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  He went for the All Blacks.  FFS.
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"Nothing would give me gr8er pleasure than to see football surge and make inroads into the national game".
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Thx Telfer.  So I'm "demented", "twisted" and "imbecilic".  You gonzo, egg, and moron.  I just feel sorry for the children that's all.
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10 minutes to get your vote in

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All Whites team of the year? Don't make me laugh

Posted by Mike Kilpatrick - 47 minutes ago

Apparently the All Whites are favourite to be named Team of the Year at the Halberg Awards tonight. And if the latest rumours are to be believed Ryan Nelsen could well take out Sportsman of the Year.

If that happens the Halberg judges should bow their heads in shame. And I'm saying this as a massive football fan.

I have no problems if Winston Reid's 93rd minute equaliser against Slovakia in South Africa is named the nation's favourite sporting moment of 2010.

That goal captured the imagination of the nation and helped propel Reid from footballing obscurity to a contract with West Ham.

But now the hype of the World Cup is over can we really look at what the All Whites achieved last June in the cold, harsh light of day?

They achieved nothing. Unbeaten at a World Cup? So what. The All Whites still didn't qualify for the group stages.

Us Scotland fans have been holding on to meaningless crap like that for years. After we beat eventual runners-up the Nederlands in 1978 we convinced ourselves we were good enough to have won the trophy.

Instead we became the first team to go out of the World Cup on goal difference. And that's nothing to celebrate.

And has the world sat up and taken notice of New Zealand football since those glorious winter days? Nope. New Zealand continues to sit in the meaningless Oceania Conference with the rest of the footballing non-elite doing nothing while the major teams are playing against each other.

Don't get me wrong - the All Whites did well against Bahrain to get to the World Cup. But effectively all they had to do was play well for two games to get there - the rest of the qualifying was a joke.

A third division team in England could have beaten some of the guff New Zealand played to get into the play-off.  All the while teams like the Czech Republic, Norway, Sweden, Ireland, Russia and Croatia - all better teams than the All Whites - had to play other major nations and ultimately missed out.

And arguably the greatest result in New Zealand's World Cup history - the 1-1 draw against Italy - has to be put in perspective.

Yes, they were the reigning World Champions. But they were dreadful. Full of players past their best and unwilling to do anything but cheat to try and win a game.

And Rikki Herbert as coach of the year? Please.

Herbert deserves some kudos for getting the All Whites there. But the Phoenix this season have been mediocre and may just get into the playoffs.

And the All Whites, when they needed to win their last game against Paraguay in South Africa, looked like they were playing for a draw.

A more adventurous coach may have lost that game - but at least they would have given it a good shot. As it was the All Whites never looked like winning the last match.

Gordon Tietjens - who continues to make superstars out of unknowns - or Graham Henry - who turned the All Blacks around within the space of 12 months - ultimately had a much better year.

Of course you could choose to ignore my lifetime of watching football and decide I'm just a hater. Or just jealous.

Am I jealous New Zealand was at the World Cup and Scotland couldn't qualify? Of course I am.

But if Scotland had qualified for the World Cup and been eliminated in the first round (as we would invariably have been) I wouldn't be pretending it was a great achievement.

And if you look at the overall results from the year I make it that the All Whites played 10 games in 2010. They won once, drew four times and lost five times. Hardly award material!

Team of the year has to go to the All Blacks. Not only did they win 13 out of their 14 games against the best teams in the world they did so by completely turning around their form from 2009 and playing a brand of rugby few could keep up with.

This was recognised by the Laureus Awards - a much higher honour than the Halberg Awards - when they were named a finalist in the team category.

Ultimately they were beaten by Spain. You know, the team that actually won the World Cup.

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Hard News wrote:
Yawn.
 
^ This.
 
What a bizarre article. Strangely enough, I'm Scottish and I DO think what the All Whites did was a massive achievement and should get them the Team Of the Year award.
 
I wonder if he included Scotland and Wales in the best teams in the World that the All Blacks beat?
 
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Thats it!
 
I'm inventing a sport that nobody else plays and winning the damn Halbergs by winning 13 out of 14 games,or by winning my world championship every year (with most of the good players dropping out to focus on the olympics - oh yeah i plan to push for it to be an olympic sport - we'll make it on the beach,so it has appeal like beach volleyball)
 
Who wants to be in the team and win a Halberg next year?

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Only if it involves Maria Tutaia.
Junior822011-02-10 12:43:10

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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that guy should fark off back to Scotland

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Feverish wrote:
that guy should fark off back to Scotland
 
Nope. I'm staying here

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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The reaction to whoever wins is going to be unbearable.

Leopards are not going to change their spots overnight.

Note to self: Avoid sports discussions, opinion pieces etc for next wee while.

I know, I know, its serious!

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It'll make anything less than a 6-0 win home win seem like that you mean

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
when are the halbergs announced?
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paulm wrote:
when are the halbergs announced?
Whenever it's most convenient for the Silver Ferns
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I'm OK with us not winning team of the year if we don't - we didn't make the second round. If we do, that's great, as it still probably is the biggest sporting achievement of the year for a team.

If Ryan Nelson doesn't win the overall Halberg of the year however, that would be a travesty.
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LOL

"A third division team in England could have beaten some of the guff New Zealand played to get into the play-off."

Shame their #1 national team couldn't do as well as us.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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If the All Whites dont win everything you will be able to hear Brettdale explode all around NZ. I almost hope it happens for that reason alone.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
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Footpaul wrote:
Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport.


Tennis isn't a world sport anymore?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
Can you tell me where anything to do with the Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument a little  easily.
 
The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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Buffon II wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport.


Tennis isn't a world sport anymore?


Damn! I thought my logic was sound! Ok, how about team sport? Does that work?
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bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
Can you tell me where anything to do with the Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument a little  easily.
 
The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.
Yeah but on the other side of the fence, people tend to jump to the "the all whites didn't win the football world cup" too quickly also.
 
I think arguing the other extreme is equally as wrong,but it does help with a little perspective. There is a middle ground.

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bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
Can you tell me where anything to do with the Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument a little  easily.
 
The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.


I know that is not a criteria, I just think a team's achievements are only as good as their opposition. And netball/league/rugby proponents turn to the fact their teams were crowned champions in competitions. At the end of the day the Kiwis and Silver Ferns only came up against stiff opposition from the Aussies. For the All Blacks, they had to beat the Springboks and Wallabies - which they do most years.

Otherwise Tegal's "let's just create a sport thing" is a sure fire way to at least get nominated! (I'm in, by the way!)



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Tegal wrote:
bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
Can you tell me where anything to do with the Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument a little  easily.
 
The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.
Yeah but on the other side of the fence, people tend to jump to the "the all whites didn't win the football world cup" too quickly also.
 
I think arguing the other extreme is equally as wrong,but it does help with a little perspective. There is a middle ground.
Agree completely mate. I would put myself in the middle ground, I dont really care who wins tonight..... as long as it isn't the rowers.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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bopman wrote:
I dont really care who wins tonight..... as long as it isn't the rowers.


This!

The only award that has to be awarded is best sportsman to Ryan Nelsen. He deserves the recognition because he has been fantastic for many years and without him, you can forget the other All Whites nominations.
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Footpaul wrote:
bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.

Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.

If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.
Can you tell me where anything to do with the Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument a little  easily.
 
The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.


I know that is not a criteria, I just think a team's achievements are only as good as their opposition. And netball/league/rugby proponents turn to the fact their teams were crowned champions in competitions. At the end of the day the Kiwis and Silver Ferns only came up against stiff opposition from the Aussies. For the All Blacks, they had to beat the Springboks and Wallabies - which they do most years.

Otherwise Tegal's "let's just create a sport thing" is a sure fire way to at least get nominated! (I'm in, by the way!)



I dont really want to get into the All Black thing but im bored at work so I will anyway. Its a bit rough to say they only had to beat the Boks and the Wallabies, both of those teams were beaten by Northern Hemisphere sides last year on more than one occasion who we managed to put away completely.
 
I also have an analogy that I want to test here because it will get its most hostile reaction right here.
 
Imagine a world where Football is played really competitively by 12-13 international sides and the rest are an absolute mile back.
 
Lets say Spain this year played; Brazil three times (Aussie), The Dutch three times(The Saffas) and Argentina once (England). They then play England, USA, and Ghana(Wales, Ireland, Scotland). 15-16 games across a season and lose only one of them. Is that not still a pretty good acheivement?
 
My argument is essentially that the All Blacks are playing good sides in comparison to them 14-15 times in a season and last year only lost one of those games? If Spain played comparitively the same teams 14-15 times in  a season and lost only one game wouldn't it be crowned as miraculous?
 
Begin the ridicule now.....

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Yet you read the thread  so not over it completely

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What do the winners get? A year's supply of bread?
I like tautologies because I like them.
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bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
bopman wrote:
Footpaul wrote:
I'm all for people having opinions, but some people should just keep them to themselves.Any sport where it is an upset if number three beats number one in the world is hardly a world sport. So that counts out netball and league. Even rugby, where number five beating number one is an upset, is hardly a world sport. While I enjoyed each of their performances, what the All Blacks, Kiwis and Silver Ferns achieved was insignificant compared to the All Whites. Outside of these borders hardly anyone cared.If you want to be a sports reporter you need to know there is more to sports than rugby. I think a few of sports journos could do with a trip outside of our borders.


Can you tell me where�anything to do with the�Halbergs says anything about being a world sport? Not that I dont disagree, but I think football people tend to turn to the only 5 countries play that game argument�a little� easily.
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The All Blacks did get nominated as a finalist at the Laureus Awards last week which most people tend to treat as credible.
I know that is not a criteria, I just think a team's achievements are only as good as their opposition. And netball/league/rugby proponents turn to the fact their teams were crowned champions in competitions. At the end of the day the Kiwis and Silver Ferns only came up against stiff opposition from the Aussies. For the All Blacks, they had to beat the Springboks and Wallabies - which they do most years.Otherwise Tegal's "let's just create a sport thing" is a sure fire way to at least get nominated! (I'm in, by the way!)


I dont really want to get into the All Black thing but im bored at work so I will anyway. Its a bit rough to say they only had to beat the Boks and the Wallabies, both of those teams were beaten by Northern Hemisphere sides last year on more than one occasion who we managed to put away completely.
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I also have an analogy that I want to test here because it will get its most hostile reaction right here.

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Imagine a world where Football is played really�competitively by 12-13 international sides and the rest are an absolute mile back.

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Lets say Spain this year played; Brazil three times (Aussie), The Dutch three times(The Saffas) and Argentina once (England). They then play England, USA, and Ghana(Wales, Ireland, Scotland). 15-16 games across a season and lose only one of them. Is that not still a pretty good acheivement?

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My argument is essentially that the All Blacks are playing good sides in comparison to them 14-15 times in a season and last year only lost one of those games? If Spain played comparitively the same teams 14-15 times in� a season and lost only one game wouldn't it be crowned as miraculous?

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Begin the ridicule now.....


Croatia's lost only 4 games since the World Cup in 2006, is that miraculous too?


PS. Not trying to argue, just wanted to throw it out there.

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el grapadura wrote:
Croatia's lost only 4 games since the World Cup in 2006, is that miraculous too?


With Kranjcar in the team, yes.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Red carpet fail? At least they're having a go I suppose.
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bopman wrote:
 
Imagine a world where Football is played really competitively by 12-13 international sides and the rest are an absolute mile back.
 
Lets say Spain this year played; Brazil three times (Aussie), The Dutch three times(The Saffas) and Argentina once (England). They then play England, USA, and Ghana(Wales, Ireland, Scotland). 15-16 games across a season and lose only one of them. Is that not still a pretty good acheivement?
 
 
this is an interesting piece of logic, i like it
however the scarcity of points on offer in football, even when one side is dominant, makes the draw or the upset far more likely than in a game of rugby
 
im not getting involved in the rugby v fitba debate, just saying
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The Halbergs are such a joke.

They've just inducted Bill Bailey into the Hall of Fame.



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bopman wrote:

Imagine a world where Football is played really competitively by 12-13 international sides and the rest are an absolute mile back.
 
Lets say Spain this year played; Brazil three times (Aussie), The Dutch three times(The Saffas) and Argentina once (England). They then play England, USA, and Ghana(Wales, Ireland, Scotland). 15-16 games across a season and lose only one of them. Is that not still a pretty good acheivement?
not really. a sport where you have 11 competitors world wide? hardly a sport.

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terminator_x wrote:
The Halbergs are such a joke.They've just inducted Bill Bailey into the Hall of Fame.


He did make some funny all whites jokes at his Wellington gig in June... Hall of fame though...
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To be fair the All Blacks have historically not done as well as they should have at the Halbergs considering the prevalence of the 'sport' in NZ
its the f**ken rowing that kills me
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