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Nix Transfer Speculation 2019-20

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over 6 years ago

Where is Steve-O...

Maybe we need a missing persons thread for lost forum members, where are they, what happened to them and will they ever come back?

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over 6 years ago

Bit off the main topic but the J-League looks very fun. Good crowds

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over 6 years ago

Doloras wrote:

HZA wrote:

I miss Steve-O. He was miserable and negative, but only when there was really something to be miserable and negative about.

Funny, I recall him being miserable and negative about every fudgeing thing

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

That's because when nothing bad was happening, he just stayed away


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over 6 years ago

But he has struggled to replicate that goal-scoring form upon his return to the top-flight, going 17 consecutive games without scoring in 2019.


Bit of a worry

a.haak

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over 6 years ago

I just reaallllly struggle to get on board with these types of signings. Hasn't really scored goals for a couple of years and now he's gone up to J1 can't score at all. 

Surely there's a Championship side or something somewhere with a prolific striker who wants to wind down his career and come to beautiful Wellington? Haha.

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over 6 years ago

I have a feeling that this Japanese lad, if signed, will prove to be of similar value to Stein Heysegums at the time he was here.  In other words, a good journeyman who will provide a level of goals quantity wise at about pass mark level but no higher than that and wont set the league on fire.

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over 6 years ago

Stein had/has a significantly better CV than this fella though.

a.haak

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over 6 years ago

Just got confirmation that Varas' club denied his release due to two of their other strikers getting injured. Takasaki looks to be our number one target now

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 6 years ago

stein could not head the ball


Auckland will rise once more

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

stein could not head the ball

He couldn't, but he was still one of our best import strikers imo :)

a.haak

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over 6 years ago

valeo wrote:

stein could not head the ball

He couldn't, but he was still one of our best import strikers imo :)

Well that's an interesting question, I thought.

Though I thought we only did not-a-strikers


I can't think of more than five genuine import No 9 or 10 strikers; 

Krishna, Kalu, Greenacre, Dadi, and Stein 

(did I miss anyone? see note on other players at end of post)

I'd put Kaluderovic (9 goals in 22 appearances) ahead of Stein (15 in 48) 

(and think we'd have got much more out of Kalu, but for the coaching disaster).

I think possibly I'd also put both Dadi and Greenacre ahead of Stein, and definitely Krishna.  

So I'd rate Stein more like 4th or 5th out of five. 

Stein just struck me as a neat and tidy plodder. 

Greenacre did more work, though had a lower scoring rate at 19 from 84, 

Dadi scored five goals in 10 appearances including 5 as sub.  And was a lot more entertaining (good and bad, who'd forget that bicycle kick and the penalty miss).

vs Stein's 15 in 48 on one foot and without a head

Just an opinion

And Smeltz (not an import) (28 in 60) in another league ahead of all of them except the later era of Krishna (33 from 98).

I think of Sarpong, Totori, Cunningham and Ifill as more wider players than genuine No 9 or 10 strikers, yes?

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over 6 years ago

If you think of 'striker' as anyone playing in the final third, than the list grows considerably and Stein would definitely be in the top half of that list

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over 6 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

valeo wrote:

stein could not head the ball

He couldn't, but he was still one of our best import strikers imo :)

Well that's an interesting question, I thought.

Though I thought we only did not-a-strikers

I can't think of more than five genuine import No 9 or 10 strikers; 

Krishna, Kalu, Greenacre, Dadi, and Stein 

(did I miss anyone? see note on other players at end of post)

I'd put Kaluderovic (9 goals in 22 appearances) ahead of Stein (15 in 48) 

(and think we'd have got much more out of Kalu, but for the coaching disaster).

I think possibly I'd also put both Dadi and Greenacre ahead of Stein, and definitely Krishna.  

So I'd rate Stein more like 4th or 5th out of five. 

Stein just struck me as a neat and tidy plodder. 

Greenacre did more work, though had a lower scoring rate at 19 from 84, 

Dadi scored five goals in 10 appearances including 5 as sub.  And was a lot more entertaining (good and bad, who'd forget that bicycle kick and the penalty miss).

vs Stein's 15 in 48 on one foot and without a head

Just an opinion

And Smeltz (not an import) (28 in 60) in another league ahead of all of them except the later era of Krishna (33 from 98).

I think of Sarpong, Totori, Cunningham and Ifill as more wider players than genuine No 9 or 10 strikers, yes?

Agree pretty much with your assessment. Perhaps only one missing is Sheridan. Ricardo Clarke in the not-a-striker category?

It really does seem to be hard to attract a international strikers. 

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over 6 years ago

valeo wrote:

But he has struggled to replicate that goal-scoring form upon his return to the top-flight, going 17 consecutive games without scoring in 2019.


Bit of a worry

Nah.

We got a lot of quick, forward facing players: Ball, Devlin, Davilla, Piscopo, McCowatt, Waine, Sotirio, heck even add Libby and Louis in there. This guy looks like a good back to goal link up player, with some goal threat.

I like it. 



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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

liberty_nz wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

valeo wrote:

stein could not head the ball

He couldn't, but he was still one of our best import strikers imo :)

Well that's an interesting question, I thought.

Though I thought we only did not-a-strikers

I can't think of more than five genuine import No 9 or 10 strikers; 

Krishna, Kalu, Greenacre, Dadi, and Stein 

(did I miss anyone? see note on other players at end of post)

I'd put Kaluderovic (9 goals in 22 appearances) ahead of Stein (15 in 48) 

(and think we'd have got much more out of Kalu, but for the coaching disaster).

I think possibly I'd also put both Dadi and Greenacre ahead of Stein, and definitely Krishna.  

So I'd rate Stein more like 4th or 5th out of five. 

Stein just struck me as a neat and tidy plodder. 

Greenacre did more work, though had a lower scoring rate at 19 from 84, 

Dadi scored five goals in 10 appearances including 5 as sub.  And was a lot more entertaining (good and bad, who'd forget that bicycle kick and the penalty miss).

vs Stein's 15 in 48 on one foot and without a head

Just an opinion

And Smeltz (not an import) (28 in 60) in another league ahead of all of them except the later era of Krishna (33 from 98).

I think of Sarpong, Totori, Cunningham and Ifill as more wider players than genuine No 9 or 10 strikers, yes?

Agree pretty much with your assessment. Perhaps only one missing is Sheridan. Ricardo Clarke in the not-a-striker category?

It really does seem to be hard to attract a international strikers. 

The average weekly salary per league is reportedly (I can't validate the googled source):

EPL £51000

Championship £11000

League One £2300

League Two £1100

Multiply by two and you get an understanding about one of the barriers to getting high quality imports.  A good League 1 striker will earn somewhere north of NZ$230,000 per annum.

Typhoon Tim
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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

Typhoon wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

valeo wrote:

stein could not head the ball

He couldn't, but he was still one of our best import strikers imo :)

Well that's an interesting question, I thought.

Though I thought we only did not-a-strikers

I can't think of more than five genuine import No 9 or 10 strikers; 

Krishna, Kalu, Greenacre, Dadi, and Stein 

(did I miss anyone? see note on other players at end of post)

I'd put Kaluderovic (9 goals in 22 appearances) ahead of Stein (15 in 48) 

(and think we'd have got much more out of Kalu, but for the coaching disaster).

I think possibly I'd also put both Dadi and Greenacre ahead of Stein, and definitely Krishna.  

So I'd rate Stein more like 4th or 5th out of five. 

Stein just struck me as a neat and tidy plodder. 

Greenacre did more work, though had a lower scoring rate at 19 from 84, 

Dadi scored five goals in 10 appearances including 5 as sub.  And was a lot more entertaining (good and bad, who'd forget that bicycle kick and the penalty miss).

vs Stein's 15 in 48 on one foot and without a head

Just an opinion

And Smeltz (not an import) (28 in 60) in another league ahead of all of them except the later era of Krishna (33 from 98).

I think of Sarpong, Totori, Cunningham and Ifill as more wider players than genuine No 9 or 10 strikers, yes?

Agree pretty much with your assessment. Perhaps only one missing is Sheridan. Ricardo Clarke in the not-a-striker category?

It really does seem to be hard to attract a international strikers. 

The average weekly salary per league is reportedly (I can't validate the googled source):

EPL £51000

Championship £11000

League One £2300

League Two £1100

Multiply by two and you get an understanding about one of the barriers to getting high quality imports.  A good League 1 striker will earn somewhere north of NZ$230,000 per annum.

$230k salary isn't much of a barrier for us if they are good enough, at any time I'd expect we'd have players on more than that given the salary floor is currently 2.9 million.

The thing is though, if a striker is going great in League One, is reliable, a good age, not plagued with injuries etc, they have a fair chance of being able to push to play into the Championship or other high paying places that is even harder to compete with. Someone isn't usually going to come here if their career is going swell, unless they are at an age where they want to move on, like Ifill, Taylor. 

Also, League One teams have recently been outbidding the likes of Rangers & Celtic to players, so there is some big money floating around in that league that even there we can't match.

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over 6 years ago

I don't think Stein was a striker, even if he was often used as one. More naturally suited to being a wide forward or attacking mid IMO

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

I don't think Stein was a striker, even if he was often used as one. More naturally suited to being a wide forward or attacking mid IMO

Wide forward forced more centrally by a knee injury and a resulting lack of pace.



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over 6 years ago

the thoughts of him in japan are that he is passed it

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over 6 years ago

like Paul Ifill was supposed to be?

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over 6 years ago

Is the foreign player limit 4 + 1 AFC player or is it just 5 foreigners max?

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over 6 years ago

HZA wrote:

like Paul Ifill was supposed to be?

Even if Ifill was supposed to be past it, he still had EPL and high level experience. 

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over 6 years ago

The Japanese league is far quicker and more technical than the A League though. He may now be better suited to this league

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

first post for maybe a year . What's the latest . can't be bothered reading all 2500 posts i've missed :) . Anyone other than a used jap striker on the cards before 15 oct ???

Sorry in advance 

Also looking forward to our first game !!!!!!!!!

Edit : Where is the " Where's chefmivec " thread ? i was worried some of you might have missed me hehehe

I LOVE LAMP

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over 6 years ago

texwell wrote:

Is the foreign player limit 4 + 1 AFC player or is it just 5 foreigners max?

It's never been 4+1.

It's just 5

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over 6 years ago

Japanese imports are awesome until you need to use the GPS

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 6 years ago

Degenerate wrote:

texwell wrote:

Is the foreign player limit 4 + 1 AFC player or is it just 5 foreigners max?

It's never been 4+1.

It's just 5

Surely though 4 + 1 and 5 are the same thing?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 6 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Degenerate wrote:

texwell wrote:

Is the foreign player limit 4 + 1 AFC player or is it just 5 foreigners max?

It's never been 4+1.

It's just 5

Surely though 4 + 1 and 5 are the same thing?

nope, 5 imports from anywhere is current, I think the 4(from anywhere)+1 (AFC) was talked about last season or the season before as an options going forward.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 6 years ago

Would it be fair to say that getting a signing by week's end is now looking unlikely?

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over 6 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Degenerate wrote:

texwell wrote:

Is the foreign player limit 4 + 1 AFC player or is it just 5 foreigners max?

It's never been 4+1.

It's just 5

Surely though 4 + 1 and 5 are the same thing?

Can you prove it?



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over 6 years ago

Jazzy Jeff wrote:

The Japanese league is far quicker and more technical than the A League though. He may now be better suited to this league

J2 isn't.

a.haak

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over 6 years ago

aparently clayton lewis is all but done. Reliable sauce

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over 6 years ago

excellent

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over 6 years ago

valeo wrote:

Jazzy Jeff wrote:

The Japanese league is far quicker and more technical than the A League though. He may now be better suited to this league

J2 isn't.

not saying it's a better league, but Japanese football as a football culture is based on speed and technical ability. There have been a lot of plodders in the A League who arent technically blessed but have managed to carve out a decent a league career
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 6 years ago

Churchill wrote:

aparently clayton lewis is all but done. Reliable sauce

Glad we picked him up, we've got a lot of depth now

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over 6 years ago

Geez, can't remeber a season where we've had so much depth and Kiwi depth at that!!!

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over 6 years ago

Jazzy Jeff wrote:

valeo wrote:

Jazzy Jeff wrote:

The Japanese league is far quicker and more technical than the A League though. He may now be better suited to this league

J2 isn't.

not saying it's a better league, but Japanese football as a football culture is based on speed and technical ability. There have been a lot of plodders in the A League who arent technically blessed but have managed to carve out a decent a league career

 

Maybe he's not amazing, but he's got a different skill-set to what we got. And we're a week out.



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