Wellington Phoenix Men

League Table 2011/12

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ's predict table now shows us finishing 2nd:


 Pl W D L F A GD Pts Central Coast Mariners 27 16 8 3 42 23 19 56 Wellington Phoenix 27 13 6 8 40 29 11 45 Brisbane Roar 27 12 8 7 46 30 16 44 Perth Glory 27 12 8 7 43 35 8 44 Newcastle Jets 27 10 7 10 41 43 -2 37 Melbourne Heart 27 8 9 10 34 34 0 33 Melbourne Victory 27 6 11 10 31 41 -10 29 Sydney FC 27 7 7 13 35 49 -14 28 Gold Coast United 27 5 9 13 28 37 -9 24 Adelaide United 27 5 9 13 28 47 -19 24
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ryan's Rovers wrote:
Would be feeling much happier if GCU could sneak the upset tomorrow. So very tight between 2nd and 4th.



Doubt that is going to happen.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Ryan's Rovers wrote:
Would be feeling much happier if GCU could sneak the upset tomorrow. So very tight between 2nd and 4th.



Would love to see it happen, but I really doubt it. Perth beat them when they weren't in form.

Next week against Brisbane is huge for us.WPFC12012-02-05 21:23:20
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I-I-Iffy wrote:
SiNZ's predict table now shows us finishing 2nd:


That's awesome, before the start of this round it had us in 4th place.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
patrick478 wrote:
I-I-Iffy wrote:
SiNZ's predict table now shows us finishing 2nd:


That's awesome, before the start of this round it had us in 4th place.


It thinks Jets will take points of our opposition

Edit: Also rates us a good chance against Sydney now. As do I.
I-I-Iffy2012-02-05 21:40:37
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I-I-Iffy wrote:


patrick478 wrote:
I-I-Iffy wrote:
SiNZ's predict table now shows us finishing 2nd:


That's awesome, before the start of this round it had us in 4th place.
It thinks Jets will take points of our opposition Edit: Also rates us a good chance against Sydney now. As do I.


I would be targeting 4 points from that away trip, a draw against CCM and a win against Sydney.

Also, I have noticed that both the trip to CCM/Sydney and Melbourne will result in minimal travel between the games. I'm assuming they team will stay in Sydney and then stay in Melbourne, which could be a huge bonus our 4 remaining away games.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I hope so. And Ricki to wear the lucky track suit? 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I-I-Iffy wrote:
Yeah I hope so. And Ricki to wear the lucky track suit?�



Of course, there's no question.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If only CCM didn't have that game in hand...
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
come on miron and gold coast tomorrow night!
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
raynes wrote:


Should be renamed Melbourne Draw


Came here to post this.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I had two games recorded, the Melbourne Darby or the Sydney/Newcastle game. I only had time to watch one. I chose the Melbourne one...

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I-I-Iffy wrote:
If only CCM didn't have that game in hand...
Have they announced when the game will be played? Feb 22nd was mentioned, but I have not seen it confirmed.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What's the rationale behind this "predict" table of SiNZ?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:
What's the rationale behind this "predict" table of SiNZ?


What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's a mathematical algorithm that I developed to give the spreadsheets a bit of fun. It uses a weighting of current form (most recent weighted most), which is then weighted against previous meetings between clubs (again, most recent weighted most) with current form given the most weighting if those two factors. There's a further weighting for home advantage. This produces a score that is indexed against a score distribution. The distribution is a weighted result of current season in-progress and prior seasons, with the weighting shifting as the season progresses. And the result is predicted scores. All objectively calculated, no subjective inputs (unless in a league with promotion/relegation there are no meetings between the two teams for more than 5 years, in which case I give it an educated base to use).
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Okay, cheers.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
It's a mathematical algorithm that I developed to give the spreadsheets a bit of fun. It uses a weighting of current form (most recent weighted most), which is then weighted against previous meetings between clubs (again, most recent weighted most) with current form given the most weighting if those two factors. There's a further weighting for home advantage. This produces a score that is indexed against a score distribution. The distribution is a weighted result of current season in-progress and prior seasons, with the weighting shifting as the season progresses. And the result is predicted scores. All objectively calculated, no subjective inputs (unless in a league with promotion/relegation there are no meetings between the two teams for more than 5 years, in which case I give it an educated base to use).

Awesome work

P.S. Have you accommodated for the Tards' inability to hold onto a lead?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yours to lose, Nix.

Don't choke!
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How do you choke Pie? Any tips? You do it so well.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ask Aziz Behich.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
It's a mathematical algorithm that I developed to give the spreadsheets a bit of fun. It uses a weighting of current form (most recent weighted most), which is then weighted against previous meetings between clubs (again, most recent weighted most) with current form given the most weighting if those two factors. There's a further weighting for home advantage. This produces a score that is indexed against a score distribution. The distribution is a weighted result of current season in-progress and prior seasons, with the weighting shifting as the season progresses. And the result is predicted scores. All objectively calculated, no subjective inputs (unless in a league with promotion/relegation there are no meetings between the two teams for more than 5 years, in which case I give it an educated base to use).
 
It's not mathematical unless you have "n, where n is a large number"
 
(this could be n = the number of times the Tards choke)
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmm,not sure you guys are quite across the whole 'choke' concept, so lemme break it down for ya.

Choking is when you're good enough to win, but you lose.

We've been terrible this season, therefore no choke.

Just not good enough.

You guys, however, ARE good enough.

Good luck.


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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Still sh*tting bricks every time I look at the Ladder!

We're still about 5 weeks from being able to really bask in the glory that is the A-League Finals.

Sure wish it was Round 27 already!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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kiwi pie wrote:
Hmm,not sure you guys are quite across the whole 'choke' concept, so lemme break it down for ya.

Choking is when you're good enough to win, but you lose.

We've been terrible this season, therefore no choke.Just not good enough.You guys, however, ARE good enough.Good luck.

This depends on what "good enough" is. Surely the MV club it self deems their team good enough to win every match they play (what with all the money they have spent and having the best player in australian football history on their books). So for me MV's whole season has been one long, loud, dramatic, (yet hilariously funny) choke.

Or is 'joke' a better word?
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kiwi pie wrote:
Hmm,not sure you guys are quite across the whole 'choke' concept, so lemme break it down for ya.

Choking is when you're good enough to win, but you lose.

We've been terrible this season, therefore no choke.Just not good enough.You guys, however, ARE good enough.Good luck.



Personally I find this post DISGUSTING!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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TopLeft07 wrote:
kiwi pie wrote:
Hmm,not sure you guys are quite across the whole 'choke' concept, so lemme break it down for ya.

Choking is when you're good enough to win, but you lose.

We've been terrible this season, therefore no choke.Just not good enough.You guys, however, ARE good enough.Good luck.

This depends on what "good enough" is. Surely the MV club it self deems their team good enough to win every match they play (what with all the money they have spent and having the best player in australian football history on their books). So for me MV's whole season has been one long, loud, dramatic, (yet hilariously funny) choke.

Or is 'joke' a better word?
Nah, jokes are funny (like 'Melbourne Draw!!111! LOLZ!!!)

The club may deem themselves to be  whatever they want, the facts speak for themselves. We're shizzle, fo rizzle.

And when did we sign Viduka?
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I know this is slightly off topic but seeing we are discussing MV I was wondering why some teams get written off as as probable wooden spooners i.e the Nix and other teams loaded with stars underperform i.e MV. Rickie has always been against the "buy a star" method of recruitment. Yet he has taken a team of solid players and with sound tactics and a great team spirit has got them into second place in the league.
 
Maybe the "rent a star" syndrome has a negative impact on a team. Maybe Kewell, who is an outstanding player is actually inhibiting the rest of the team. His "star quality" actually prevents the team from playing as a unit.
 
A recently published study of 1600 pro USA baseball players and their team performances showed that the teams that had were the most equal in terms of player incomes performed the best over a nine year study period.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is an interesting topic, but I think this thread has been hijacked enough.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So, Sydney and Melbourne to take the" whole team of stars approach" next season then Zinidane? That'll fix it, why stop at one star?
Skirt the salary cap rules ..after all its for the greater good of Aussie Football ..(soon to be owned by FootballStars Inc- you can like us on bookface )

just kidding...

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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TopLeft07 wrote:
kiwi pie wrote:
Hmm,not sure you guys are quite across the whole 'choke' concept, so lemme break it down for ya.

Choking is when you're good enough to win, but you lose.

We've been terrible this season, therefore no choke.Just not good enough.You guys, however, ARE good enough.Good luck.

This depends on what "good enough" is. Surely the MV club it self deems their team good enough to win every match they play (what with all the money they have spent and having the best player in australian football history on their books). So for me MV's whole season has been one long, loud, dramatic, (yet hilariously funny) choke.

Or is 'joke' a better word?
 
Not to mention their training facilities
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Getting back on topic is anyone slightly alarmed by Perth's form and position? I want second place and they have a game in hand and a pretty easy run home in comparison to us. Its going to take a real continuation of our away form to take this out.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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ahmad wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
It's a mathematical algorithm that I developed to give the spreadsheets a bit of fun. It uses a weighting of current form (most recent weighted most), which is then weighted against previous meetings between clubs (again, most recent weighted most) with current form given the most weighting if those two factors. There's a further weighting for home advantage. This produces a score that is indexed against a score distribution. The distribution is a weighted result of current season in-progress and prior seasons, with the weighting shifting as the season progresses. And the result is predicted scores. All objectively calculated, no subjective inputs (unless in a league with promotion/relegation there are no meetings between the two teams for more than 5 years, in which case I give it an educated base to use).

Awesome work

P.S. Have you accommodated for the Tards' inability to hold onto a lead?
Sorry....fell asleep rwading your post at algorithm zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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asmodeus_82 wrote:
Getting back on topic is anyone slightly alarmed by Perth's form and position? I want second place and they have a game in hand and a pretty easy run home in comparison to us. Its going to take a real continuation of our away form to take this out.
 
Agree and like us, they have learnt how to win away from home.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
RedGed wrote:
Bling and Tards stay out of top 6...noice work!
Please dear Football gods, allow this to stand come the end of the regular season.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
asmodeus_82 wrote:
Getting back on topic is anyone slightly alarmed by Perth's form and position? I want second place and they have a game in hand and a pretty easy run home in comparison to us. Its going to take a real continuation of our away form to take this out.


This. IMHO they are the biggest threat.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Please hope we don't meet Perth in the finals.....the two games we played them at home this season have been the two worst footballing experiances of my life! 
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
zinidane wrote:


Please hope we don't meet Perth in the finals.....the two games we played them at home this season have been the two worst footballing experiances of my life!�


I don't think Perth are good enough. We only lost to them cause we were really poor on the day.We are past all that now.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be honest, I don't mind if Bling FC make the play offs. They haven't been trumpeting like tards have. They have largely kept all their stuff low key.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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