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How's this helping NZ football?

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el grapadura wrote:
Who said that Auckland City was crap? Pretty much everyone here was very happy with the success they had in the UAE, and I can't recall anyone called them a bad side.

And like I said, you keep saying that Phoenix have ignored the NZFC, when in fact quite the opposite has been the case. Like I've said, people have come in and had the opportunity to impress the Phoenix from the NZFC for all 3 years of Phoenix's existance, and there is absolutely no indication that this will not continue to be the case in the future. So just relax.

If on the other hand, you expect Ricky to sign over 15 players from the NZFC just because they're New Zealanders, then that's not going to happen since there's simply not enough quality in the NZFC for that. But the best players will always get the opportunity, just like they have so far.


Wayward, read this, please.  Take it on board and undertand that your paranoia is in the main unfounded and if you bothered to read the responses instead of whining about people being defensive you wouldn't have to spout the ill-informed views from Kiwitea St's post match knitting circle.
Hard News2010-01-12 20:09:40

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Sorry to bang on about it but the Phoenix is the only club in Nz allowed to be professional. We were talking about it at City's club night last week and there are tight restrictions placed on City about giving players money, even if they win it at the CWC. So the other seven NZFC clubs got over $100,000 each and NZ Football $450,000 (the very same amount they're investing back in the NZFC) and so this means Auckland City are essentially financing local football. All I ask is that the best local players get a fair shake of the stick. One and a half getting game time (Siggy and Costa sometimes) over three seasons doesn't look like a fair shake of the stick to me. If City was allowed to be professional then I wouldn't care if the Phoenix didn't have one kiwi player because we'd have half a dozen more Siggys playing for the mighty Blues. But we can't and if you won't then it's going to hold back local football.
 
PS - I said the same thing when the Knights were launched and Tommy Mason took the chequebook to England and came back with a whole load of aging English pros. Sean Devine anyone? It didn't work in the long run and ended in tears.
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Bluemagic wrote:
I've seen plenty of Phoenix games (albeit on the tele) and a wide selection of NZFC games and I understand the difference in class but City at their best have been damned good at times. I have also seen some below standard A-league games. What our best local players need is to be able to train professionally and they can't do that in a local league that's forced to be essentially amateur. City have the resources now to be semi-professional but they can't because of O-League rules. There are�tight restrictions on how much they can pay players. The Phoenix is the only NZ-based team that's allowed to be professional, so I do think there is a responsibility to give our best local talent that opportunity. I'm not talking about forced quotas or anything like that. The players, like Siggy, have to prove themselves on merit. But he's not a freak, just one who got a lucky break. I know the frustration of�good players who would love the chance to show their stuff to the Phoenix and don't get a chance because the NZFC is basically not on Herbert's radar. It's not fair to judge them solely on their NZFC performances because they're forced to play in an amateur league. It's hard to hold a day job then go train three nights a week and turn in the same performance as a pro who trains every day and only plays football.
Paul Posa says the reason City was able to lift their game against TP Mazembe and Al Ahi was because the club took out a mortgage and the players went to the UAE three weeks before the tournament and they trained every day like professionals. By the third week the difference in sharpness and fitness was significant and it showed in their impressive performances. Posa told us before they left they would beat the Arab team (fully professional) and catch their breath against the Mexican champions three days later and then beat the Africans champions and that's exactly what they did. "A professional attitude costs nothing' was his motto. The club took a big gamble and pulled it off, putting over $1 million back into the local game. That's why I love City so much, they're a real local footy club. I don't care if only 600 turn up, I'm going to sing my heart out for those guys, they deserve it. The next one of you guys who says they're "crap" is gonna get a visit from happy Ted!

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PS If another thousand turn up on friday just because Fowler's there I hope you guys give them the raspberry! You're there, thick and thin, or you're not a real fan!


How does a man who started off with such a pointless wind up come around to speak so much sense!

In particular I agree that there are still gems in the NZFC like Siggy.

But it's not Phoenix vs the rest. We're all in this together for the good of the NZ game. And City's contribution to that is fantastic.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Wayward,

Are you reading any of these responses ?

Because you keep covering the same ground over and over again when every point you raise has been answered. 
Hard News2010-01-12 20:13:03

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Smithy wrote:

But it's not Phoenix vs the rest. We're all in this together for the good of the NZ game. And City's contribution to that is fantastic.


Exactly. Too many Wellingtonians on here with the 'Ooooh look how much better we are than you stupid JAFAs yeah just cause you failed and are bitter aren't we great though please love us' and too many Aucklanders who come in with the 'The Phoenix are detrimental to NZ Football everyone should praise Auckland City because we're the people's club please love us'

Pathetic from both groups.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Except Buffy those two parties are tiny compared to the majority and instead of writing them off as the lunatic fringe people take it as gospel that that is how everyone thinks.

It doesn't help when people don't bother reading the responses to the points they raise.

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Buffon II wrote:

Smithy wrote:
But it's not Phoenix vs the rest. We're all in this together for the good of the NZ game. And City's contribution to that is fantastic.
Exactly. Too many Wellingtonians on here with the 'Ooooh look how much better we are than you stupid JAFAs


Please find and quote me ONE such response.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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AngusBeef, a good question. Auckland City, and it's winter feeder club Central (they're one in the same) have produced the following current squad members through local development - Ivan Vicelich, Paul Urlovich, Jason Hayne, Daniel Koprivicic, Alex Feneridis, Adam McGeorge, Milosh Nikolic, Daniel Morgan, Jacob Mathews, Chad Coombes, Sam Campbell, Rory Kelly. You may recognize some stand out performances from the recent Club World Cup. I'm sorry if you think they play low quality rugby-style football.
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Bluemagic wrote:
 
PS - I said the same thing when the Knights were launched and Tommy Mason took the chequebook to England and came back with a whole load of aging English pros. Sean Devine anyone? It didn't work in the long run and ended in tears.


I was just thinking that Paul Ifill is really a Sean Devine type of player...
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ACFC can't become professional anyway, because they're in an amatuer competition, NZF have already pointed this out in regards to having a Nix squad playing NZFC youth league. Yes the Nix are a great opportunity to develop football in NZ but they're also a club side, who's owner is paying out his arse to keep it running. I'll leave it up to him. Plus if AFC get there way then we'll only be allowed a few kiwis soon anyway.
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Please don't heap the curse of Devine on Dadi, the youngster's just had a great start.

Thanks for a good bit of argy bargy lads, I hope Ricki reads this forum. I'll take my cue from Hard News and shut up now. It's cheerio from Kiwitea Street and the lighthearted banter of Happy Ted and the City knitting circle.

 

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Why would Ricki need to ?

He sees huge numbers of NZFC players by watching NZFC games and giving large numbers time training with the Phoenix.

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PS - Tell the AFC to keep their nose out of this, this is between us bruvvers in arms! They start telling us we can't have Kiwis in the Nix that's another thing entirely. Oops, I said I'd shut up, didn't I? Sorry!
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Bluemagic, ACFC's performance at the recent CWC was great but that would be quite different when ACFC lined up against the great clubs like Barcelona, right? Motto of Paul Rosa was superb but that sort of excellence should be all the way down to junior levels.
Now, how do Costa and Rojas line up against the likes of Tommy Oar of Brisbane Roar? Surely, Tommy isn't their just because he is an aussie and 17 year old. Rather, Tommy Oar has shown that he has the skills and abilities to hold down his role and position well. But Tommy Oar would find the slighly older Hearfield (another aussie) difficult to beat and that shows the different levels of challenges.
Wellington Phoenix has got to operate on merits only and none of this kiwi-development c##p. Otherwise, spectators simply won't turn up. Perhaps there is a lesson for NZFC teams there!! 
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This thread seams a bit of a sour grapes type situation.

Bluemajic appears to be suffering a tall poppy syndrome and bagging the Wellington Phoenix who have and are making a very strong go of it. I reacall the Kingz coming down to Welly. We turned out 12K while crowds in Auck at the time were barely 8K. For the LA Galaxy game we turned out a near capaticity crowd following up 18K from the night before. Oracland lost money hand over fist with their LA Galaxy v Ocienia selection trying to emulate it the following year. Orcland lobbied and failed to get the AW V Bahrain game. We got it and sold it out. The only reason there were a few empty seats were probably due to Orcland scalpers being unable to off load their seats at exorbitant prices on Trade me. 

You cant compare NZFC teams and the A League. The intangible benefit of having the Nix is the support it generates and being there getting it done. Just turn up at the bars and railway station on home game day or listen to the chanting of our away fans in Aus. The country does not end at the Bombay hills. Nor does it at Palmerston north or Christchurch. In a pro game we take the best team we can buy and support financially and make it work. Exactly what RH and TS and YF have done. Block 5 is long gone and never reached the heights of Yellow Fever. So Bluey - suggest you join and positively support your only worthwhile pro football team.
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Nah,the attendance problem isnt in results for the NZFC angusbeef,therefore they have more leeway to try young players out. That seemed like a bit of a needless go at the NZFC in my opinion.
 
I think perhaps the NZFC doesnt get many attending due to a lack of media exposure,and also the stadiums they play at arent exactly the main stadiums in the area. It isnt seen as such a proffesional league,and doesnt have the money behind it,therefore it only captures a small audience. Only those involved in club football are likely to attend,and even then its secondary to their week in week out club life (their club being more local,easier to get to,and more closely attatched to them). They get their weekly football fix through their club,and casually go to NZFC games when they remember.
 
So no lesson needing to be learnt in that regard angusbeef. Its purely an exposure,familiarity and access thing.

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Tegal wrote:
Nah,the attendance problem isnt in results for the NZFC angusbeef,therefore they have more leeway to try young players out. That�seemed like�a bit of a needless go at the NZFC in my opinion.
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I think perhaps the NZFC doesnt get many attending due to a lack of media exposure,and also the stadiums they play at arent exactly the main stadiums in the area. It isnt seen as such a proffesional league,and doesnt have the money behind it,therefore it only captures a small audience. Only those involved in club football are likely to attend,and even then its secondary to their week in week out club life (their club being more local,easier to get to,and more closely attatched to them). They get their weekly football fix through their club,and casually go to NZFC games when they remember.

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So no lesson needing to be learnt in that regard angusbeef. Its purely an exposure,familiarity and access thing.


Club football and NZFC are played in different seasons (winter/summer). The reality is that there isn't enough money in the game for NZFC to become a league that would attract large crowds.

It's a vicious cycle really - small crowds equal little interest from outside sponsorhip, no sponsorship equals limited opportunity for exposure and bigger crowds.
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I guess what i mean is offseason people dont want to go to 'club' football,which is how the NZFC is seen (albeit the very best standard). Especally since for example TW plays out at newtown. That and the little amount of exposure there is to the competition. Its reach will never really go further than the close footballing community. Whereas the nix can attract the casual sports fan (not meaning as in "haha we're better" just a comparison as to why one crowd is bigger than the other...a pro team will always get a bigger crowd than an amateur team)

But either way,it definetly isnt affected by performance or results as angusbeef said,so there was no need to say that perhaps a lesson could be learnt,as that is not the case. NZFC sides should actually be encouraged to develop NZ talent,as they dont have the pressure to perform (except maybe in the CWC because of the media exposure) through such casual fans who only show when theyre winning. Tegal2010-01-12 21:21:14

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Tegal wrote:
Its reach will never really go further than the close footballing community. Whereas the nix can attract the casual sports fan (not meaning as in "haha we're better" just a comparison as to why one crowd is bigger than the other...a pro team will always get a bigger crowd than an amateur team)


Yep.
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Bluemagic wrote:
AngusBeef, a good question. Auckland City, and it's winter feeder club Central (they're one in the same) have produced the following current squad members through local development - Ivan Vicelich, Paul Urlovich, Jason Hayne, Daniel Koprivicic, Alex Feneridis, Adam McGeorge, Milosh Nikolic, Daniel Morgan, Jacob Mathews, Chad Coombes, Sam Campbell, Rory Kelly. You may recognize some stand out performances from the recent Club World Cup. I'm sorry if you think they play low quality rugby-style football.


Don't know much about most of them, but Jason Haynes has played everywhere including Napier and Palmy and was born, raised and started his footy in the Manawatu. He wasn't produced or developed locally by Central or Auckland City
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Bluemagic wrote:
PS - Tell the AFC to keep their nose out of this, this is between us bruvvers in arms! They start telling us we can't have Kiwis in the Nix that's another thing entirely. Oops, I said I'd shut up, didn't I? Sorry!
Dont be sorry, everyone has an opinion including you.
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Well, if ACFC think they can do a much better job than the WPFC. Then I would like to see them submit a proposal to enter A-League to the FFA and become the next professional NZ club. Bring their A game to the table, get some really stable rich owner who cares about the game and other sponsors. Or do a Melbourne Victory and open up the ownership to the fans. There is bound to be a someone in Auckland that has a passion that would like to get involved in the football business. There cannot be a better time than the present. Get a coach that is willing to step up and gain higher football qualification and give him that full-time freedom to develop the club. Maybe Paul Rosa can step up, it seems that he has the goods. I like to see that Auckland can retain their NZFC club name and enter the A-league and go professional. They will get the media exposure and further interest if they decide to, riding the NZ world cup/CWC wave. Create a budget and work towards it and get out and get more business interest for the submission.

Frankly, its a bit tiring to keep hearing the same moans and groans about the past and I rather hear bravo calls for Auckland to show WPFC how it should be done by submitting a proposal to officially enter A-League.AllWhitebelievr2010-01-12 21:47:30
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Cant we all just get along..
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AngusBeef wrote:
Bluemagic, ACFC's performance at the recent CWC was great but that would be quite different when ACFC lined up against the great clubs like Barcelona, right? Motto of Paul Rosa was superb but that sort of excellence should be all the way down to junior levels.
Now, how do Costa and Rojas line up against the likes of Tommy Oar of Brisbane Roar? Surely, Tommy isn't their just because he is an aussie and 17 year old. Rather, Tommy Oar has shown that he has the skills and abilities to hold down his role and position well. But Tommy Oar would find the slighly older Hearfield (another aussie) difficult to beat and that shows the different levels of challenges.
Wellington Phoenix has got to operate on merits only and none of this kiwi-development c##p. Otherwise, spectators simply won't turn up. Perhaps there is a lesson for NZFC teams there!! 
 
 
 
Couldn't resist replying AngusBeef. I suspect Tommy Oar came through the youth league, but the Nix don't have a youth league or reserve team which plays. There's only the NZFC and there seems to be a disconnect somewhere because in three seasons only one NZFC player has made it to regular game time. 
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thefever wrote:
Average trolling Wayward, and I would have thought that for a journalist you might at least manage paragraphs and puntuation.

Just as well we don't have a team full of South Africans, Koreans, failed Spaniards and Englishmen to support like you.  You know there was a week last year where the Phoenix put out more kiwi's than a team in the NEW ZEALAND football championship.

Coombes.  Hilarious.



How do you fail to be a spaniard....is he portugese ?
And 1 weeks all it takes is it...
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AllWhitebelievr wrote:
Well, if ACFC think they can do a much better job than the WPFC. Then I would like to see them submit a proposal to enter A-League to the FFA and become the next professional NZ club. Bring their A game to the table, get some really stable rich owner who cares about the game and other sponsors. Or do a Melbourne Victory and open up the ownership to the fans. There is bound to be a someone in Auckland that has a passion that would like to get involved in the football business. There cannot be a better time than the present. Get a coach that is willing to step up and gain higher football qualification and give him that full-time freedom to develop the club. Maybe Paul Rosa can step up, it seems that he has the goods. I like to see that Auckland can retain their NZFC club name and enter the A-league and go professional. They will get the media exposure and further interest if they decide to, riding the NZ world cup/CWC wave. Create a budget and work towards it and get out and get more business interest for the submission.

Frankly, its a bit tiring to keep hearing the same moans and groans about the past and I rather hear bravo calls for Auckland to show WPFC how it should be done by submitting a proposal to officially enter A-League.
 
 
There are plenty of us up here who'd love to have another crack at the A-League, but someone who should know says the Aussies won't sanction a second NZ-based team. We stuffed up twice and that burnt a lot of bridges. You've got the ball and I hope you succeed.
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Bluemagic wrote:
Couldn't resist replying AngusBeef. I suspect Tommy Oar came through the youth league, but the Nix don't have a youth league or reserve team which plays. There's only the NZFC and there seems to be a disconnect somewhere because in three seasons only one NZFC player has made it to regular game time.�


Or maybe, just maybe, some of those players coming from the NZFC have not been good enough to get regular time at the A-league level?
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Baiter wrote:
It's laughable isn't it.  The Phoenix aren't helping NZ football by getting 9000 people along, front page news in the papers and headlining TV sports news, but they are supporting NZ football by denigrating our world cup qualification, all because it happened in Wellington.

New Zealand football supporters my arse.



Probably the smartest bit of you , but always lovely to see you slither out from under yer flat rock, merry xmas and happy new year !
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darkhorse wrote:
zinidane wrote:
My neighbour is a local school teacher....he said all through playtime and lunch today,heaps of kids were out in the playground with footballs trying to do Eugene Dadi bicycle kicks. Thats what it means to have a local pro football team. These kids need football heroes....at the moment its overseas players like Dadi and Ifill. In time they will have more kiwi football heroes like leo and Smeltzy.
Actually this whole arguement smacks of Auckland jealousy. The Phoenix have a success and following that the old Auckland based Knights and Kings could only dream of.
Has school started already??



OOh an analytical mind.... good catch sir !!
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 well done

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El-Ni�o wrote:
Hard News wrote:
So do many Auckland City fans.  After all most of them were the 600 that were around by the end of the Kingz and the Knights.
 
With a few Waitak boys thrown in!



There are a FEW of you ?  Thank god for cell division and no ban on incest....
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Bluemagic wrote:
Sorry to bang on about it but the Phoenix is the only club in Nz allowed to be professional. We were talking about it at City's club night last week and there are tight restrictions placed on City about giving players money, even if they win it at the CWC. So the other seven NZFC clubs got over $100,000 each and NZ Football $450,000 (the very same amount they're investing back in the NZFC) and so this means Auckland City are essentially financing local football.
 
If City was allowed to be professional then I wouldn't care if the Phoenix didn't have one kiwi player because we'd have half a dozen more Siggys playing for the mighty Blues. But we can't and if you won't then it's going to hold back local football.
 
 
Sorry mate but I'm afraid this is utter rubbish.  ACFC are only in the position to go to the CWC because of pokie money, which they wouldn't be entitled to without remaining "amateur".  They have no income from TV, very little from sponsorship and advertising, and the only other item is the CWC money.  There's no way they could go pro without losing the pokie money and that's not going to happen because without pokies there's no club.
 
The only people who are financing local football are the mums and dads chucking their $$ in the slots
 
You're convinced that these guys are the new Siggy etc, are any of them getting interest from anywhere?  That tournament was screened far and wide, there's another 9 A-League clubs, state league etc - this isn't just about the Phoenix.  Or perhaps there's another answer and they're just not good enough...
 
Finally, I asked you pages ago whether it's an issue for ACFC to have a side with so many foreigners in it.  You haven't answered...
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Bluemagic wrote:
AllWhitebelievr wrote:
Well, if ACFC think they can do a much better job than the WPFC. Then I would like to see them submit a proposal to enter A-League to the FFA and become the next professional NZ club. Bring their A game to the table, get some really stable rich owner who cares about the game and other sponsors. Or do a Melbourne Victory and open up the ownership to the fans. There is bound to be a someone in Auckland that has a passion that would like to get involved in the football business. There cannot be a better time than the present. Get a coach that is willing to step up and gain higher football qualification and give him that full-time freedom to develop the club. Maybe Paul Rosa can step up, it seems that he has the goods. I like to see that Auckland can retain their NZFC club name and enter the A-league and go professional. They will get the media exposure and further interest if they decide to, riding the NZ world cup/CWC wave. Create a budget and work towards it and get out and get more business interest for the submission. Frankly, its a bit tiring to keep hearing the same moans and groans about the past and I rather hear bravo calls for Auckland to show WPFC how it should be done by submitting a proposal to officially enter A-League.

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There are plenty of us up here who'd love to have another crack at the A-League, but someone who should know says the Aussies won't sanction a second NZ-based team. We stuffed up twice and that burnt a lot of bridges. You've got the ball and I hope you succeed.


So are you just going to roll over and die then?? There are plenty of ways to skin a cat. Both Kingz and Knights were under a different regime, they were created without any historical club background. The only connection was with Waitakere City Chairman, Anthony Lee. ACFC has been developed under the NZFC franchise system and not linked with Waitakere who are the NZFC rivals of ACFC.

ACFC have proven that they have some mettle on the world stage. It's all in the marketing. Get to play a few A-league sides in the off-season/pre-season. Wave that banner of yours and get someone to drive the damn thing. You do realise that there are Australians that will accept an Auckland side as well as a Christchurch side into the A-league. However they have placed the timeline of entry as being after ten years for an Auckland side.

But you never will know, if you have the right stuff onboard like WPFC and been rejected a couple of times, Auckland can be back. You know that you were not the only A-League side that had the same problems and need to be bailed out. For an example, Perth Glory was supported by the FFA at the same time and they are still competitive now after someone else took over. Knights just didn't have the chance of the same back up plan from the FFA and the FFA just switch the licence open to another NZ club via NZS. It was a different problem in NZ as compared to other failing A-leagues side in Oz. Auckland can come back. You are just psychologically damaged still.AllWhitebelievr2010-01-12 23:10:22
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They haven't got the cash or a ground, and the FFA is not interested in 2 NZ teams, that's the hard reality james dean2010-01-12 23:08:42

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I will say that I agree with the general sentiment that Phoenix should continue to try and develop players who aren't seen to be, or maybe aren't quite up to it yet. Interesting to hear what Ricki said on the telly: "Some players came here with no real background and no real chances at any other clubs". Now, I would think that there are other players in this category. We are looking strong now, but we have had to develop players to an extent and struggled at times to stay competitive whilst doing so. I can't see the club being overly successful while constantly sticking in players who aren't immediately up to it. BUT, we are obviously trying hard to get a reserve team and build more of those foundations where players can learn / achieve at a reasonable level and then have a good chance to play regularly for the Phoenix. I think it's actually a real shame for Costa that we haven't had this in the last few years (but not our fault).

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I think the point is, other than ACFC fans, there aren't many people beating a drum for many in the NZFC to be given a shot at the Phoenix.
 
And the suggestion of Coombes is laughable
 
The simple fact is that there is a bigger gamble attache to signing a player who hasn't been in a professional environment before.  Even guys like Costa took about a year to get used to the routine of training every day, Siggy said exactly the same thing.  Why should the Phoenix have to take that gamble.
 
You want your guys to get an opportunity?  Put it this way would you be willing for them to be signed for the Phoenix but train full time and play mostly in a Phoenix reserve team in the NZFC against ACFC for a year?  Because that's what the club I'm sure would like, but understandably that's not a good outcome for the NZFC teams...

Normo's coming home

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They haven't got the cash or a ground, and the FFA is not interested in 2 NZ teams, that's the hard reality


No, because it only takes one NZ team to access the NZ market..anymore would benefit NZ football without any gain for the league..and this is not charity; its business , actually...bloody big business too
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james dean wrote:
They haven't got the cash or a ground, and the FFA is not interested in 2 NZ teams, that's the hard reality


Well if the FFA gets their plans for a promotion/relegation compliance to the AFC. It may be a different story later on. If say an investor with cash to burn like Graeme Hart or Richard/Christopher Chandler or even Lynette Erceg with a view to take up more asia/australian interest. A football club can opens up doors and stimulate more outside club business. Its the most expensive billboard, but that is how it works.

With the cash and a ground, you can talk turkey and change their minds. FFA do want to get the promotion/relegation going at some stage and they need enough team without losing crowd numbers. It's a step by step process, but the Aucklander/Cantabrians has to make the move first rather than the other way round. FFA hardly going to go out of their way to ask, the first move has be with the NZ club and they first has to have a strong enough submission with all ticks in the right place, cross their t's and dot the i's. Everyone has just to be convincing enough and persisting enough.
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uncloz wrote:
james dean wrote:
They haven't got the cash or a ground, and the FFA is not interested in 2 NZ teams, that's the hard reality


No, because it only takes one NZ team to access the NZ market..anymore would benefit NZ football without any gain for the league..and this is not charity; its business , actually...bloody big business too
 
There is some business logic to a second New Zealand team (not going to get into which one...). While they do have a team in New Zealand, the actual active, real interest in other cities apart from Wellington isn't that strong. A second team would give strong interest in that second city, as well as stronger interest in Wellington through the two New Zealand teams playing, and probably stronger interest throughout New Zealand to some extent. Equalling more dollars. Now, there's probably other Australian locations they could go to where there's more business interest in the way you are referring to, but not loads. Other factors such as crowd numbers also need to be taken into consideration. I don't see it as likely to happen soon, but having a second team wouldn't necessarily just be 'charity'.
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