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How's this helping NZ football?

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AngusBeef wrote:
Bluemagic, the Team Wellington vs Auckalnd City match on 14 Nov didn't attract heaps of spectators was because it was deemed to be a low quality and boring game.


You won't get much better in terms of quality in NZ football outside of the Phoenix. Perhaps we should just abandon the National League and have nothing if no one is going to turn up.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Bluemagic wrote:
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
 
I'm giving you ideas and trying to get you to think about them. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm trying to make you think from a different point of view about something big and important. And it is not all bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap you've thrown at me!


I think that's a bit unfair actually, as well as being a bit condescending. If you have been copping abuse you've only got yourself to blame.

Yes, this was a topic worth discussing and yes, you have made some good points, but you haven't helped yourself by being so damned dogmatic.

In amongst the "bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap" there have been plenty of other excellent points made but you have largely chosen to ignore or side-step them. Instead you seem to prefer butting heads where you think you can score some cheap points and stick to your rather narrowly defined agenda. And when you're really struggling you throw out some emotional, heart on the sleeve stuff about sticking up for the underdog blah blah. Perhaps as a journalist you picked up some tips from Winston Peters who has a similar M.O.?

Anyway, I've enjoyed this debate but like you I'm over it now. All the best to everyone at ACFC and if things pan out like I hope we'll see you in the A-League in a few years time - both chasing those ACL spots with 6 or 7 Kiwis on each side!





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Bluemagic wrote:
Some of you will remember when Rufer took the Kingz (a friggin' Auckland club playing in a lower profile comp than the A-League) down to Wellington and 13,000 turned up for an essentially Kiwi side with imports. We were mighty impressed, I can tell you. See, having Kiwi players isn't such a turn-off.
 
Nobody said that playing New Zealand players would turn people off. Don't be rediculous. But if we started picking most of the starting 11 based on nationality instead of form and quality, then I don't think we'd be all that successful. We wouldn't meet the expectations of the owner (who has helped NZ football enormously), let alone the expectations of New Zealand football fans / general public.
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terminator_x wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
 
I'm giving you ideas and trying to get you to think about them. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm trying to make you think from a different point of view about something big and important. And it is not all bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap you've thrown at me!


I think that's a bit unfair actually, as well as being a bit condescending. If you have been copping abuse you've only got yourself to blame.

Yes, this was a topic worth discussing and yes, you have made some good points, but you haven't helped yourself by being so damned dogmatic.

In amongst the "bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap" there have been plenty of other excellent points made but you have largely chosen to ignore or side-step them. Instead you seem to prefer butting heads where you think you can score some cheap points and stick to your rather narrowly defined agenda. And when you're really struggling you throw out some emotional, heart on the sleeve stuff about sticking up for the underdog blah blah. Perhaps as a journalist you picked up some tips from Winston Peters who has a similar M.O.?

Anyway, I've enjoyed this debate but like you I'm over it now. All the best to everyone at ACFC and if things pan out like I hope we'll see you in the A-League in a few years time - both chasing those ACL spots with 6 or 7 Kiwis on each side!








Is this guy really a journalist?

EDIT: I am serious here.
ForteanTimes2010-01-16 17:51:12

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Apparently so.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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he says he is. I wonder who he slept with to get the job ?
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I think I can safely say it wasn't Terry S!!!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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I say lock the thread, as term said he made some reasonable points, but just never takes on board anything, believes he is completely right, continues to make the same points time and time again without actually really answering anyone else, which let's face is is considered spamming and bannable on a lot of forums. Also he states he is going and never does.

I'm out of this thread as I'm just not that bothered and have quite frankly not come across such an unpleasant, insightless poster in a long time. I am happy he has his opinions, but his endless broken record replies are just plain annoying. Don't even get me started on his "oh aren't  I amazing as I talked to all these people" stuff he throws in, these people are hardly Nelson Mandela or Obama and lets face it only a select few even in this country would have heard of them, but to Blue it's like he was at the signing of the Treaty of Versaille.

Although a relative newcomer to this country I think the problem with football here, is small-minded, entrenched and bitter people like Bluemagic. If you are an ok guy I'm sorry but you certainly don't come across as one.
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Bluemagic wrote:
 
 
 
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
 
 


Brought it upon yourself, and where do you get off calling other people ignorant after your misguided "I'm here to teach you guys something" attitude?
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au revoir Forest
 
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Bluemagic wrote:
Tegal wrote:

I think bluemagic is just deliberately trolling to make us think or bring up points we may not normally discuss. While he has been over the top a lot,and does seem to have an agenda and narrow minded view,you cant argue that it has made a good discussion with some good points in parts.

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You could say im...indifferent toward him,both liking and disliking.
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I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot�of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me.�

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I'm giving you ideas and trying to get you to think about them. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm trying to make you think from a different point of view about something big and important.�And it is not all bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap you've thrown at me!

Parting shots:

Some of you will remember when Rufer took�the Kingz (a friggin' Auckland club playing in a lower profile comp than the A-League)�down to Wellington and 13,000 turned up for an essentially Kiwi side with imports. We were mighty impressed, I can tell you. See, having Kiwi players isn't�such a turn-off.

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Where has anyone said that having Kiwi players is a turn off?

We'd all love to see a Phoenix team filled with Kiwis, but we're happy to let Ricki and the Phoenix make the call as to whether those players are good enough or not.

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At the Kingz all the loyal supporters who wanted to could go upstairs to the bar at the stadium afterwards and have a drink with the team bosses and players (Rufer didn't come but his brother Shane often did). It was great, you could talk to Harry Ngata (great lad) and Chris Turner (who set up the Kingz) over a beer. It was great, especially in those first two seasons before the death rattle set in. It wasn't elitist or a rich-man's-toy. To me that is what footy is about. The same thing happens each City home game at Kiwitea Street. Sometimes the clubhouse is heaving. I even like turning up at some clubnights on Thursday when they put on dinner and players come back after training and meet the fans. I've had long chats with players and club bosses about the game.

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Just out of curiosity, does that happen at the Phoenix?


Yes, it does. The players and staff are very available to the fans. Generally they make themselves available after their post-match meal at the Four Kings

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And why was it when there was a great double-header (All whites vs Bahrain and TW vs Auckland City) on offer only a few of you bothered to go to Newtown Park. All the city boys who went down made both games fine, in fact the City fans made all the noise at Newtown Park.



Very good question.

A number of locals did go and watch that game (including me).

But the reality is that there isn't a great deal of interest in Team Wellington matches.

You can't blame the Phoenix for that. Team Wellington crowds have been consistently low since day one, which pre-dates the existence of the Phoenix.

I think it's tremendous the support that Auckland City gets, but no other team in the NZFC has been able to generate that sort of following. This however, has nothing to do with the Phoenix or the A League. It has to do with a combination of factors including the quality of the league and the amount of marketing done by NZF to promote it.Smithy2010-01-16 19:25:36

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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So we should have Coombes, Haynes and more ACFC players and come last but be supporting the locals, or have the players we have, 5 regular Kiwi's starting (if counting Paston and Siggy) and be top 4?

This is our Wellington team and the Kiwis we have are good enough to be in it - and look where we are at the moment. I want quality players that will come close to, or win us the league.

Congrats to Auckland on the CWC. Well played - now go do it again, it sounds like you don't even need to qualify and that playing every year is a certainty.
Royal2010-01-16 23:28:32
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Bluemagic wrote:
Tegal wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
BlueMagic - i can't believe you were/are a journalist for football. That run-down on the game was all bullsh*t. lets be honest.

Leo the MOM ? HAHAHAHAH!! oh please. i rate McKain higher than siggy. and then that drivel about the crowd numbers..... honestly wake up. It was like 70knot winds and pouring down. I was having thoughts about not going.

and by the way - we are an Australian team based in NZ so STFU !
 
I think bluemagic is just deliberately trolling to make us think or bring up points we may not normally discuss. While he has been over the top a lot,and does seem to have an agenda and narrow minded view,you cant argue that it has made a good discussion with some good points in parts.
 
You could say im...indifferent toward him,both liking and disliking.
 
 
 
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
 
I'm giving you ideas and trying to get you to think about them. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm trying to make you think from a different point of view about something big and important. And it is not all bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap you've thrown at me!
 
 
 
Im sorry but how was i having a go? Thats exactly what i was saying. Bit confused there,because was actually trying to defend you by pointing out that you're not just being an idiot,you're just deliberately trolling to bring about discussion,with points that wouldnt normally come up. My dislike is that you seem to be too centred on wanting ACFC to succeed,but hey we're quite centred on wanting the nix to succeed (and for TW players to have a go too,we're in the same boat there too)
 
Thats all i was saying,and i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. But now im not too sure i want to continue with that stance.
Tegal2010-01-16 23:51:30

Allegedly

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YF should be selling popcorn for people to eat while reading this. It's even more crunge-enducing than The Office.
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Thread is getting long as well, anything more than 10 pages should be wound up and a new thread started.
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Why? So we can have yet another thread of roundabout arguments?
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TW suffers from one of the worst names in world football.  They'd be better off renaming themselves "Deportivo Wanka NZ".  (Becoming an affiliate of the Huancayo club in the process, I suppose.)

It would at least generate some shirt sales.
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Buffon II wrote:
Not to mention Rapid Vienna who once competed in and won the German Bundesliga.
 
Um, I think the Anschluss might have had something to do with that...

UniGoldenrods - Propping up Capital Football since 1994

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Shh, don't get in the way of our precedents.
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Stripes wrote:
TW suffers from one of the worst names in world football.� They'd be better off renaming themselves "Deportivo Wanka NZ".� (Becoming an affiliate of the Huancayo club in the process, I suppose.)It would at least generate some shirt sales.


Wanaka might want naming rights for that..

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Mossman wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Not to mention Rapid Vienna who once competed in and won the German Bundesliga.
 
Um, I think the Anschluss might have had something to do with that...


No i'm pretty sure it was to do with finishing top of the league at the end of the season.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Critical_Lemon wrote:
Why? So we can have yet another thread of roundabout arguments?


Aussies lose concentration when the number of anything reaches ten and the run out of digits.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Terminator_X made some good points back on page 18, that appear not to have been picked up on.
 
I think the original question about what is good for NZ football is a valid one.
 
I think Wgtn Phoenix have been a huge part of a current renaissance in NZ football (All Whites success and Auck City CWC succes also are part of this ressurgence).
 
But would the best for NZ football be NZ (or Oceania) moving into the Asia confederation?
 
Would that mean the issues Asia has with Wgtn Phoenix' involvement in A-league go away?  Or not?
 
What would NZ's inclusion in Asia mean for the limits on foeign players in A-league teams?
 
If NZ was in Asia, same as Australia, would that mean NZ citizens would be "home country players" same as Aussie citizens, for the purposes of the A-League?
 
Cheers,
football tragic for too long


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Antz wrote:
Terminator_X made some good points back on page 18, that appear not to have been picked up on.
 
Bluemagic has consistantly ignored everyone's good points.
You know we belong together...

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The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"

14/11/09

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Too right
You know we belong together...

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Addicks wrote:
The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"


agreed, Bluemagic really only seems to be concerned with his little Aukcland clubs....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Bluemagic wrote:
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
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[QUOTE=Bluemagic]PS   Vadar - loosen up that plastic helmet, I fear it's too tight.
 
While I've dismissed your posts as being about as sane as the piss drunk whiskey guy banging his bucket at Kiwitea so didn't take offence, you should be mindful of the words 'glasshouses' 'stones' 'throw'
 
Make a sentence.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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This whole thread was set up by an OP cleverly disguised as a Flame thread. And I shall treat it as such. I think Blue knows too well what s/he is doing. Kudos to the flaming of the forum. I am most impressed

I'm just surprised that it has been going for 10 pages so far.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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mikecj wrote:
This whole thread was set up by an OP cleverly disguised as a Flame thread. And I shall treat it as such. I think Blue knows too well what s/he is doing. Kudos to the flaming of the forum. I am most impressed

I'm just surprised that it has been going for 10 pages so far.
So's Nola. The best bet was four pages before the baying mob ran out of puff.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
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[QUOTE=Bluemagic]PS   Vadar - loosen up that plastic helmet, I fear it's too tight.
 
While I've dismissed your posts as being about as sane as the piss drunk whiskey guy banging his bucket at Kiwitea so didn't take offence, you should be mindful of the words 'glasshouses' 'stones' 'throw'
 
Make a sentence.
 
Please don't dis Bucket Man - he's a legend!
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theprof wrote:
Addicks wrote:
The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"


agreed, Bluemagic really only seems to be concerned with his little Aukcland clubs....
 
Who are now the champions of Africa apparently - oops, I said I'd stop. Darn it!
 
Any of you guys see Haynes play on Sunday - friggin' amazing, tore Otago apart.
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This 'Nola' must have underestimated how dim you were going to be.

Tore Otago apart ?  I'm amazed Chelsea aren't chasing him.


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Bluemagic wrote:
mikecj wrote:
This whole thread was set up by an OP cleverly disguised as a Flame thread. And I shall treat it as such. I think Blue knows too well what s/he is doing. Kudos to the flaming of the forum. I am most impressed I'm just surprised that it has been going for 10 pages so far.




So's Nola. The best bet was four pages before the baying mob ran out of puff.


But we're NOT a baying mob!?

I think ACFC and what they did is a massive achievement.

I just think it's sad that you guys can't be pro-Nix despite having done so well because you're too pre-occupied with being the biggest swinging dicks in town. You're letting your desire to be the most important show in NZ get in the way of what's best for the game as a whole, and that's a real shame, because what you guys are achieving is tremendous and you sully that with your small-mindedness.

Why can't we all just get along?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:

But we're NOT a baying mob!?

I think ACFC and what they did is a massive achievement.

I just think it's sad that you guys can't be pro-Nix despite having done so well because you're too pre-occupied with being the biggest swinging dicks in town. You're letting your desire to be the most important show in NZ get in the way of what's best for the game as a whole, and that's a real shame, because what you guys are achieving is tremendous and you sully that with your small-mindedness.

Why can't we all just get along?

 
 
I've tried, but careful Smithy, you'll be banned. Wish I could say you're right about the "biggest swinging dicks in town".
 
What happened there Buffon II? I knew you when you were a humble football supporter at Kiwitea Street. You haven't been learning French, have you?
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theprof wrote:
Addicks wrote:
The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"


agreed, Bluemagic really only seems to be concerned with his little Aukcland clubs....
 
 
Yeah actually NEW ZEALAND is the word your searching for...is it flooding badly down there ?? I see Baiter has crept out from under his rock....
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Bluemagic wrote:
theprof wrote:
Addicks wrote:
The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"


agreed, Bluemagic really only seems to be concerned with his little Aukcland clubs....
 
Who are now the champions of Africa apparently - oops, I said I'd stop. Darn it!
 
Any of you guys see Haynes play on Sunday - friggin' amazing, tore Otago apart.
Well do us all a favour and support your beloved Auckland team. Just dont hate on Phoenix because yr auckland players have not been selected. And we'll support our beloved Nix the best way we know how.
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What surprises me the most about this tread is.... I haven't turn email notification off, time to fix that.
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Baiter wrote:
This 'Nola' must have underestimated how dim you were going to be.Tore Otago apart ?� I'm amazed Chelsea aren't chasing him.


Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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uncloz wrote:
theprof wrote:
Addicks wrote:
The thread needs to be renamed: "How is this helping ACFC?"


agreed, Bluemagic really only seems to be concerned with his little Aukcland clubs....
 
 
Yeah actually NEW ZEALAND is the word your searching for...is it flooding badly down there ?? I see Baiter has crept out from under his rock....
 
Thanks uncloz. Yes NEW ZEALAND is the operative word. Haynes is practising hard to say "gidaaye mayte" - honest he is.
 
PS - this cantab Aaron Clapham looks promising too. As for this TW kid Draper, you should give him a game.
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