Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
And it's possible that Talay looked at Semmy and considered him a 7/10. But decided to chase a 9/10. Failed to, and therefore goes back to his 7/10 option
I'd rather wait for the right player than throw a contract at the wrong player, especially when it isn't clear if Semmy is actually an improvement to the team.
Valley FC til I die?
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
I know I'm probably not going to convince most people here but I think that he deserves a shot and that he would be cheaper and no more of a gamble than a hypothetical striker from outside Aus/NZ. The hit rate for imports especially attacking imports for both the Nix and the A League more broadly, is not very good. Add in the late timing right now which shrinks the available pool and I say give this guy a chance to prove he can step up. I think many people are way too optimistic about our ability to secure someone who is manifestly a safer bet at this point.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
And it's possible that Talay looked at Semmy and considered him a 7/10. But decided to chase a 9/10. Failed to, and therefore goes back to his 7/10 option
I'd rather wait for the right player than throw a contract at the wrong player, especially when it isn't clear if Semmy is actually an improvement to the team.
Yip, obviously, that's possible too
And when you think about the massive pool of unattached players around the world, why rush in to anything?
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).
The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).
The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?
To flip your point about Krishna around though, if he had been given a pro contract and a year to get up to speed earlier, what would his career have looked like? Surely he didn't develop more playing semi-pro (Semmy-Pro?) in NZ than he would have being in a fully professional environment. Other players have made the step up from NZFC/Aus state leagues before too. Sigmund and Manny both spring to mind. I'm sure it is a big step up but now is as good a time as any to give him that opportunity because the opportunity cost to the club is incredibly low IMO
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Man is saw 19 posts and thought some news had emerged!
I don't think we should sign Semmy now but if we had signed him a couple of months back with a full preseason in a professional environment it does look a bit better than signing someone in January, as we could even release Tommy in January if it all when tits up.
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).
The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?
To flip your point about Krishna around though, if he had been given a pro contract and a year to get up to speed earlier, what would his career have looked like? Surely he didn't develop more playing semi-pro (Semmy-Pro?) in NZ than he would have being in a fully professional environment. Other players have made the step up from NZFC/Aus state leagues before too. Sigmund and Manny both spring to mind. I'm sure it is a big step up but now is as good a time as any to give him that opportunity because the opportunity cost to the club is incredibly low IMO
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
End of the day think its actually good that Talay dosnt appear to want to sign people to just make up the squad.At this early stage you have have confidence in him if he thinks he can go with what he has at the moment.This way there is the January window if he thinks he need someone else.
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Thought he had been given a trial and didn't get a contract,if that's the case.Why would we sign him now.
That's right. The other thing also, going back to Krishna, is that he managed to get to the A-league only on his third go - his first two trials with A-league clubs failed. It is a bigger step up than most people realise (although it's probably a bit easier now than a few years back).
Very early on with us, maybe around 2008? And then with North Queensland Fury, which may have been around 2010 or 2011?
The point I guess is that it took Krishna years to get to the A-league - it wasn't just one year of adjusting to the league. it took a lot of hard work from him to get there, and even then he needed an adjustment period. Like I said, it's a big step up; it's not just a matter of playing against better players, but levels of fitness, tactical understanding, developing consistency and maintaining it for a longer period of time, mental aspects of the game are all much bigger factors in the professional game and they're not attained easily (or at all for some players).
The comment about if Semmy was a Kiwi is interesting, because on the flipside you have someone like Hamish Watson whose record at Handy Prem is very similar (34 goals in 64 games) and achieved over a longer period of time than Semmy's. Yet no-one is really calling for Watto to be signed (well. not seriously) because he just isn't good enough at the A-league level. So why should Semmy be signed, when he brings the additional baggage of being an import?
To flip your point about Krishna around though, if he had been given a pro contract and a year to get up to speed earlier, what would his career have looked like? Surely he didn't develop more playing semi-pro (Semmy-Pro?) in NZ than he would have being in a fully professional environment. Other players have made the step up from NZFC/Aus state leagues before too. Sigmund and Manny both spring to mind. I'm sure it is a big step up but now is as good a time as any to give him that opportunity because the opportunity cost to the club is incredibly low IMO
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
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Yep, that's true too. My final point on this is that the club has actually signed by far the best goal-scorer in the Handy Prem, and one of the best players in that league over the last two seasons. So with McCowatt, and Waine too, we're already asking two of our forwards to step up this season. Getting in another one, who's notably older and an import (and a much less impressive goal-scoring record than McCowatt) is a fair amount of risk in a squad that is very low on A-league (and professional in general) experience already.
Yep, that's true too. My final point on this is that the club has actually signed by far the best goal-scorer in the Handy Prem, and one of the best players in that league over the last two seasons. So with McCowatt, and Waine too, we're already asking two of our forwards to step up this season. Getting in another one, who's notably older and an import (and a much less impressive goal-scoring record than McCowatt) is a fair amount of risk in a squad that is very low on A-league (and professional in general) experience already.
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Yep, I expect him to become a starter in the first third of the season, if not sooner.
Just great, we don't even have a full squad and our 1st game is this week! We are not gonna have anyone till Jan I bet. This is ridiculous we are gonna get the wooden spoon for sure now.
Mr Positive
Back to throwing out random free agents?
Jari Oosterwijk
Would be potentially a good signing. Still very young but seems like has fitness issues had heart surgery in the past.
Would be nice to have a striker with a bit of physical presence, too. 6'4''
Sutton never officially signed huh? Any word on why he's not at least a Scholarship?
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Interesting that you don't rate Cacace.
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Interesting that you don't rate Cacace.
Sutton never officially signed huh? Any word on why he's not at least a Scholarship?
He may well be the last one signed - we need one more, after all, and I haven't heard any whispers except for maybe Lewis.
a.haak
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Interesting that you don't rate Cacace.
I don't think so. Not what he said and only one of those three started their career in the Handa Premiership.
If one is going to make up random criteria to eliminate data so it can support one's opinion one should define that criteria and make sure their dataset fulfills that criteria.
May as well say every Argentinian who ever played for us is ordinary, that's a low hit rare, should turn down Messi if he comes knocking.
Obviously every academy player as well as Fenton came from the top flight nz comp.
Sutton never officially signed huh? Any word on why he's not at least a Scholarship?
Boo! I was hoping click through to see some Rick Astley!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Interesting that you don't rate Cacace.
I don't think so. Not what he said and only one of those three started their career in the Handa Premiership.
If one is going to make up random criteria to eliminate data so it can support one's opinion one should define that criteria and make sure their dataset fulfills that criteria.
May as well say every Argentinian who ever played for us is ordinary, that's a low hit rare, should turn down Messi if he comes knocking.
No CO, he is obviously talking about older guys, who have been signed by the Nix directly from the Handy Prem. Not guys coming through the Academy.
Successes - Sigmund, Riera & Krishna.
Failures (that I can think of) - Watson, Totori & Gulley.
To early to say - Payne & TWH. In a way McCowatt is sort of in that bracket, as not via Academy.
Semmy is an older type guy playing in the Handy Prem, so above players are sort of his peers (if he was signed by the Nix).
List excludes those coming through the WeeNix Academy who have played in Handy Prem - like Cacace, Singh, Rufer etc - as this is different to Semmy's situation.
Leilei Gao.
Who knows - he may have failed, and never gone on to become a pro-footballer. Or not. A lot of it depends on the timing, and the circumstances. I just can't see how the circumstances here are right to take a punt on someone like Semmy.
As for step-ups, I think there's a difference between Handy Prem and Aussie state leagues. Only three players have ever really gone on to be good players at A-league level: Siggy, Riera, and Krishna. Of those, only Riera was able to slot in off the bat, the other two needed time to get up to speed. That's not really a great strike rate over 12 years of the club.
And even for Aussie state leagues, for every Manny there's a Jimmy Downey, Nick Tsattalios, Reece Caira, Josh Brindell-South, and so on. So the strike rate for players coming for lower levels is pretty low, and when a player in question is an import, the risk is getting a bit too much.
Interesting that you don't rate Cacace.
I don't think so. Not what he said and only one of those three started their career in the Handa Premiership.
If one is going to make up random criteria to eliminate data so it can support one's opinion one should define that criteria and make sure their dataset fulfills that criteria.
May as well say every Argentinian who ever played for us is ordinary, that's a low hit rare, should turn down Messi if he comes knocking.
Clearly guys who were at the Nix academy as teenagers and trained as professionals from the age of 16 are the same as guys who play in the Handy Prem as glorified amateurs.
Obviously.
Watson wasn't older, he was 20 when he first played for the nix.
Okay semantics, but it was mostly a journeyman route to having a serious crack at the A League.
Definitely not an Academy kid.
Watson wasn't older, he was 20 when he first played for the nix.
Okay semantics, but it was mostly a journeyman route to having a serious crack at the A League.
Definitely not an Academy kid.
Not drastically different than Fentons route though.
I notice Hiroyuki Takasaki is liking Nix posts on instagram as recently as today. Could that be a sign he is still coming here?
I notice Hiroyuki Takasaki is liking Nix posts on instagram as recently as today. Could that be a sign he is still coming here?
I got a good vibe from his highlights. It's a great chance for him and he's clearly a good pro. He might not be as good as Cillian (then again he might), but a bit more experience, a good attitude and tactical versatility in the squad seems like a better idea than not.
Would awesome if the club could offer a half season deal running til January with an option to extend until the end of the year. That would leave the club with plenty of options.
I'd wager that's not possible.
I notice Hiroyuki Takasaki is liking Nix posts on instagram as recently as today. Could that be a sign he is still coming here?
I got a good vibe from his highlights. It's a great chance for him and he's clearly a good pro. He might not be as good as Cillian (then again he might), but a bit more experience, a good attitude and tactical versatility in the squad seems like a better idea than not.
Plays in the same team and has played on a very similar level to Ryo Nagai - who i thought was very good at the Glory despite having some bad luck with Injuries at the time. If Takasaki performs to a similar level, he should be a decent A-League striker.