the excitement.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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All this commotion makes me wonder what will happen if the Rugby world cup is not won?Will NZ implode.
Thankfully i will be far away.
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TheJam wrote:

It just all proves that when it comes to football a lot of NZers just don't get it. They seem to want NZ to be a country that's really good at sports nobody else take seriously. What's the point of that?


And to those who keep pushing netball, think about this. NZ was always going to win either a gold or silver at the Commonwealth Games,nothing less and I can't think of any other sport that could�guarantee that situation. No-one else plays it, so if you want to support a code that can�only give you a couple of decent international fixtures per year, then go ahead and I hope you enjoy the excitement.

Women's shot put. And she still got the award. Personally would have gone Nikki Hamlin, who finished second twice in quality fields. Nick Willis probably deserved more attention than he got for Finishing third in one of the few commonwealth events to have a quality international field. Instead he got rubbished. Bloody blinkered nz sports 'fans'Leeds_Chris2011-02-12 11:37:19
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luis garcia re the black ferns, i absolutely agree

if the complainants talking about who should've won ahead of the AWs are really claiming it's about solely winning matches/tournaments of importance then surely the order would go;
 
black ferns
silver ferns
kiwis
rowers
all blacks
 
b.ferns and s.ferns both won four-yearly events thus carrying more weight right?
you could argue for the grand slam but it's not an official trophy or anything, and the trinations/bledisloe are on every year - in other sports, annual events like those dont carry names as they aren't important enough. In fact, in football we call them friendlies......
 
if it's about exceeding expectations and contributing to nz's sporting environment as a whole (which it is?) then i would think it's clearly the AWs followed by the kiwis......
paulm2011-02-12 11:45:16
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terminator_x wrote:
Dick Tayler and all those who say the Halberg awards shouldn't be about rewarding mediocrity are absolutely right.

That's why I'm glad that this year's Halbergs have finally stopped celebrating New Zealand's "success" in mediocre sports like rugby, netball and rowing that barely register as a blip on the world radar.

I don't want my kids growing up thinking that if you can't win at something that matters then you should just give up and do something easier, which is the message they have been getting up until now.


 
The challenge we want, and love
 
By Stevo
 
"We entered the World Cup not because it�s easy, but because it�s hard."
 
This Kennedyesque observation defines the reason why the 2010 WC gripped and captivated New Zealanders across the land, or at least all of those who give a pittance about sport.

It is why football � still soccer to most � must be recognised and embraced as the world�s most important game, even by those New Zealanders who don�t much like it.

We all now know that, by that definition, this game�s pinnacle prize, the World Cup, is the hardest in sport to win or even come close to winning or to even just to compete.

And we want to compete. We want to, badly.

Thanks to some quirky turns in our social history, in the second half of the 19th Century we botched it when we came to some forks in the road and, unlike most other nations, chose to embrace sports which many decades later were found to be internationally irrelevant.

In these sports, primarily the rugby sports and netball, we at various times became unbeatable as a nation.

And we rejoiced in that. But then, relatively recently, the penny suddenly dropped: being an elite nation in these things was a bit too easy. We wanted to compete in something harder, something in which the whole planet actually competes, and that �harder� could only mean football and its World Cup.

7 months ago, after New Zealand surged and fought its way into the World Cup, our politicians began to talk about ticker-tape parades for our boys in the capital.  Some scoffed, including some within the football community.  But the notion that we should so celebrate a New Zealand team for finishing an international tournament without winning a match (albeit undefeated) does tell you much about our desperate need to achieve in this race of monumental global relevance.

It�s a challenge we now love more than any other, not because it�s easy but because it�s hard.

Thankfully our players, and their coach, now know this. This was not the group that trekked to Spain in 1982 as a brave and heroic bunch, sweetly and correctly buoyed by having made it.

This lot, which makes a living from football professionally, and to whom pressures of expectation are an everyday thing, now has the belief in its capacity to challenge all comers.

As a national football team, New Zealand shed its complexes during June 2010, ever since its best players emerged out of the World Cup undefeated. It now has a faith added to a desire, as its efforts against that mogul nation, Italy, testifies.

And despite the cynics, pessimists and skeptics who still abound among us of course, we too should share and celebrate in this faith discovered during those two weeks of June 2010.  For when New Zealand does qualify next for the world's gr8est stage, our opponents should and will be aware.

Stevo2011-02-12 15:30:35
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paulm wrote:

luis garcia re the black ferns, i absolutely agree


if the complainants talking about who should've won ahead of the AWs are really claiming it's about solely winning matches/tournaments of importance then surely the order would go;

�

black ferns

silver ferns

kiwis

rowers

all blacks

�

b.ferns and s.ferns both won four-yearly events thus carrying more weight right?

you could argue for the grand slam but it's not an official trophy or anything, and the trinations/bledisloe are on every year -�in other sports, annual�events like those dont carry names as they aren't important enough. In fact, in football we call them friendlies......

�

if it's about exceeding expectations and contributing to nz's sporting environment as a whole (which it is?) then i would think it's clearly the AWs followed by the kiwis......


Well put.
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TheJam wrote:

It just all proves that when it comes to football a lot of NZers just don't get it. They seem to want NZ to be a country that's really good at sports nobody else take seriously. What's the point of that?

And to those who keep pushing netball, think about this. NZ was always going to win either a gold or silver at the Commonwealth Games,nothing less and I can't think of any other sport that could guarantee that situation. No-one else plays it, so if you want to support a code that can only give you a couple of decent international fixtures per year, then go ahead and I hope you enjoy the excitement.
Exactly. So (going by winning logic of dick) the netballers only really won 1 game.

Allegedly

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Stevo wrote:


The challenge we want, and love
 
By Stevo
 
"We entered the World Cup not because it�s easy, but because it�s hard."

<snip>
 
And despite the cynics, pessimists and skeptics who still abound among us of course, we too should share and celebrate in this faith discovered during those two weeks of June 2010.  For when New Zealand does qualify next for the world's gr8est stage, our opponents should and will be aware.



I've suddenly gone all misty eyed... are you a professional editorial writer? Cause you should be
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from the nix facebook page -

Dylon Walsh i cant believe you soccer douches won the halberg award.. football is a joke!! Rugby is the only sport worthy of suporting!! ps get the off the huricanes field. Its a joke that you won the halberg award, you didnt even win a game.
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Thumbs up for Steve Tew said he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about and he had no problems with the All Whites winning.
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George Kostanza wrote:
from the nix facebook page -

Dylon Walsh i cant believe you soccer douches won the halberg award.. football is a joke!! Rugby is the only sport worthy of suporting!! ps get the off the huricanes field. Its a joke that you won the halberg award, you didnt even win a game.

Firstly, lol.

But on that 'Hurricanes field' yarn - In Westpac Stadium's tenth year a selection of board members and staff voted for the top ten events in it's history. Of the ten events two of them were rugby [one Hurricanes'] games, one Sevens and THREE of the events were football games.

Edinburgh Tattoo, March 2000
Rugby Sevens Tournament, February 2003
Rugby Test NZ vs British and Irish Lions, July 2005

Rolling Stones Concert, April 2006
Super 14 Semi Final Hurricanes vs NSW Waratahs, May 2006
Football Phoenix vs LA Galaxy, December 2007
AC/DC Concert, January 2010
Cricket T20 NZ vs India, February 2009
Football World Cup Qualifier All Whites vs Bahrain, November 2009
A-League Play-off Phoenix vs Newcastle Jets, March 2010

In no order of rank but the Bahrain game was acknowledged by almost all voters as the best event in the history of the stadium. That's pretty cool.

I really don't like the Rugby vs Football debate and I won't spark a debate but I will defend football if I can be f**ked.

Fuck this stupid game

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IBTL.
E + R + O

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The right decision was made, if people can't appreciate what the All Whites have done in terms of NZ sport, you're clearly still in the 60's end of.CboZ2011-02-12 14:56:32
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HALBERG JUDGES

Former sportspeople and administrators: Andy Dalton, Anna Rowberry, Danyon Loader, Debbie Hockley, Dick Tayler, Farah Palmer, Graeme Crosby, Hamish Carter, Howie Tamati, Jayne Kiely, Mark Sorenson, Mike Stanley, Philippa Baker Hogan, Rachael Henderson, Ramesh Patel, Ron Cheatley, Ron Palenski, Steve Gurney. Journalists: Andy Hay, Brendan Telfer, Daniel Gilhooly, David Leggat, Howard Dobson, Jonathan Millmow, Kevin Tutty, Mark Richardson, Peter Montgomery, Richard Becht.


be interesting to see who voted for who.

oh and IBTL
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Dobson voted for the All Whites. Telfer voted for the All Blacks.

That's 2 less to wonder about.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Dobson voted for the All Whites. Telfer voted for the All Blacks.That's 2 less to wonder about.


And Telfer admitted he had a tough time deciding between the two, and also voted for Nelsen over McCaw.
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Siggy. Fair to say he'd have revved up some people with his words on 3 News tonight.

Fuck this stupid game

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Interesting that 3 have the Phoenix up top in the sports news... be interesting to see what one do.

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My tuppence worth.. Establishment figures like Deaker et al (pale, male and stale) are a symbol of old New Zealand when rugby was all embracing. They can't stand the fact that the world they knew and loved is passing and fading away before their very eyes. Talk about raging before the dying of the light! Anyway, their world, mercifully, is no more. History is on our side, not theirs.

I can't believe that Taylor could behave so childishly and like a sore, childish loser. There are a dozen different ways he could have handled this and yet chose the most immature and petulant way do so. Destroyed his reputation in my eyes.

And as someone said upthread, I almost wish the All Blacks lose (again) in the quarter-final. Hate myself for thinking that, having had my heart broken so many times (well, three times) by the All Blacks. But geez, these old farts really make me angry.

Time for another beer.....

Hey you bastards I'm still here.

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Siggy. Fair to say he'd have revved up some people with his words on 3 News tonight.


missed it will hunt their website

go Siggy!!
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TopLeft07 wrote:
Siggy. Fair to say he'd have revved up some people with his words on 3 News tonight.


Any chance of a summary? I'm too lazy to go and find the interview

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I'd say it's a only a vocal minority of rugby boof-heads who are kicking up a stink.  Tall about sore losers.  They are likely the same ones who were rubbishing the AW's before the world cup with common criticisms of easy qualifying (I'd reckon the all-blacks front-row would struggle in the heat of Bahrain after the 1st 20 minutes.), won't get a point in group play, will be thrashed in every game, etc, etc. 
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Jag wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Siggy. Fair to say he'd have revved up some people with his words on 3 News tonight.


Any chance of a summary? I'm too lazy to go and find the interview


Siggie pointed out that NZ doesn't even have to qualify for the rugby union and league World Cups, and "how global is it? what are you up against?"

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Doloras wrote:
Siggie pointed out that NZ doesn't even have to qualify for the rugby union and league World Cups, and "how global is it? what are you up against?"

Its true. Even basketball or hockey have more global competition than rugby and league... combined.
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Basketball is the 2nd most global sport behind football.
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George Kostanza wrote:
HALBERG JUDGES

Former sportspeople and administrators: Andy Dalton, Anna Rowberry, Danyon Loader, Debbie Hockley, Dick Tayler, Farah Palmer, Graeme Crosby, Hamish Carter, Howie Tamati, Jayne Kiely, Mark Sorenson, Mike Stanley, Philippa Baker Hogan, Rachael Henderson, Ramesh Patel, Ron Cheatley, Ron Palenski, Steve Gurney.
 
Journalists: Andy Hay, Brendan Telfer, Daniel Gilhooly, David Leggat, Howard Dobson, Jonathan Millmow, Kevin Tutty, Mark Richardson, Peter Montgomery, Richard Becht.


be interesting to see who voted for who.

oh and IBTL
Out of the list of journos, I'd give Richardson the most credibility. The rest - well....
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Jonathon Millmow... I'm sure he would have voted AWs. And Ricki.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Lonegunmen wrote:
George Kostanza wrote:
HALBERG JUDGES Former sportspeople and administrators: Andy Dalton, Anna Rowberry, Danyon Loader, Debbie Hockley, Dick Tayler, Farah Palmer, Graeme Crosby, Hamish Carter, Howie Tamati, Jayne Kiely, Mark Sorenson, Mike Stanley, Philippa Baker Hogan, Rachael Henderson, Ramesh Patel, Ron Cheatley, Ron Palenski, Steve Gurney.
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Journalists: Andy Hay, Brendan Telfer, Daniel Gilhooly, David Leggat, Howard Dobson, Jonathan Millmow, Kevin Tutty, Mark Richardson, Peter Montgomery, Richard Becht. be interesting to see who voted for who. oh and IBTL


Out of the list of journos, I'd give Richardson the most credibility. The rest -�well....


Andy Dalton - sport?
Anna Rowberry - netball
Danyon Loader - swimmer
Debbie Hockley - cricket?
Dick Taylor - running and now resigned
Farah Palmer - rugby?
Graeme Crosby - ?
Hamish Carter - triathlete
Howie Tamati - ?
Jayne Kiely - longjumper?
mark sorenson - softball
mike stanley - ?
Phillipa Baker Hogan -
Rachael Henderson - ?
Ramesh Patel - hockey
Ron Cheatley - ?
Ron Palenski ?
Steve Gurney - triathlete

as for the journalist's I've never heard of Andy Hay, Daniel Gilhooly, David Leggat, Kevin Tutty or Richard Becht.

can anyone else fill in the gaps of what sports they were associated with?
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Dalton - Rugby
Crosby - Motor Cycle racing
Tamati - league
Cheatley - Cycling
Baker - Triahthlon
Hockley is cricket.
Kiely is Athletics
Hard News2011-02-13 01:06:25

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Cheers HN, so I reckon since Dick has resigned, that his spot be given to Steve Sumner, maybe it's time for football to have some representation.


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If we get a chance today...a ALL WHITE chant may go down well for Dick Taylor....
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