New FIFA inititive would impact on the Phoenix
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Sepp Blatter with the full support of the FIFA executive are considering implementing a new "6 plus 5" player ratio. That is, ever club must play at least 6 local players available to represent the country.
Link...www.stuff.co.nz/14441262a/18075.html
For the Phoenix it would mean that the situation with so many Australian players would have to be sorted out. Or are we registered as an Aussie club? Probably not such a big deal as we would normally field Moss, Lockhead,Brown,Smeltz,Bertos and Coveny/Barbarouses.
The impact globally would be huge especially in the EPL. If this rule did come in there would be hundreds of players on the market. Great for the Phoenix to pick up new recruits.
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Another situation where being in another country's league becomes a bit tricky. I'm sure they'll come up with some work-around solution for the small group of clubs, like us, that are based in one country and play in another.
Would be interesting if their solution was to make us field 6 Kiwis. Wonder if they would also make Cardiff field 6 Welsh?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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wow that would really impact on the big four teams in the EPL and Europe.
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wow that would really impact on the big four teams in the EPL and Europe.
It's gonna be impossible for FIFA to implement this, EU is a common labour market for citizens of all the countries in the union, and FIFA would get their arses sued penniless if they tried to enforce it.
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That is the stupidest rule ever. wtf it would never work. if you had a keeper who was local, your keeper on the bench would have to be local, coz if he gets injured you cant replace him with a foreigner otherwise you would upset the balance. every player would have to have cover from the correct nation for his position.
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Totally disagree with Uber...
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Where is the local affinity, the path for young players..
What if the Nix had no Kiwis???
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Stupid idea, will never happen.
People have to get over their xenophobia and accept that the game is global.
People have to get over their xenophobia and accept that the game is global.
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what a ridiculous idea. an idea presumably aimed at europe which would get eaten up by the european union. has daft connotations to as ubergunner pointed out
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Where is the local affinity, the path for young players..
What if the Nix had no Kiwis???
.... then they'd be the knights
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Totally disagree with Uber...
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Where is the local affinity, the path for young players..
What if the Nix had no Kiwis???
Lets be clear here Arsenal may not have many English players in the top team, but Wenger spends a truck load of time and money in developing the youth in the club! This rule will not work in thge EPL simply because the quality of English players is lower than those elsewhere! With this rule in play i reckon the EPL's qulaity will drop dramatically.
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wow that would really impact on the big four teams in the EPL and Europe.
It's gonna be impossible for FIFA to implement this, EU is a common labour market for citizens of all the countries in the union, and FIFA would get their arses sued penniless if they tried to enforce it.
Not so much. The EU are currently reshaping the common labour market. Part of that process is defining specific exemptions and professional sport has been on that list from the get go. Sportspeople will come under greater labour regulation in the EU in the not-too-distant future and it is possible that FIFA will dovetail in with that to implement these nationhood policies.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Totally disagree with Uber...
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Where is the local affinity, the path for young players..
What if the Nix had no Kiwis???
Agree! Teams like MIGHTY SUNDERLAND with good development for youth would come through the ranks, would stop the current situation where whoever has the most money wins
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Totally disagree with Uber...
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Where is the local affinity, the path for young players..
What if the Nix had no Kiwis???
Lets be clear here Arsenal may not have many English players in the top team, but Wenger spends a truck load of time and money in developing the youth in the club! This rule will not work in thge EPL simply because the quality of English players is lower than those elsewhere! With this rule in play i reckon the EPL's qulaity will drop dramatically.
Absolutely agree with those sentiments. It will have a major kick on effect to other leagues too. The French and Spanish leagues you'd have to expect to strengthen. Particularly Ligue 1 which will - you'd think - get back a bunch of Franco-Africans as well as out-and-out Frenchies.
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I'd stop following the EPL if this happened. I don't want to watch a bunch of English hacks and, let's face it, the quality of the league would severely drop.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
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Don't forget the impact this will have on Kiwis. Would Ryan Nelsen be good enough to hold down one of the +5 spots at Blackburn? Probably. Would Simon Elliot still be at Fulham? Probably not.
What about Kiwis in the A-League? They'll have to fit into a +5 model as well presumably (although perhaps not at the Nix).
Effectively the idea here is to strengthen countries' domestic clubs' links to the national team - for Kiwis you'd have to say that it would be a disaster.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I'd stop following the EPL if this happened.
I bet you wouldn't.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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I'd stop following the EPL if this happened.
I bet you wouldn't.
It won't happen anyway, so I needn't worry.
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I'm not saying a quota is a bad idea but forcing a 6/5 split on a fielded team is impractical and unimplementable- it wont work. If you made the rule based on the squad, not the fielded team you might have some luck.
The point about Arsenal is spurious. In 10 years time most of the top four will have no English players because the youth setup in england is crap and there is not enough high end English talent out there to go around. (the price of English players is hugely over inflated)
If the phoenix were forced to implement a team in the a-league with only 5 imports allowed (including Australians) we would be kicked out of the league in a couple of years. The kiwi players price tag would skyrocket (based on demand), and all the other a-league teams could have 1 or 2 decent kiwis each and there would be f**k all left for us to build a competitive squad with.
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if the nix had no kiwis i wouldnt care, as long as they were good players. it's not the NZ phoenix it's a club.
it sounds like a stupid and impractical rule. brazililian league would get a whole heap better as would italy, france, argentina. disaster time for players whose home countries are no good though. rodfarva2008-03-18 10:34:43
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If the phoenix were forced to implement a team in the a-league with only 5 imports allowed (including Australians) we would be kicked out of the league in a couple of years. The kiwi players price tag would skyrocket (based on demand),
wouldnt it drop based on demand? whole lot of players competing for 6 (starting) spots?
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What do Martin Devlin and Arsenal supporters have in common...
They are part-time supporters...
Shallow Hal has more substance
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wow that would really impact on the big four teams in the EPL and Europe.
It's gonna be impossible for FIFA to implement this, EU is a common labour market for citizens of all the countries in the union, and FIFA would get their arses sued penniless if they tried to enforce it.
Not so much. The EU are currently reshaping the common labour market. Part of that process is defining specific exemptions and professional sport has been on that list from the get go. Sportspeople will come under greater labour regulation in the EU in the not-too-distant future and it is possible that FIFA will dovetail in with that to implement these nationhood policies.
Exactly. There has been a strong push in Europe to make exemptions for sport under EU labour rules. The fact that Blatter has come out strongly on this issue suggests that they think they have a very good case. I thinkj this new " 6 plus 5" ratio has a very strong chance of succeeding.
It has huge implications for kiwis.... apart from Nelson most of our kiwi's playing in Europe are well down the feeding chain. Many would lose there jobs. It could lead to a drift of kiwi players back to the Phoenix. It would be fantastic to have the majority of the Phoenix squad New Zealanders.
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it'd kill off the chances many young kiwis (and other countries with crap home leagues) to go play abroad.
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meh, rule will never happen. Never.
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That is fundamentally wrong, it would increase the chances of Kiwi's. A lot of Kiwis have patriality or are able to obtain British passports through having British parents. Pelter is an example.
We have no more or less players in the top divisions than we have had in the 80's. There have only been two regulars, Ryan and Wynton.
There have also been others on the fringes over the decades. Simon, Ricky, Che.. Mike Mcgarry tried England but struggled with the trainings and discipline, had the talent.
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Shallow Hal has more substance..
..than your xenophobic argument.
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That is fundamentally wrong, it would increase the chances of Kiwi's. A lot of Kiwis have patriality or are able to obtain British passports through having British parents. Pelter is an example.
We have no more or less players in the top divisions than we have had in the 80's. There have only been two regulars, Ryan and Wynton.
There have also been others on the fringes over the decades. Simon, Ricky, Che.. Mike Mcgarry tried England but struggled with the trainings and discipline, had the talent.
but for those who don't have brit passports? maybe we have no more or less because our players aren't that good. can't see how banishing the majority of them to the domestic league in NZ is going to help improve the talent.
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Ah a One trick pony...
We can go on all day, you realise that Arsenal's days are numbered and the rest of the world don't care..
Bring back "Boring Boring Arsenal"...
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I'd stop following the EPL if this happened. I don't want to watch a bunch of English hacks and, let's face it, the quality of the league would severely drop.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
Spoken like a true Arsenal fan....
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Totally disagree with Uber...
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Something must be done, the current situation with teams such as Arsenal not even fielding one English player in an English comp is complete madness.
Indeed. We have foreign players, foreign coaches and foreign owners.... so why was everyone shocked when they came up with the idea of playing games in foreign countries!
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I'd stop following the EPL if this happened. I don't want to watch a bunch of English hacks and, let's face it, the quality of the league would severely drop.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
It would make La Liga and Serie A relatively more attractive though.
Spoken like a true Arsenal fan....
It seems some people are taking what I said out of context. I never said I'd stop supporting Arsenal, I said I'd stop following the EPL (as in I wouldn't watch any other games - the quality of the majority of the EPL football is terrible enough let alone forcing teams to field more English hacks).
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I'm not saying a quota is a bad idea but forcing a 6/5 split on a fielded team is impractical and unimplementable- it wont work. If you made the rule based on the squad, not the fielded team you might have some luck.
It worked before when quotas were in force - three foreigners max. Only the scatter-gun application of EU employment laws forced it to be abandoned. Even then, no-one anticipated that one country's league would end up dominating.
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If this happens then there would be a general worldwide drift of players back to their country of origin. It would strenghten leagues all over the world. There are currently about 150+ Australians playing off shore. Imagine if even half of them came back to play in the A-League. You could easily support a 14 team competition.....it would be a good standard comp too.
It would suck some of the glamour out of the EPL but the English game would come out better in the long term.
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Shallow Hal has more substance..
..than your xenophobic argument.
Xenophobe? Does that mean you don't support New Zealand or England or Italy (delete as appropriate) on the grounds of xenophobia?
Hmm. You sound like Wenger - a man who said in a 442 interview, he doesn't believe in national football. He only likes club football because only then can you pick the best players. He's one of the set that would be happy to see the World Cup forgotten about as the Champions League is "superior". An argument that only works if you happen to be a fan of the elite and the majority of fans do not support the big 4 in England even though those clubs boast the biggest following individually.
The structure of European football is based on nationality. For example, the number of qualifying spots are assigned to countries on the basis of average performance of all clubs from that country over the previous 5 years and individual club seedings are made up of two elements - 50% from that specific club's record and 50% from all clubs from that country.
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It doesn't matter whether one thinks clubs or countries are more important. The important distinction is that a country fields those of domestic origin, while a club fields those that are the best.
Why try and confuse the two?
Why try and confuse the two?
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Exactly, most if not all clubs are of the Franchise variety, therefore can populate their team with whomever they feel fits best, unlike the Rugby in NZ where the national body drives the player pool and where ppl play. i hope FIFA doesn't go down that route.
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You accused someone of being xenophobic, which immediately confuses the two.
The basis of club football has always been representation. Within a country populations have always been too fluid to nail down the representation as being of local origins - though when a city's local does come through you can see the pride with which they are adopted as a fans' favourite. Clubs are not franchises.
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Don't forget the impact this will have on Kiwis. Would Ryan Nelsen be good enough to hold down one of the +5 spots at Blackburn? Probably. Would Simon Elliot still be at Fulham? Probably not.
What about Kiwis in the A-League? They'll have to fit into a +5 model as well presumably (although perhaps not at the Nix).
Effectively the idea here is to strengthen countries' domestic clubs' links to the national team - for Kiwis you'd have to say that it would be a disaster.
Other than at the Nix this would have zero effect since Kiwis are treated as imports for the Aussie teams so the maximum they could ever have is 4. Besides, what Aussie team would ever 4 Kiwis in it?
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Clubs are not franchises.
How are they not franchises? they are privately owned companies playing in a league, they finance themselves ie do not get support from a national body, unlike say NZ rugby and the super 14 teams. All EPL and Europe is frnachise based as is the A-League
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