I wonder if Bev was in the frame, regardless you cant say that Greeny hasn't paid his dues.
A coach who knows the club and the players already at the start of his tenure will always be a better candidate. An outsider at comparable quality would either be playing catch-up, or be very expensive. And having a self-evident commitment to the club is a huge plus.
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theprof wrote:Ryan wrote:think she has said in previous interviews that she has no interest in managing the men, totally different kettle of fish to the women
I wonder if Bev was in the frame, regardless you cant say that Greeny hasn't paid his dues.
That and why would they potentially mess up whats working for the woman
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A coach who knows the club and the players already at the start of his tenure will always be a better candidate. An outsider at comparable quality would either be playing catch-up, or be very expensive. And having a self-evident commitment to the club is a huge plus.
Absolutely, but there are plenty of occurences of it being great initially, then get the gig FT and it goes belly up. As someone else said, we'll never know without trying and I think he's earned the opportunity. I think i've moved into that camp, just don't want us to lose a great coach from the club, at the end of it all.
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I was hesitant to say the least but can't argue with the results, 4 wins, a draw and 2 losses since he took over.
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That’s part of the skills of a manager though:
keeping things fresh for players playing the same position year in year out, particularly if the team doesn’t change a lot
keeping the team motivated on goals and knitted together
if you have success, reacting to the things the opposition do to counter your better players and plans
keeping things fresh for players playing the same position year in year out, particularly if the team doesn’t change a lot
keeping the team motivated on goals and knitted together
if you have success, reacting to the things the opposition do to counter your better players and plans
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Greenacre will need to learn to trust his bench more. Yes, probably down to the players available this year but that City game was crying out for changes early and it took him till late to go for it in a must win game.
I just hope the overall squad improves so he can utilise the bench earlier.
I just hope the overall squad improves so he can utilise the bench earlier.
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I like Greenys press releases and comments.
Simple and easy to understand.
Simple and easy to understand.
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Mainland FC wrote:nixin wrote:Ultimately every coach is judged on their results.
I'm not keen on Greenacre as next coach. IMHO his player selections have been poor each time he's filled in. Good results have been despite this.
Italiano was right and early about one thing: this season has been close. That, the good team spirit this year, a bit of luck, and some outstanding performances in vital areas, eg by Eze, and in many games by Oluwayemi, explain why the Nix are still near the top six.
Results divided by resources. What he did with what he had.
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Men's media opportunity
The Wellington Phoenix will unveil the men's new head coach on Tuesday ahead of a media conference with the new coach and director of football Shaun Gill at NZCIS from 1pm. There will also be an opportunity for one-on-one interviews and portraits from approx. 1:30pm.
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good that they are getting it sorted early, kinda suggests that Greenie has the job, unles they've been interviewing others while the season has been coming to a close.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Members email confirms what we all expected. Good luck Greeny, hope this is the start of a resurgence.
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I just hope all the complainers and moaners give him a decent crack at it before starting with their negativity.
Wish him all the best and hope the board allow him to get some decent visa players..
Wish him all the best and hope the board allow him to get some decent visa players..
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Not mad about this tbh. He came in late and was able to give us stability and a string of good results, one of which was a win at AAMI. Wheels sorta fell off after the City loss but considering how we were before Greenacre I think he did good. Hell he made everyone believe in finals even after the 3rd Derby, that's pretty remarkable imo. Plus with how early he's being appointed he has plenty of time to figure things out and rebuild the team.
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Ryan wrote:
Members email confirms what we all expected. Good luck Greeny, hope this is the start of a resurgence.
A one year deal.. Is it a sign that they dont have much confidence in him? Usually you see coaches given multi-year deals, as its easier to plan in terms of player signings, long term planning etc.. Or is it the reality of the current A League given its current situation
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Congrats Greenie. Looking forward to the next chapter. 👏
It's a very rare occurence that you have someone involved in any given role at a single club for nigh on 17 years now. But he's the definition of a proper club man, and he fully deserves this opportunity.
It's a very rare occurence that you have someone involved in any given role at a single club for nigh on 17 years now. But he's the definition of a proper club man, and he fully deserves this opportunity.
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Congratulations Greenie. He deserves this after having to clean up - how many other head coaches' messes so far? FOUR. I forgot he also did the job when Ricki quit, way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and MP3 players were considered high tech.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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On the basis of the article released, it seems Greenie's KPIs are work hard, instill pride, create moments to be proud of, get crowds back etc. No bullish ambition about making finals or winning titles or anything like that.
He's a club man through and through and as such it is hard to be hopeful that he will exorcise the culture of mediocrity that is so deeply embedded at the club. But it could be worse, we could still have Chiefy. Good luck Greenie
He's a club man through and through and as such it is hard to be hopeful that he will exorcise the culture of mediocrity that is so deeply embedded at the club. But it could be worse, we could still have Chiefy. Good luck Greenie
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First things first, I just want us to finally be able to beat those insufferable cods up north. If Greenie can put together a squad which can do that, he’s got my approval.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360960994/wellington-phoenix-confirm-chris-greenacre-head-coach
1+1 years deal. Interesting.
Let the re-signing of players begin!
1+1 years deal. Interesting.
Let the re-signing of players begin!
Queenslander 3x a year.
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Just seen something in the Stuff piece I didn't realize. Auckland finished 9 points ahead of us. We played them three times for them getting 9 points and us getting zero. In other words, our record in games outside of Phoenix v Auckland is exactly the same as theirs. Played 23 for 33 points. If we could only ......
One thing I am very interested to see is who Greenies staff are going to be. Just as much as what players we bring in. He can't be hands on with all training although I suspect he will be a lot more hands on than most head coaches at professional level.
One thing I am very interested to see is who Greenies staff are going to be. Just as much as what players we bring in. He can't be hands on with all training although I suspect he will be a lot more hands on than most head coaches at professional level.
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Now that we have our coach sorted, it surprises me that Greenie got 1+1.
Wonder what that means for player re-signings if they can't tell you who the coach will be in 14 months.
Wonder what that means for player re-signings if they can't tell you who the coach will be in 14 months.
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I don’t think players mind too much in today’s climate.
The key signings will in any case be the five imports and unless they are absolute proven guns, you would hope that they also would be 1 plus 1 deals (Learning from the recent mistakes of dud imports on two year deals and what turned into a gun - Eze only on a one)
All in all a good move. While he has been with the club in coaching roles for a long time, he is still relatively young for a coach, will have fresh ideas and no doubt has seen what hasn’t worked and getting the position sorted quickly is crucial to allow him to scan the world to get the best possible imports.
I hope it’s just the slant of the article but I am a little concerned with once again the major focus once again appears to be the derbies. That shouldn’t be such a focus and the Nix really should have learned their lessons on that by now.
Focus on themselves.
The key signings will in any case be the five imports and unless they are absolute proven guns, you would hope that they also would be 1 plus 1 deals (Learning from the recent mistakes of dud imports on two year deals and what turned into a gun - Eze only on a one)
All in all a good move. While he has been with the club in coaching roles for a long time, he is still relatively young for a coach, will have fresh ideas and no doubt has seen what hasn’t worked and getting the position sorted quickly is crucial to allow him to scan the world to get the best possible imports.
I hope it’s just the slant of the article but I am a little concerned with once again the major focus once again appears to be the derbies. That shouldn’t be such a focus and the Nix really should have learned their lessons on that by now.
Focus on themselves.
Auckland will rise once more
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On the basis of the article released, it seems Greenie's KPIs are work hard, instill pride, create moments to be proud of, get crowds back etc. No bullish ambition about making finals or winning titles or anything like that.
He's a club man through and through and as such it is hard to be hopeful that he will exorcise the culture of mediocrity that is so deeply embedded at the club. But it could be worse, we could still have Chiefy. Good luck Greenie
As a matter of interest have you ever spoken to anyone that works for the club in management or any of the players. Would be interested to hear which of them this " culture of mediocrity" that you and others talk about comes from because its cerainly hasnt been something i have heard from anyone involved in the Phoenix.
Its something you and others constantly throw around with little actual basis.
Its something you and others constantly throw around with little actual basis.
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I don’t think players mind too much in today’s climate.
The key signings will in any case be the five imports and unless they are absolute proven guns, you would hope that they also would be 1 plus 1 deals (Learning from the recent mistakes of dud imports on two year deals and what turned into a gun - Eze only on a one)
All in all a good move. While he has been with the club in coaching roles for a long time, he is still relatively young for a coach, will have fresh ideas and no doubt has seen what hasn’t worked and getting the position sorted quickly is crucial to allow him to scan the world to get the best possible imports.
I hope it’s just the slant of the article but I am a little concerned with once again the major focus once again appears to be the derbies. That shouldn’t be such a focus and the Nix really should have learned their lessons on that by now.
Focus on themselves.
How is having Eze on 1 year deal compared to a 1+1, a mistake?
He's off in either circumstance.
Eze likely only wanted a 1 year deal. From his first interview he made it clear he hoped the A League would be his European shop window.
He's off in either circumstance.
Eze likely only wanted a 1 year deal. From his first interview he made it clear he hoped the A League would be his European shop window.
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Eze made it clear why he was here when he was announced so it was obvious why it was only a 1 year deal.
The club cant win they get moans when they sign 1 year deals and they get moans when they sign 2yr deals not sure i understand what people want.
The club cant win they get moans when they sign 1 year deals and they get moans when they sign 2yr deals not sure i understand what people want.
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Just seen something in the Stuff piece I didn't realize. Auckland finished 9 points ahead of us. We played them three times for them getting 9 points and us getting zero. In other words, our record in games outside of Phoenix v Auckland is exactly the same as theirs. Played 23 for 33 points. If we could only ......
One thing I am very interested to see is who Greenies staff are going to be. Just as much as what players we bring in. He can't be hands on with all training although I suspect he will be a lot more hands on than most head coaches at professional level.
Have said it few times if you split those Derby games things dont look so bad. Trouble is its that bloody word again IF
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ballane wrote:imanixsupporter wrote:As a matter of interest have you ever spoken to anyone that works for the club in management or any of the players. Would be interested to hear which of them this " culture of mediocrity" that you and others talk about comes from because its cerainly hasnt been something i have heard from anyone involved in the Phoenix.
On the basis of the article released, it seems Greenie's KPIs are work hard, instill pride, create moments to be proud of, get crowds back etc. No bullish ambition about making finals or winning titles or anything like that.
He's a club man through and through and as such it is hard to be hopeful that he will exorcise the culture of mediocrity that is so deeply embedded at the club. But it could be worse, we could still have Chiefy. Good luck Greenie
Its something you and others constantly throw around with little actual basis.
No, I have very little insight into the inner workings of the club. I say this based on what is communicated to the public by the club and the club's history (only club to never win a trophy, no finals games won since Ricki left, losing every derby game etc)
Edit: quote from Gill today "...so we’re confident we can put together a squad that should be pushing for the top six". Wow, such ambition. A squad that "should" be "pushing" for finals. This is what I mean by culture of mediocrity. You'd never hear such a statement from AFC.
Edit: quote from Gill today "...so we’re confident we can put together a squad that should be pushing for the top six". Wow, such ambition. A squad that "should" be "pushing" for finals. This is what I mean by culture of mediocrity. You'd never hear such a statement from AFC.
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Eze made it clear why he was here when he was announced so it was obvious why it was only a 1 year deal.
The club cant win they get moans when they sign 1 year deals and they get moans when they sign 2yr deals not sure i understand what people want.
Bullshit, your years of making excuses for Nix management are catching up on you.
Contract negotiations are a two way street.
The bosses were suspicious if they really were onto a good thing but didn’t have the noggin to say hey it’s a plus one deal. Take it or leave it.
99.9 per cent of players have aspirations to use the A league as a stepping stone.
He is just another one.
I’m hoping this sort of shit won’t happen with Greenacres input.
Contract negotiations are a two way street.
The bosses were suspicious if they really were onto a good thing but didn’t have the noggin to say hey it’s a plus one deal. Take it or leave it.
99.9 per cent of players have aspirations to use the A league as a stepping stone.
He is just another one.
I’m hoping this sort of shit won’t happen with Greenacres input.
Auckland will rise once more
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I mean sure, but also Kosta was magic for us and then was on the bench at WSW. Look at the response to Eze after we played Heidelberg. That 1 year is looking good then.
You’ve made this forum into talkback radio, where people state things unequivocally without any knowledge or basis and are constantly critical, which is just exhausting.
To win: either we lockdown the defense like Chief did or some other way,
Or we score a hatful as the Jets have done
Or we find a happy medium between those two.
Chief’s prescription is off the table for a while, so we better score a few goals and aim for the last option. This season had not enough defense for that, but not enough goals for the second, though we looked like that was possible on occasion.
You’ve made this forum into talkback radio, where people state things unequivocally without any knowledge or basis and are constantly critical, which is just exhausting.
To win: either we lockdown the defense like Chief did or some other way,
Or we score a hatful as the Jets have done
Or we find a happy medium between those two.
Chief’s prescription is off the table for a while, so we better score a few goals and aim for the last option. This season had not enough defense for that, but not enough goals for the second, though we looked like that was possible on occasion.
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coochiee wrote:AucklandPhoenix wrote:How is having Eze on 1 year deal compared to a 1+1, a mistake?
I don’t think players mind too much in today’s climate.
The key signings will in any case be the five imports and unless they are absolute proven guns, you would hope that they also would be 1 plus 1 deals (Learning from the recent mistakes of dud imports on two year deals and what turned into a gun - Eze only on a one)
All in all a good move. While he has been with the club in coaching roles for a long time, he is still relatively young for a coach, will have fresh ideas and no doubt has seen what hasn’t worked and getting the position sorted quickly is crucial to allow him to scan the world to get the best possible imports.
I hope it’s just the slant of the article but I am a little concerned with once again the major focus once again appears to be the derbies. That shouldn’t be such a focus and the Nix really should have learned their lessons on that by now.
Focus on themselves.
He's off in either circumstance.
Eze likely only wanted a 1 year deal. From his first interview he made it clear he hoped the A League would be his European shop window.
We've shown good imports kicking around that if they come to the Nix, even if we are shit, they will still likely get picked up for a bigger contract and on to bigger/better things afterwards - that's a good position to be in
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AucklandPhoenix wrote:ballane wrote:Bullshit, your years of making excuses for Nix management are catching up on you.
Eze made it clear why he was here when he was announced so it was obvious why it was only a 1 year deal.
The club cant win they get moans when they sign 1 year deals and they get moans when they sign 2yr deals not sure i understand what people want.
Contract negotiations are a two way street.
The bosses were suspicious if they really were onto a good thing but didn’t have the noggin to say hey it’s a plus one deal. Take it or leave it.
99.9 per cent of players have aspirations to use the A league as a stepping stone.
He is just another one.
I’m hoping this sort of shit won’t happen with Greenacres input.
The only BS is you yet agsin having a crack at the Phoenix by making false assumptions.
So let me get it straight so you would have rather not had Eze here at all. Because thats what our options were 1yr or he signs elsewhere.
I notice you dont touch on players getting 2 yr contracts that you also moaned about.
You really do have selective memory as i have called the club out plenty of times when i felt its been needed. Also unlike you my shots arnt behind the back but directed straight to the club.
So let me get it straight so you would have rather not had Eze here at all. Because thats what our options were 1yr or he signs elsewhere.
I notice you dont touch on players getting 2 yr contracts that you also moaned about.
You really do have selective memory as i have called the club out plenty of times when i felt its been needed. Also unlike you my shots arnt behind the back but directed straight to the club.
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People complaining about the 1 year contract are a little silly considering that is the entire reason he came here.
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People complaining about the 1 year contract are a little silly considering that is the entire reason he came here.
Is it? I feel like he just said something along those lines because he signed a 1 year deal? if we offered him 2 or 3 years I'm sure he would've taken it. He was playing in the Iraq league I don't think he would've had many better offers and even if he believed in himself that he'd be able to impress and get a move elsewhere after a year, he'd still take the extra security of a multi-year contract over a 1 year deal.
In saying that I don't blame the club at all for only signing him for 1 year, he was a gamble signing and after our recent import blips on multi year deals it was probably the right thing to do. iirc when he signed we were all very pessimistic about the signing and if was on a multi-year deal I'm sure people would've been even more upset.
In saying that I don't blame the club at all for only signing him for 1 year, he was a gamble signing and after our recent import blips on multi year deals it was probably the right thing to do. iirc when he signed we were all very pessimistic about the signing and if was on a multi-year deal I'm sure people would've been even more upset.
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