Interim coach and next mens team coach

From time to time on a good day, I used to enjoy going out to Fraser Park to watch the academy train. One thing that stood out was that Greenie put a huge emphasis on fitness, something that is lacking with the current A League team in my opinion.

So, I am sure that he will address that and hopefully he will select players in their positions. We have too many playing out of position. 

I’m not sure how long LBS has been hanging around Greenie, but I don’t think the Chief has got the best out of him so hopefully this will also unleash some of this young talent.

whatever

From time to time on a good day, I used to enjoy going out to Fraser Park to watch the academy train. One thing that stood out was that Greenie put a huge emphasis on fitness, something that is lacking with the current A League team in my opinion.

So, I am sure that he will address that and hopefully he will select players in their positions. We have too many playing out of position. 

Bit late to be trying to stack fitness into players  but i get where your coming from.

whatever

From time to time on a good day, I used to enjoy going out to Fraser Park to watch the academy train. One thing that stood out was that Greenie put a huge emphasis on fitness, something that is lacking with the current A League team in my opinion.

So, I am sure that he will address that and hopefully he will select players in their positions. We have too many playing out of position. 

If nothing else, that was also a hallmark of Rudan prep for our first season with him (a very noticeable lift in player fitness, we ran then like the Newcastle Jets are running today).

We haven't been complete crap. Sometimes we've been very good, sometimes crap. Greenie can hopefully tap into the noncrapness.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe

We haven't been complete crap. Sometimes we've been very good, sometimes crap. Greenie can hopefully tap into the noncrapness.

agree. We also not that unfit, we have finished games stronger in many recent games, some of that could be attributed to game state, some times its more a mental thing.

Darije Kalezic is available

Lachyloolaa

austin111

Absolutely no problem for Greenie to come in for the rest of the season. There were no real obvious choices once Kelly G resigned.
Many times in these situations you get a bounce in positive results. However I dont think we can think of top 6. We would have to become serial winners and hope lots of clubs drop points to make 6.
I wish Greenie all the best....hes going to need it.

I don't think it's as unthinkable as it seems right now! A club finding form after a new coach is far from unheard of, and we're only sitting 5 points outside the 6.

Don't get me wrong there's still a good chance we'll just meander in the bottom half of the table, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what Greenie can do with the club again. It'll at least be something different.

Goes to shows how tight the leagues been given we're arguably still in playoff contention after being so crap. Makes you wish we were an above average team cuz then we might be sitting near the top!

Love this club and rate Greenie, but with our defensive record and poor performers I just don't think we can win often enough to trouble the playoff race. If Greenie can get us even close I'll be impressed. 7th or 8th would be a positive finish at this point.

AucklandPhoenix

I’m not sure how long LBS has been hanging around Greenie, but I don’t think the Chief has got the best out of him so hopefully this will also unleash some of this young talent.

Absolutely. And while I get all the commonsense arguments about how inexperienced LBS is it does frustrate me that an aging Aussie journeyman, who has only appeared on the park for less than an hour this season, is preferred over a talented, highly promising young local product.

So many other clubs have shown that if you persevere with young players, allowing them to learn from their mistakes and gain confidence through regular game time then the rewards to the club can be immense. 

Iffil has not yet had a call from Greenie but would consider an approach to be assistant (unused subs)

Anything Greenie can do is a bonus. Not fair to over judge him as the season is gone. The writing has been on the wall since the 6-1 in Ak a year ago, and nothing was done about it. Only a complete re-set at the top will get the fans back. We're done for now. Again nothing is a surprise. Look at the football heads involved with the top clubs. It's chalk and cheese.            
 

The majority of casuals probably couldn’t name our top management, let alone care. 

Results are what will get them back, it doesn’t matter who’s in charge.

Simon B

tonya wrote:

Only a complete re-set at the top will get the fans back.

The majority of casuals probably couldn’t name our top management, let alone care. 

Results are what will get them back, it doesn’t matter who’s in charge.

 Wins and nothing else will get fans back... See Newcastle Jets.

LT01

Lachyloolaa

austin111

Absolutely no problem for Greenie to come in for the rest of the season. There were no real obvious choices once Kelly G resigned.
Many times in these situations you get a bounce in positive results. However I dont think we can think of top 6. We would have to become serial winners and hope lots of clubs drop points to make 6.
I wish Greenie all the best....hes going to need it.

I don't think it's as unthinkable as it seems right now! A club finding form after a new coach is far from unheard of, and we're only sitting 5 points outside the 6.

Don't get me wrong there's still a good chance we'll just meander in the bottom half of the table, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what Greenie can do with the club again. It'll at least be something different.

Goes to shows how tight the leagues been given we're arguably still in playoff contention after being so crap. Makes you wish we were an above average team cuz then we might be sitting near the top!

Love this club and rate Greenie, but with our defensive record and poor performers I just don't think we can win often enough to trouble the playoff race. If Greenie can get us even close I'll be impressed. 7th or 8th would be a positive finish at this point.

Nah yeah you're probably right. You're always "only 5 points from the 6" then "Only 6 points from the 6" then "only 9 points from the 6".

But hey, whilst we're only 5 points from the 6, I'll dare to believe

It's begging for me to say that not even Jesus could save our defence. I still live in the hope that the guys have a good heart to heart with each other and sort it out. A point noted that a few of the players are more concerned about World Cup spots than for the Nix. Well after that spanking I can tell you, Not one of them would get picked. So they let themselves, the club and the fans down by their own ambitions. Time for some serious reflections from within I think.

I should probably have an idea of this but I’m blanking, does Greenie have a preferred on field  set up he’s been using for the under 20s or academy team?

YellowAndBlack

I should probably have an idea of this but I’m blanking, does Greenie have a preferred on field  set up he’s been using for the under 20s or academy team?

From the Niche cache newsletter.

One curious thing about Chris Greenacre’s WeeNix side is they’re the only one of the three A-League Reserve teams that didn’t mimic the style of their senior team
It’s probably down to Chiefy’s tinkering (three distinct styles in each season he was at the club) making it impossible to keep up... but Chris Greenacre never did a high line with the WeeNix. Never did a back three (even though three of his best players were CBs – Jayden Smith, Mac Munro, and Dylan Gardiner). Never did wing-backs. Always tried to have a second striker or attacking midfielder to support the main centre-forward. They’ve been doing 4-2-2-2 variations since Ufuk Talay was in town regardless of how the first team operated. Dunno if that’s the best way to prepare players for the jump up into A-League action when they’re called upon but it does give Greenie something different to fall back upon now that he’s replacing The Chief.

I assume we have sacked our goalie coach 

Ranix

YellowAndBlack

I should probably have an idea of this but I’m blanking, does Greenie have a preferred on field  set up he’s been using for the under 20s or academy team?

From the Niche cache newsletter.

One curious thing about Chris Greenacre’s WeeNix side is they’re the only one of the three A-League Reserve teams that didn’t mimic the style of their senior team
It’s probably down to Chiefy’s tinkering (three distinct styles in each season he was at the club) making it impossible to keep up... but Chris Greenacre never did a high line with the WeeNix. Never did a back three (even though three of his best players were CBs – Jayden Smith, Mac Munro, and Dylan Gardiner). Never did wing-backs. Always tried to have a second striker or attacking midfielder to support the main centre-forward. They’ve been doing 4-2-2-2 variations since Ufuk Talay was in town regardless of how the first team operated. Dunno if that’s the best way to prepare players for the jump up into A-League action when they’re called upon but it does give Greenie something different to fall back upon now that he’s replacing The Chief.

Not sure if Chiefy & Greeny saw eye to eye on a lot of things.  Suspect the Greeny will field a formation that suits the players he has and not likely to make wholesale changes early on.   Very interesting to see how they line up on Sunday

isnt a concern there is such a big gap in style within the team/reserves? Sure, there might be little variations within them but how do you expect players to step up from the academy and adept to the senior team system? I work in a NPL team in Victoria as a academy coach, and every NPL team side all have their own style of play the implement from the top NPL side to the under 15's.. Its a agreed upon method that the football department all agree on pre-season and training sessions, and individual training is catered around this one method of play. Melbourne City is the exponents of this, you watch any of their junior or npl teams, they all play the exact same method.. Again, this brings me to the points of director of football Gill, what exactly is his role? How is trying to close the gap in playing style between seniors & the academy, especially in a club like ours who strongly believe in promoting youth, we are doing them a dis-service by playng a completely different game

Ranix

YellowAndBlack

I should probably have an idea of this but I’m blanking, does Greenie have a preferred on field  set up he’s been using for the under 20s or academy team?

From the Niche cache newsletter.

One curious thing about Chris Greenacre’s WeeNix side is they’re the only one of the three A-League Reserve teams that didn’t mimic the style of their senior team
It’s probably down to Chiefy’s tinkering (three distinct styles in each season he was at the club) making it impossible to keep up... but Chris Greenacre never did a high line with the WeeNix. Never did a back three (even though three of his best players were CBs – Jayden Smith, Mac Munro, and Dylan Gardiner). Never did wing-backs. Always tried to have a second striker or attacking midfielder to support the main centre-forward. They’ve been doing 4-2-2-2 variations since Ufuk Talay was in town regardless of how the first team operated. Dunno if that’s the best way to prepare players for the jump up into A-League action when they’re called upon but it does give Greenie something different to fall back upon now that he’s replacing The Chief.

Feverish

I assume we have sacked our goalie coach 

I get the impression that the goalie coach does the training but under Italiano (no longer Cheify now he has gone) picked who played actually played.  Who else trains the keepers if he is shoved out as well

Walsall Boy

Feverish

I assume we have sacked our goalie coach 

I get the impression that the goalie coach does the training but under Italiano (no longer Cheify now he has gone) picked who played actually played.  Who else trains the keepers if he is shoved out as well

 
Get someone to who knows a keep shouldn’t header a ball for no reason 

Find it a little strange that the Brazilian assistant resigned the day after Chief.


I know that in the big leagues that when the coach is sacked, the team he recruited in such positions usually all go the same day and are paid out. Now Chief resigned and wasn’t sacked and we will never know if a gentleman’s agreement was for him to be paid out and/or his assistant.

Both head coach and assistant going the same time - is this the first for the A league?

Feverish

Walsall Boy

Feverish

I assume we have sacked our goalie coach 

I get the impression that the goalie coach does the training but under Italiano (no longer Cheify now he has gone) picked who played actually played.  Who else trains the keepers if he is shoved out as well

 
Get someone to who knows a keep shouldn’t header a ball for no reason 

There are plenty of good kiwi keeper coaches. Oatsy, Big Jim to name two.

Was ranting and raving along similar lines in the FRG thread Nixieboys (apologies ballane). Another reason the high line debacle was not only regrettable but probably preventable and negligent as well. Hopefully greenie becoming coach realigns the senior and reserve teams in a healthy and productive way. 

Maybe the Nix will try and get GK coach Ruben Parker back from the Roar. He's a Kiwi and Paulsen spoke highly of him when at the Nix.

Hunch he's one of the staff that left after last season, due to a bit of a falling out with Chiefy. He didn't go off and do a UK OE anyway.

imanixsupporter

Was ranting and raving along similar lines in the FRG thread Nixieboys (apologies ballane). Another reason the high line debacle was not only regrettable but probably preventable and negligent as well. Hopefully greenie becoming coach realigns the senior and reserve teams in a healthy and productive way. 

Thought I’d pop in the response I put there. Sorry for the double posting, but this is a better place to discuss it anyway. 

I understand where you are coming from ImaNix. 

Here’s why I was less cranky:
24/25.  Shots per game = 7
25/26.   Shots per game = 12

Our problems has been the following:
Goals per game = 1.56
Conceded per game= 2.11

Our defense was either unable to cope with it against hot shots Randall and the Jets. And then it was unfamiliar with its assignment or its members. No LB didn’t help. 

This meant there was a higher chance of mistakes as defense personnel were in and out and instructions changed to fit that and other reasons. 

But the attack side of things was exciting and fun, and contrary to Chief’s instincts! 

For example here’s his good season : 
For per game:    1.48
Conceded per game:    0.97
Shots per game: 9

Control and discipline is his preference. 

Yeah the thing is despite being such prolific scorers I don't think we have looked very fluent going forwards or in possession this season, it feels to me like individual brilliance, particularly from Eze and Armiento, has been why we have scored so many goals and not the system.

Even if I am tactically illiterate and completely wrong here, the associated defensive frailty more than made up for it anyway.

Also, I don't think comparison to last season is very useful. When Chico and Rojas werent playing we were unbelievably bad. At one point about halfway through the season I looked at the way we were playing and our upcoming fixtures and predicted we wouldnt have a 9 game winless streak and I was proven right. Being better than last season is worth little as we were so far below par. 

imanixsupporter

Yeah the thing is despite being such prolific scorers I don't think we have looked very fluent going forwards or in possession this season, it feels to me like individual brilliance, particularly from Eze and Armiento, has been why we have scored so many goals and not the system.

Even if I am tactically illiterate and completely wrong here, the associated defensive frailty more than made up for it anyway.

Also, I don't think comparison to last season is very useful. When Chico and Rojas werent playing we were unbelievably bad. At one point about halfway through the season I looked at the way we were playing and our upcoming fixtures and predicted we wouldnt have a 9 game winless streak and I was proven right. Being better than last season is worth little as we were so far below par. 

...wouldnt have a 9 game winless streak....

Even for you, that's an overuse of negative contractions.

It's a tricky balance because in the interim, Greenies best path forward is probably back to basics, keep it simple, instill some discipline, build confidence, blood the younger boys where sensible.

But - I think if he's to get the job full time, I would hope he would need to present a better vision for next season than that. If it's just simple, orthodox tactics and a mostly academy focussed team, results are not going to be better than 6th-8th ish, and we can aim higher than that.

Of course we are not privy to their discussions, but I hope the clubs leadership are thorough and consider other candidates, even though I like Greenie I would love to know his plans for retention, departures, what kind of signings he'd look to target, how we will set up against different teams, etc.

I don't agree with the sentiment that he deserves the job for sentiment and having been at the club at the long time alone.

Greenie has the job already, he doesnt need to prove anything to the only people that matter, Domey & Gill. They have already made the decision, Greenie is the man, the only candidate. This is not an audition. 6th is not a fantasy, while unlikely it is not unachievable and he has to go for it in whichever way he thinks will be the most effective. 

I don't think there is much point in debating anymore whether this is wise or not that the club have zero appetite for a wider search. We just have to hope for the best and support as best we can. 

LT01

Lachyloolaa

austin111

Absolutely no problem for Greenie to come in for the rest of the season. There were no real obvious choices once Kelly G resigned.
Many times in these situations you get a bounce in positive results. However I dont think we can think of top 6. We would have to become serial winners and hope lots of clubs drop points to make 6.
I wish Greenie all the best....hes going to need it.

I don't think it's as unthinkable as it seems right now! A club finding form after a new coach is far from unheard of, and we're only sitting 5 points outside the 6.

Don't get me wrong there's still a good chance we'll just meander in the bottom half of the table, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what Greenie can do with the club again. It'll at least be something different.

Goes to shows how tight the leagues been given we're arguably still in playoff contention after being so crap. Makes you wish we were an above average team cuz then we might be sitting near the top!

Love this club and rate Greenie, but with our defensive record and poor performers I just don't think we can win often enough to trouble the playoff race. If Greenie can get us even close I'll be impressed. 7th or 8th would be a positive finish at this point.

To be honest, given current trajectory of the club and the quality of the teams around and below us (ie, there is no obvious rank bad team, just various forms of mediocrity and underperformance (I'm looking at you WSW)), then avoiding the spoon will actually take some effort. So yes, 7th or 8th will be good, which means that 6th is possible. And if we get there, given the form shift required, we could really be up for it! 

imanixsupporter

Greenie has the job already, he doesnt need to prove anything to the only people that matter, Domey & Gill. They have already made the decision, Greenie is the man, the only candidate. This is not an audition. 6th is not a fantasy, while unlikely it is not unachievable and he has to go for it in whichever way he thinks will be the most effective. 

I don't think there is much point in debating anymore whether this is wise or not that the club have zero appetite for a wider search. We just have to hope for the best and support as best we can. 

I agree

And I also don't see many here acknowledging that this is exactly what good succession planning looks like. 

Walsall Boy

Feverish

I assume we have sacked our goalie coach 

I get the impression that the goalie coach does the training but under Italiano (no longer Cheify now he has gone) picked who played actually played.  Who else trains the keepers if he is shoved out as well

 Chief was the name given to him by his dead friend, it was his nickname before he was the head coach.

reg22

imanixsupporter

Greenie has the job already, he doesnt need to prove anything to the only people that matter, Domey & Gill. They have already made the decision, Greenie is the man, the only candidate. This is not an audition. 6th is not a fantasy, while unlikely it is not unachievable and he has to go for it in whichever way he thinks will be the most effective. 

I don't think there is much point in debating anymore whether this is wise or not that the club have zero appetite for a wider search. We just have to hope for the best and support as best we can. 

I agree

And I also don't see many here acknowledging that this is exactly what good succession planning looks like. 

Succession planning is one thing and with Greenie the club have invested in him and his development, which is good. But even the best succession planners check what the market is offering before making a final decision. Besides NZ law requires the job be advertised, so that will happen when the season is done.

What NZ law?

Why would the job need to be advertised?

If you are talking about immigration surely after 16 years here, Greenie is at least a NZ resident? 

it may only apply to public/government agencies - probs not private companies.
but best practice would be to advertise, even for a short period, to avoid any potential issues.

imanixsupporter

Greenie has the job already, he doesnt need to prove anything to the only people that matter, Domey & Gill. They have already made the decision, Greenie is the man, the only candidate. This is not an audition. 6th is not a fantasy, while unlikely it is not unachievable and he has to go for it in whichever way he thinks will be the most effective. 

I don't think there is much point in debating anymore whether this is wise or not that the club have zero appetite for a wider search. We just have to hope for the best and support as best we can. 

Good lord that's outrageously positive, given what I usually read here. I agree

There are no issues if he is a NZ resident.

theprof

it may only apply to public/government agencies - probs not private companies.
but best practice would be to advertise, even for a short period, to avoid any potential issues.

imanixsupporter

Yeah the thing is despite being such prolific scorers I don't think we have looked very fluent going forwards or in possession this season, it feels to me like individual brilliance, particularly from Eze and Armiento, has been why we have scored so many goals and not the system.

Even if I am tactically illiterate and completely wrong here, the associated defensive frailty more than made up for it anyway.

Also, I don't think comparison to last season is very useful. When Chico and Rojas werent playing we were unbelievably bad. At one point about halfway through the season I looked at the way we were playing and our upcoming fixtures and predicted we wouldnt have a 9 game winless streak and I was proven right. Being better than last season is worth little as we were so far below par. 

That’s a little silly. 

You can’t give Chief and the high line no credit because it was all random moments (from two players he recruited to do exactly that job.) and not let him off last season because his goal scorers were injured. 

And yes- that’s exactly what those stats show. 

Last season very poor goal scoring/average defense. 
Best season: poor attack/very good defense. 
This season so far: good attack/very poor defense.

They set up to get the ball to their goal scorers more often this season. 

We’ve had moments, not of the fluency of Marco and Chico or Old, Kraev, Kosta, Payne and Pennington, but of artillery relentlessly banging on the door.