Hail ___ the Chief - Giancarlo Italiano

Yep it sounds like he’s doing good work with a sports psychologist. That’s a very good outcome. All our greats that I read about did- sorry all cricketers- Hadlee, Crowe, Richardson…

It sounds like too he’s getting out of his own head and getting non-football time. I feel like he’s a guy who carries everything with him constantly and when that’s bad that’s not good. It’s really important to have and to use your support network. Plenty of us think it’s on us to get ourselves out of any difficulties we got ourselves into, and that’s not always the best way to go.

Also reading a little into Nagasawa as captain in the cup, I’d think there’s been some fruitful communication there. 

It probably means pre-memoir time we’re not getting any more explanation or reflection on the squad imbalance and personnel issues-they’re looking forward and trying to react to the problems, which we can see from the signings, and the promise of higher pressing.

Anyway hope he does well, and anyone unhappy after last season has a better time this year across the board.  

Hiring this Brazilian guy sounds interesting and I’m Phoenix till I die! 

I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

It's not the 1 season thing, it's all of the compounding parts that gave me my position. The inconsistent communication around players and their availability to the on field stuff.

The fact he lost the changing room is terrible, because that means the senior players... 1st year kids are just happy to be there if we are honest. Experienced pros expect a certain standard of coaching and expertise etc.

He's here, I will support him and hope he does well. He's a nice bloke to boot. But if anyone who reads that article doesn't come to the conclusion more strongly than before reading it, that he should of been let go is being disingenuous.

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

austin111

I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.

I think you are right, at this level you shouldn’t really keep your job under those circumstances (which may have actually been worse because this is Chief’s version). However, in another environment  its want you want, tough self analysis, appreciation and working hard to make things better.

I am now all for giving him a chance, but he is definitely on notice you’d think.

MetalLegNZ

It's not the 1 season thing, it's all of the compounding parts that gave me my position. The inconsistent communication around players and their availability to the on field stuff.

The fact he lost the changing room is terrible, because that means the senior players... 1st year kids are just happy to be there if we are honest. Experienced pros expect a certain standard of coaching and expertise etc.

He's here, I will support him and hope he does well. He's a nice bloke to boot. But if anyone who reads that article doesn't come to the conclusion more strongly than before reading it, that he should of been let go is being disingenuous.

That’s a very interesting and frank interview.

Good on him for being truthful.

But I can’t help thinking if any manager admitted that he had lost the dressing room at premiership level, they wouldn’t have a job for long.

I wonder if he admitted this during his actual reappointment job interview? 

If he did I cant however stop thinking that if this had came out in the media prior to that, he wouldn’t have a job this year.

Some things are better unsaid with the media and this may also prove to be a learning coaching experience for the chief 

I really hope he succeeds but can’t help thinking that he is a bit of a tortured soul and in this regard isn’t naturally suited for the top job.

Monto

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

austin111

I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.

Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch last season probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and potentially a lack of ability in the coaching staff and player group to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I also wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant and worked wonders with both WSW and then us defensively, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to bring in staff to help implement the system that the Phoenix want to play.

This is a quote from Kelly:
" Talking to Giancarlo we have a similar idea about how we’d like the team to play; with intensity, aggression and dominating possession. [...] In Brazil as a footballer and coach I have learned the players need the freedom to play and use their creativity. [...] I think we’re going to motivate the players to be free and create. "
https://aleagues.com.au/news/wellington-phoenix-news-assistant-coach-kelly-guimaraes-who-is-he-role-latest/

So, I don't think it's the fundamental football belief that's the issue from Giancarlo, and hopefully Kelly has the ability to help him achieve the vision.

Ryan

Monto

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

theprof

MetalLegNZ

I feel for the guy, but it does make his resigning all the more baffling.

Coaches can have a terrible season but still keep a dressing room. 

Regardless I hope whatever the outcome this season he stays in a good space mentally. 

1 bad season shouldnt mean you write someone off. I know its what happens in biger leagues but we are hardly a Man City where it's a given we perform well and have done for decades - giving Italiano a 1+1 gives him the olive branch and time to reflect and grow as a coach but still the "you need to improve things" o that +1 doesnt eventuate.

austin111

I wish him well for the season. Quite an honest upfront confession. The statement about losing the dressing room indicates it was not a happy place by seasons end. Probably partly explains why we lost Costa and Sutton and half the coaching staff. 
We just have to hope we have a stable season because if not things could get a bit ugly

Whilst I agree that it's nice I don't really see what us not being a big league has to do with it. If the coach sucks then he needs to go and let some new ideas flourish.

The issue with Chiefy as a coach will always be that is beliefs around how football should be played are going to continue to be shown to be incompatable with being an entertaining team. And in my opinion, if you aren't going to win the league (unlikely for us) you had better be fun if you want to continue to ask for punters to stump up their hard earned cash, especially in a recession.

We should have said thanks but no thanks and given Greenacre the chance he's earned over the years. That's even nicer. Though I suspect we'll see him sooner rather than later anyway.

Chief always talks about coaches like Biesla as an example of how he wants to play and what his belief in football is. I.e. high press,  possession based, and players constantly rotating.

In his first season he inherited a team that couldn't play that way, but in season two he put an emphasis on bringing in players that had the flexibility to play in that sort of system. 

The fact that we didn't see that on the pitch last season probably reflects a lack of confidence after the team started to flounder, and potentially a lack of ability in the coaching staff and player group to implement it, rather than his belief in how football should be played. He said it would take a couple of months until the team was playing how he wanted, but after a strong start the season started to fall apart and I wonder if that shook him.

I also wonder if Adam Griffiths, who by all accounts is a defensive minded assistant and worked wonders with both WSW and then us defensively, being replaced by Kelly Guimarães is an effort to bring in staff to help implement the system that the Phoenix want to play.

he has also previously talked about De Zerbi a lot, who at Brighton (I haven't seen Marseille play) loved to invite a press and create vertical space and transitional moments

Dont have an issue with him being given another chance, where i will have an issue is if the club dosnt back up what they have spoken about. That is last year was unacceptable and things have to change. 
If they dont and the style and the results look similar they have to move quickly and make changes and not waste yet another year.

Yipe you'd hope that if it is all looking dire again by Christmas, he either walks the plank or the club for the first time sack a coach. If just can't be a whole season repeat of last's dirge.

If Greeny does well with the U20s in Chile, there will for sure be some extra pressure on Chief. The 2nd half against Wrexham being the small start of that pressure valve being applied, not that in any way is it evident Chris is looking to undermine Giancarlo.

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

Since2007

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

Not sure Chiefy was 1st choice for the role this season but other candidates may have wanted higher salary.  Get what you pay for.

Since2007

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

I'm not sure a different manager could do much with the current squad. 
Which is why I didn't mind Chiefy being resigned for a year and seeing if he could do something with this squad, and if not the manger next season will have a clean slate of imports to build from and weed out which academy players are good enough as a lot of them will have been given enough time to show if they can make the step up.

wilbaker

Since2007

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

I'm not sure a different manager could do much with the current squad. 
Which is why I didn't mind Chiefy being resigned for a year and seeing if he could do something with this squad, and if not the manger next season will have a clean slate of imports to build from and weed out which academy players are good enough as a lot of them will have been given enough time to show if they can make the step up.

It's his squad and the team is clearly underperforming. A new, better, coach could have started in the long pre-season rebuilding a few month ago, or after the 6:1 trashing, where they tried to put all there heart in.

number8

wilbaker

Since2007

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

I'm not sure a different manager could do much with the current squad. 
Which is why I didn't mind Chiefy being resigned for a year and seeing if he could do something with this squad, and if not the manger next season will have a clean slate of imports to build from and weed out which academy players are good enough as a lot of them will have been given enough time to show if they can make the step up.

It's his squad and the team is clearly underperforming. A new, better, coach could have started in the long pre-season rebuilding a few month ago, or after the 6:1 trashing, where they tried to put all there heart in.

I think a better coach can improve us, as the Jets probably had a worst squad and finished higher but I just don't think a better coach will be able to get us a whole lot better with our current squad. It would be interesting to see though if Chiefy starts poorly and the board decide to go with Greenacre for the rest of the season if we improve or not. 

Since2007

So, Chiefy lost the dressing room last year, his recruitment of both domestic and foreign players was poor, and his tactics were dour and anti-football. Yet he keeps his job. Most of the backroom staff leave, a lot of our better players from the season leave (Only Rufer and Payne from our Semi Final squad remain). If a head coach isn't responsible for morale, recruitment and tactics what are they there for? Baffling decision from the higher ups, especially when Talay was under pressure in Sydney, Veart just left Adelaide and Des was floating around the country at the back-end of the season. 

94 minutes to score against a relegation threatened div 3 side, and a 4-0 thrashing against an (albeit strong) NPL side. It's tough to see where the goals and results will come from this season. 

Yes, I know there's some anti-negativity folks in the forum, however I love this club and want the best for it, and collectively ignoring or tolerating all the glaring issues won't do the club any favours. How many other top flight clubs can say they've never sacked a manager in 18 years? 

We all know what's best for the club, you do too. 

It's starts with the two blokes at the top. The ladies had a clear out, why not the men as well?

The men's team didn't exactly have a Bev Priestman falling into their laps.

Without knowing what options and budget were available I can't say that keeping Chief on was the wrong call. That said, he has a lot of work to do if he wants to last to the end of this season, let alone beyond it.

It's a big risk long term as well for him. Had he left last year perhaps his start as a manager would still be looked at reasonably promisingly. Fail again this year, he can't argue he wasn't given the time to embed his ideas etc.

Nelfoos

The men's team didn't exactly have a Bev Priestman falling into their laps.

Without knowing what options and budget were available I can't say that keeping Chief on was the wrong call. That said, he has a lot of work to do if he wants to last to the end of this season, let alone beyond it.

Your right about Priestman but there were decent options floating around for the men's side earlier this year. I bet there still are now. One is at Heidelberg. John Anastasiadis. Just look at his record:
 
- VPL/ NPL Championship: 2006, 2015, 2017, 2019
- NPL Premiers: 2016
- Dockerty Cup: 2016, 2018
- FFV Charity Shield: 2016, 2018, 2019
- 2 A League scalps 2025/6 so far.
He's on his way to more glory this season.

I do also think Greenie is due a decent go, although I wonder if he's chosen not to, in case he fails and gets forced out.

You're right the Heidleberg coach does look like he has the good, yet when he left WU as their assistant no other Aleague clubs picked him up? I wonder why?

theprof

You're right the Heidleberg coach does look like he has the good, yet when he left WU as their assistant no other Aleague clubs picked him up? I wonder why?

Not every coach sees working abroad (Wellington or wherever) as a way to get their career on the right track. Some prefer staying in Australia and do not go off coaching abroad at all (John Aloisi) while some do (Ross Aloisi).

I’m not sure how accurate that reading is. Chief was at the end of his contract so no buy out required, Greenie is already employed by the club and would only need a salary top up.

Nelfoos

The men's team didn't exactly have a Bev Priestman falling into their laps.

Without knowing what options and budget were available I can't say that keeping Chief on was the wrong call. That said, he has a lot of work to do if he wants to last to the end of this season, let alone beyond it.

Retaining Chiefy and then apparently not backing him very much in the transfer market (none of our signings scream ambition) is the worst of all worlds

Napier Phoenix

I’m not sure how accurate that reading is. Chief was at the end of his contract so no buy out required, Greenie is already employed by the club and would only need a salary top up.

Nelfoos

The men's team didn't exactly have a Bev Priestman falling into their laps.

Without knowing what options and budget were available I can't say that keeping Chief on was the wrong call. That said, he has a lot of work to do if he wants to last to the end of this season, let alone beyond it.

And you know for certain he wanted the gig?

That is not a very good retort Nelfoos, the opposite is true of you too.

Nelfoos

Napier Phoenix

I’m not sure how accurate that reading is. Chief was at the end of his contract so no buy out required, Greenie is already employed by the club and would only need a salary top up.

Nelfoos

The men's team didn't exactly have a Bev Priestman falling into their laps.

Without knowing what options and budget were available I can't say that keeping Chief on was the wrong call. That said, he has a lot of work to do if he wants to last to the end of this season, let alone beyond it.

And you know for certain he wanted the gig?

You're the one claiming Greenacre wanted the job, not me. I'm not claiming any knowledge either way.

You make the assertion, you back it up.

Greenie is the nz u20 coach and has the World Cup in chilli (think it’s chilli, apologies if it’s wrong) so taking a head coach role of any ALM team would probably mean he would have to step down from that role….. plus he’s under contract for that role until after the World Cup that takes place during the season.
I’m not saying he wants the role or was offered it, just that he’s under contract already 

I wonder if they will be walking out to the Red Hot Chile Peppers at the u20 world cup like the Nix and All Whites do

imanixsupporter

Retaining Chiefy and then apparently not backing him very much in the transfer market (none of our signings scream ambition) is the worst of all worlds

apparently? where has it been suggested that the club havent back Italianos signings? A budget isnt a demonstration of not backing it's simply a direction of not to be stupid with the money.
If Italiano/Gill cant find good aleague level players within a budget then they are in the wrong job.

imanixsupporter

I wonder if they will be walking out to the Red Hot Chile Peppers at the u20 world cup like the Nix and All Whites do

Prefer the Red Hot Chilli Pipers myself 😬

theprof

imanixsupporter

Retaining Chiefy and then apparently not backing him very much in the transfer market (none of our signings scream ambition) is the worst of all worlds

apparently? where has it been suggested that the club havent back Italianos signings? A budget isnt a demonstration of not backing it's simply a direction of not to be stupid with the money.
If Italiano/Gill cant find good aleague level players within a budget then they are in the wrong job.

Would suggest the finding them is the easy part, its the convincing them to come to the Phoenix and Wellington that could be the hard part.

I said apparently because that is how it appears to me, but of course I wouldnt know.

I think the whole convincing them to come side of things is overstated, at the end of the day the most important thing by some distance is money, you put up enough money and you will get a quality player (so long as they are willing to relocate in general, of course). A minority of players will take less money for better environments and coaches but I think it is probably quite rare for players to be that romantic. 

imanixsupporter

I said apparently because that is how it appears to me, but of course I wouldnt know.

I think the whole convincing them to come side of things is overstated, at the end of the day the most important thing by some distance is money, you put up enough money and you will get a quality player (so long as they are willing to relocate in general, of course). A minority of players will take less money for better environments and coaches but I think it is probably quite rare for players to be that romantic. 

Is  convincing them to come over stated though, even you said " so long as they are willing to relocate in general, of course"
Has been stated before that this is an issue and pretty sure we have had players and there families who have moved as they didnt want to be here. Sometimes money dosnt do it and not sure where the "enough money" is coming from at the moment.

YellowAndBlack

Greenie is the nz u20 coach and has the World Cup in chilli (think it’s chilli, apologies if it’s wrong) so taking a head coach role of any ALM team would probably mean he would have to step down from that role….. plus he’s under contract for that role until after the World Cup that takes place during the season.
I’m not saying he wants the role or was offered it, just that he’s under contract already 

At a quiz night, the answer to a question was  Chile 🇨🇱 and as above my team mate scribbled down the hot 🔥 vegetable 🌶 

I politely mentioned that was incorrect, as she told me she had actually traveled there.

imanixsupporter

I said apparently because that is how it appears to me, but of course I wouldnt know.

I think the whole convincing them to come side of things is overstated, at the end of the day the most important thing by some distance is money, you put up enough money and you will get a quality player (so long as they are willing to relocate in general, of course). A minority of players will take less money for better environments and coaches but I think it is probably quite rare for players to be that romantic. 

yeah, it's all about the money, but the club isnt gonna throgh massive amounts of money to sign players - hence having a budget or maximum spend, no point in over spending, we're not selling players under value so why would we over spend on players?

YellowAndBlack

Greenie is the nz u20 coach and has the World Cup in chilli (think it’s chilli, apologies if it’s wrong) so taking a head coach role of any ALM team would probably mean he would have to step down from that role….. plus he’s under contract for that role until after the World Cup that takes place during the season.
I’m not saying he wants the role or was offered it, just that he’s under contract already 

Where's the Spelling Referee when you need him

coochiee

YellowAndBlack

Greenie is the nz u20 coach and has the World Cup in chilli (think it’s chilli, apologies if it’s wrong) so taking a head coach role of any ALM team would probably mean he would have to step down from that role….. plus he’s under contract for that role until after the World Cup that takes place during the season.
I’m not saying he wants the role or was offered it, just that he’s under contract already 

At a quiz night, the answer to a question was  Chile 🇨🇱 and as above my team mate scribbled down the hot 🔥 vegetable 🌶 

I politely mentioned that was incorrect, as she told me she had actually traveled there.

I new I had written something wrong for the life of me I couldn’t figure it out but yes chilli the fruit is not chile the country. Thank you for letting me see the error of my ways Did you still get a point is the bigger question?